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RussL1 (Minnesota)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Good Afternoon,

I work for a company that manages over 230 Homeowner Associations in the Twin Cities, Minnesota which correlates to a little over 10,000 homes.. The reason why I am posting this is because I am trying to gather as much information as I possibly can about utilities being disconnected in the cold weather climates.

Because of the large amount of foreclosures in today's Real Estate market many homeowners are moving out of their homes without notice and many times their electricity or gas gets disconnected. When this happens it becomes a problem for the HOA because many of the townhomes are connected by party or common walls. If the electricity or gas gets disconnected and the association doesn't know it was disconnected it becomes a problem because it could cause damage to that home and the surrounding homes if there is a break in the water lines.

I spoke with the local Minnesota utility companies and they informed me that the MN Cold Weather Rule allows homeowners who fill out the application to be allowed a variance and they are able to continue using their heat source from Nov 15-April 15. The problem we are running into is that the homeowners with the water pipes freezing and causing damage are also the homeowners that have abandoned their home. If the application is not submitted then the utility companies have the right to disconnect after a series of disconnection notices.

Any help I could get would be very helpful. Even if it's pointing me in a different direction that would be excellent. We are truly trying to look out for our homeowners in the associations we manage.

I also have contacted my representative for the House & Senate but they are currently out of the office for the holidays. I'm also currently working with a rep from Community Association Institute.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated,

Russ Lis
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Going way back to our state's first major real estate depression in the late '70's, we did a couple of things which worked, but I'm not sure if they worked because of the times or because they were legal. We sent a certified letter to the power company stating that turning the gas/electric off to any unit in the [association] without first notifying us and ascertaining that the water to that unit had been turned off first, could result in damage to an adjoining unit for which they would be held accountable. We then put a small tag on all outside gas meters saying pretty much the same thing. Since this was before cell phones, the utility workers couldn't contact a supervisor immediately so they usually didn't shut off the gas/electric. I'm not sure about the legality of any of this, we were just trying to bluff our way through and it apparently worked as they usually called us after seeing the tag and we quickly shut off the water. You can check with an attorney to see about their liability to adjoining units. I would think that their service agreement with the unit they are shutting off would absolve them of any liability for damage to the unit being shut down, but I really don't see how they can duck responsibility for an action which damages other units.

Joe

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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Public Utrility disconnects.

To me this sounds like a huge problem and it is commendable for the concern shown.

I wopnder if the Local TV might be interested in this, it is obviously bigger than the association you manage. It seems it would be a public service to warn folks of this problem. It won't work on everyone but it would have some effect.
RussL1 (Minnesota)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank You both for your responses. It's funny that you said in the 70's you were putting stickers on the meters because that's actually something we have been considering.

I like the idea of contacting local media outlets and I also feel it would benefit not only our associations but homeowners in other associations that we do not manage.

I look forward to anyone else ideas and I do appreciate your reccomendations as well.

Thank You.

Russ
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Russ:

Contacting the local media won't really help your cause. As you stated these homes that are being disconnected are being done because of nonpayment and homes being abandoned.

I too even here in NC have experienced several homes water pipes that have ruptured due to the cold snaps we have had here. Fortunately for us, they have been single family homes and the water department had to come and repair the breaks.

However in townhomes or condo's I can appreciate your post that they become a problem for the homeowner below or next door. I like Joe's suggestion, as well as perhaps contacting your local Mayor and or City Counsel Members to see how they can help during the cold months.

Perhaps a letter to the utility companies that services your area asking them for assistance or advise can add to your list of possibilities.

Any way good luck to you and stay warm!
BobS10 (Connecticut)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Russ, as I sit here looking over my packet of items for discussion at tonight's board meeting and I look at the weather forecast, (next week wind chills below zero) I am wondering about this same issue. I certainly will be bringing this up tonight.
Sorry, that doesn't help you but please keep us all posted on any solutions you come up with.
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