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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
Question on parliamentary procedure:

We have a good system where Board members are invited to participate in verbal discussions at each Board meeting and we can discuss things as a group before making a decision. We have one Board member who appears to be uncomfortable expressing vocal dissent, but does get on his keyboard a few days later and expresses his dissent post-meeting. I find he is very comfortable sharing his opinion via keyboard, not comfortable via voice in real time. He speaks just fine, he just appears to be shy, uncomfortable, or unwilling to disagree in person.

Should we modify our parliamentary procedure in any fashion to be more inclusive of this board member?
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Does this director vote when called upon?

If so, then I would ignore his post-meeting unlawful discussion (because it is outside a properly noticed board meeting). I believe you may have reminded him once already that discussion by law must happen at the properly noticed board meetings.

Or you can be a teddy bear (seriously) and gently remind said director that you are going to follow the law; comply with your duties as presiding officer; entertain discussion only at the open board meeting; and note that the vote already occurred. Ask him if there's anything you can do so he is, say, more comfortable speaking at an open board meeting.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Unlawful......says who......you?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It sounds like he's not willing to disagree in person because someone else will contradict what he says - and then he'll actually have to justify his position. That's not always easy when you haven't applied careful thought to the issue and a little back and forth will bring that out quickly.

You don't need to modify your procedure - he needs to learn to speak up and I realize public speaking is terrifying to a lot of people (my mother had me take drama classes when I was a kid to bring me out of my shell - and now I refuse to shut up!)

Anyway, you may have to call on him and pull out the information. One way for him to get over the hump is for the president to remind everyone they're welcome to disagree with any issue, just behave like an adult and lose the name calling, bellowing and cuss words. this applies to everyone and perhaps he'll be more inclined to say what he thinks at the meeting.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
This has nothing to do with parliamentary procedure, MichaelT and I think you know that. This is a question I think you've asked previously?

anyhoo, perhaps you can ask him by name to speak first on an agenda item.

When. he sends his disagreement via email (to all directors?), remind him that there was discussion time on the topic AT the meeting and that is the only time any director may make remarks about an agenda item. Remind him he may vote no. Although not required, if he'd be more comfortable, inform him he may have his BRIEF reason for voting no placed in the meeting minutes. This might help. If able to state his reason(s), I don't think he'd even try to complain the next day as he's on record.

Alternatively, and here's where Robert's does come in handy. Say, "if you feel the Board neglected an important point or that you have new information to cast doubt on the decision we made, place the following on the next agenda: 'Request to rescind the decision made on xx/xx/xxx concerning forbidding water balloons in the parks.'"

Then, at the meeting, he makes a motion to rescind that decision. the Board votes and if th majority say yes, the decision is rescinded. If no, it is not. If yes, , he makes a new motion as an alternative if he wishes on that topic., etc. since he agenda item was already prevuulsy decided, this item to rescind would be under New Business.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Michael,

Is the drama you appear to have in your Association real, perceived or created?
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
Our Board has an understanding that if you do not agree with a vote and have voted against what was proposed, then the expectation is that voicing your view outside of the board meeting is not acceptable.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Once a BOD votes and approves an action, the entire BOD should pull together and make it happen to the best of their ability. Tell the dissenter he had a chance to be heard at the BOD and remind him that he opted not to speak.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
No need to modify anything, unless your style of arriving at a decision is to steamroll opposing thoughts/views or you are not being totally truthful with how your decision-making actually occurs.

Let all Board Members know that if there is an agenda item for decision, then discussion and debate happens at the meeting prior to the decision being made. If the amount of discussion, debate, and/or info presented is insufficient to make the best, most informed decision (in the opinions of enough Board Members), then decision on the item can be tabled until the next meeting. Board Members can research and think about their position prior to the subsequent meeting and then discussion and debate may happen again at that meeting prior to the decision being made.

Once the item is officially brought up for decision, then a vote is taken that determines the Board's decision. While a decision was reached, the same item could be brought up again at a subsequent meeting for reconsideration and re-decision (and this should be allowed); however, this should be the exception and not the norm, and if the same decision is arrived at, then any dissenting Board Member(s) should take that as a sign that their opinion is not shared by others and they should let it go.

I do have a feeling though that your process probably doesn't go exactly as described. You likely bring up some random item for decision out of the blue and catch everyone off guard. You generate an elaborate presentation of the item in an attempt to steer everyone in the direction you want things to go. You don't allow enough time for different/opposing thoughts, ideas, opinions to be generated or discussed. Most of your Board Members are probably content with you having done all the work, making their decision easy, and allowing them to vote and move on the next thing. But there is probably this one Board Member (who you have referenced before similarly) that doesn't think all of your ideas are great and need to be implemented. However, since he's not really given enough time prior to the decision being made to formulate his own thoughts, opinions, and proposal, the only way he may have enough time to formulate and present thoughts is to do so after the meeting where the decision was forced through. You've pegged him as this 'post-meeting dissenter' where really he's probably one of the only real-thinkers on your Board, he just can't compete during meeting with your powerpoints. Further, as you are the 'keeper of the agenda', you likely don't allow an item that was already decided (because the decision was what you wanted) to be added again to the agenda and reconsidered.
(Or maybe I'm way off base.)
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ND on 11/21/2022 5:35 AM

I do have a feeling though that your process probably doesn't go exactly as described. You likely bring up some random item for decision out of the blue and catch everyone off guard. You generate an elaborate presentation of the item in an attempt to steer everyone in the direction you want things to go. You don't allow enough time for different/opposing thoughts, ideas, opinions to be generated or discussed. Most of your Board Members are probably content with you having done all the work, making their decision easy, and allowing them to vote and move on the next thing. But there is probably this one Board Member (who you have referenced before similarly) that doesn't think all of your ideas are great and need to be implemented. However, since he's not really given enough time prior to the decision being made to formulate his own thoughts, opinions, and proposal, the only way he may have enough time to formulate and present thoughts is to do so after the meeting where the decision was forced through. You've pegged him as this 'post-meeting dissenter' where really he's probably one of the only real-thinkers on your Board, he just can't compete during meeting with your powerpoints. Further, as you are the 'keeper of the agenda', you likely don't allow an item that was already decided (because the decision was what you wanted) to be added again to the agenda and reconsidered.
(Or maybe I'm way off base.)

I'm sure some feel that way.

To help eliminate the feelings that you describe, I've been asked (and do comply) with sending out my powerpoint presentation a week in advance so folks can read through it, think about the decisions and discussions, and be prepared. Most don't spend much time looking at it, but I agree it's a more fair way.

Fairness, transparency, and inclusiveness are my goals, so anything that I can do to help foster good discussion and banter, including people opposed to ideas that I'm presenting, is something that I am in favor of.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Since you do allow agenda items to be added AT the open meeting, MichaelT, ND's point that some might be sort of blindsided is possible.

Also note that ND & I both point out this Monday-AM dissenter can put the item back on the next agenda to "rescind" it as detailed in my above.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
I think the reality is that a Board member who is blindsided simply needs to speak at the meeting "I need additional time to think about this; can we discuss next meeting". If enough topics are tabled for a future meeting, it will be clear that better advance notice is needed.

Rather, the uncomfortable board member votes in favor of the situation because it seems like the path of least confrontation, and then expresses dissent via e-mail 2 weeks later.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So....you've received a lot of sound advice. What do you think you'll do next time he so tardily dissents??
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 11/21/2022 10:14 AM
So....you've received a lot of sound advice. What do you think you'll do next time he so tardily dissents??

Ignore him when he writes via e-mail.

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