💬 Join us to post & get advice from 50,000 HOA & Condo leaders.

Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in

BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
We have an owner who may be interested in installing solar roof panels. This is the first request for review for solar panels in our small townhome community. The HOA is responsible for maintenance of the roofs which are about 18 years old. Also, everyone currently uses gas for heat and water heaters so the electric bill would be small in the winter.

We are open to listening and learning about solar. According to Google Project Sunroof https://sunroof.withgoogle.com/ there is a 14-year break even timeframe for the address if panels are purchased. I do not know if the owner plans to buy or lease the panels at this point.

Does anyone have rules or guidelines for solar roof panels in the townhome HOA that they can share? Do owners need extra insurance for the panels? Our concerns are 4 people sharing a roof, the Board’s roof repair/replacement responsibility, and community acceptance to a project. (Roof replacements planned in about 5 years).

Any advice would be appreciated.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
With four units under one roof and the association responsible for roof maintenance/replacement my answer would be nothing goes on the roof.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
My first blush at this is that it would be an HOA owned feature rather than a homeowner owned feature. I am not sure if each unit is billed for electricity separately, but if so, I am not sure how there would be any ROI for the association.

If billed separately and installed by an owner, I would say that each owner gets equal roof rights, so one owner can use 100% of the roof for something that benefits only their unit.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Since the roof is controlled by the HOA, I would have a legal document drawn up and attached to their deed (making it a deed restriction) specifying:

1) Owner is responsible for any damage to roof caused by installation/removal of solar panels and associated wiring.
2) Owner is responsible to pay for the removal and re-installation of panels when deemed necessary for the HOA to maintain/repair/replace the roof.
3) panels for unit may not be installed outside of the foot print of the unit on the roof.
BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Sounds like great advice. Do you know if the solar company puts a deed restriction on if owner leases the panels?
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
I don't feel there is enough real estate on the roof for all residents to use solar PV. This should not be a for one only. I would deny the ARC request.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:

First, Brenda, see what your state and municipality'sBuilding Dept. require if anything. In CA, for instance, assn. board must permit Owners of units or townhomes (or detached homes) to install solar on roofs even if common area or limited uses common area. As you can imagine there are many hoops to jump through and the expense to the Owner who wants it is considerable.

When our Board first caught wind of a townhome owner with a common area roof maybe wanting solar, we had our HOA attorney guide us. And his guidelines come from CA Civil code which contains a lot. Tim's good points are just starters.

I would take a look at Davis-stirling.com. "Common Area Roofs & Carports." "Members have the right to install solar energy panels on a common area roof of the building in which the owner resides, or a garage or carport adjacent to the building that has been assigned to the owner for exclusive use. Per Civil Code § 714.1 and § 4746, the following guidelines apply:..." Even though for Calif., it can give you a fine idea of what you'd probably have to go through.

After our assn. paying for th attorney's advice on this, we have good documents, guidelines etc. and the owner declined to pursue it. So I think you want to see what info you cn get cheaply

As usual, JohnC & LetA seem to think that their own documents or their own state laws apply everywhere. They do not.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrendaP3 on 11/08/2022 2:38 PM
Sounds like great advice. Do you know if the solar company puts a deed restriction on if owner leases the panels?

No idea.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Bad idea if roof will be replaced soon because of cost to remove and then reattach panels. NC law allows solar to be denied if on front of roof. Pretty sure you can't deny if on rear or side

vis ta vie
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WendyM5 on 11/09/2022 12:30 AM
Bad idea if roof will be replaced soon because of cost to remove and then reattach panels. NC law allows solar to be denied if on front of roof. Pretty sure you can't deny if on rear or side

From what I read this only applies to single family homes.
BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
I looked up NC statue for this -N.C.G.S.22B-20 Deed restrictions and other agreements prohibiting solar collectors.

It appears for HOAs responsible for maintaining building exteriors, solar devices cannot be restricted entirely.

For townhomes -

If an owners' association is responsible for exterior maintenance of a structure containing individual residences, a deed restriction, covenant, or similar binding agreement that runs with the land may provide that

(i) the title owner of the residence shall be responsible for all damages caused by the installation, existence, or removal of solar collectors.

(ii) the title owner of the residence shall hold harmless and indemnify the owners' association for any damages caused by the installation, existence, or removal of solar collectors; and

(iii) the owners' association shall not be responsible for maintenance, repair, replacement, or removal of solar collectors unless expressly agreed in a written agreement that is recorded in the office of the register of deeds in the county or counties in which the property is situated.

AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrendaP3 on 11/09/2022 6:16 AM
I looked up NC statue for this -N.C.G.S.22B-20 Deed restrictions and other agreements prohibiting solar collectors.

It appears for HOAs responsible for maintaining building exteriors, solar devices cannot be restricted entirely.

For townhomes -

If an owners' association is responsible for exterior maintenance of a structure containing individual residences, a deed restriction, covenant, or similar binding agreement that runs with the land may provide that

(i) the title owner of the residence shall be responsible for all damages caused by the installation, existence, or removal of solar collectors.

(ii) the title owner of the residence shall hold harmless and indemnify the owners' association for any damages caused by the installation, existence, or removal of solar collectors; and

(iii) the owners' association shall not be responsible for maintenance, repair, replacement, or removal of solar collectors unless expressly agreed in a written agreement that is recorded in the office of the register of deeds in the county or counties in which the property is situated.

AFAIC, this is great work by BrendaP3. I was wondering about this. I think she nailed the relevant statute.

For townhomes where which roof serves which unit is clear, and given what seem to be unabating changes in weather patterns, I wonder if the best approach would be to try to amend the covenants to assign responsibility for a unit's roof maintenance to the owner of the unit that the roof serves. Or if the townhomes are set up building by building, assign roof maintenance responsibility to the owners of the building. This could lead to inconsistencies in appearance. But I opine these are unusual times which the covenants naturally could not anticipate.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
In addition to Tim's suggestions for the legal document, you may also want to require professional installation by a vendor who has the necessary licenses and insurance. You don't want an uninsured homeowner who provides no warranties or guarantees climbing around on the roof.

You should also talk to the association's insurance agent and see what sort of new liability issues may arise. FWIW our CC&Rs have a statement that prohibits any modifications to a unit that will change the insurance profile of the community. Something like solar panels would be a no-go in my community, although we're condos which makes a difference.

And while I'm at it, it would be interesting to know how solar panels will affect the remaining useful life of the roof. One homeowner probably wouldn't throw off the reserve study too much, but if many of them decide they want solar panels, it may make a difference.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 11/09/2022 6:45 AM
Posted By BrendaP3 on 11/09/2022 6:16 AM
I looked up NC statue for this -N.C.G.S.22B-20 Deed restrictions and other agreements prohibiting solar collectors.

It appears for HOAs responsible for maintaining building exteriors, solar devices cannot be restricted entirely.

For townhomes -

If an owners' association is responsible for exterior maintenance of a structure containing individual residences, a deed restriction, covenant, or similar binding agreement that runs with the land may provide that

(i) the title owner of the residence shall be responsible for all damages caused by the installation, existence, or removal of solar collectors.

(ii) the title owner of the residence shall hold harmless and indemnify the owners' association for any damages caused by the installation, existence, or removal of solar collectors; and

(iii) the owners' association shall not be responsible for maintenance, repair, replacement, or removal of solar collectors unless expressly agreed in a written agreement that is recorded in the office of the register of deeds in the county or counties in which the property is situated.

AFAIC, this is great work by BrendaP3. I was wondering about this. I think she nailed the relevant statute.

For townhomes where which roof serves which unit is clear, and given what seem to be unabating changes in weather patterns, I wonder if the best approach would be to try to amend the covenants to assign responsibility for a unit's roof maintenance to the owner of the unit that the roof serves. Or if the townhomes are set up building by building, assign roof maintenance responsibility to the owners of the building. This could lead to inconsistencies in appearance. But I opine these are unusual times which the covenants naturally could not anticipate.

I can see it now. 4 side by side townhomes with different color roofs and a fight occurring as to which roof caused leaks. A horror show.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 11/09/2022 3:03 PM
AFAIC, this is great work by BrendaP3. I was wondering about this. I think she nailed the relevant statute.

For townhomes where which roof serves which unit is clear, and given what seem to be unabating changes in weather patterns, I wonder if the best approach would be to try to amend the covenants to assign responsibility for a unit's roof maintenance to the owner of the unit that the roof serves. Or if the townhomes are set up building by building, assign roof maintenance responsibility to the owners of the building. This could lead to inconsistencies in appearance. But I opine these are unusual times which the covenants naturally could not anticipate.


I can see it now. 4 side by side townhomes with different color roofs and a fight occurring as to which roof caused leaks. A horror show.
The HOA could decree the roof color.

Regarding leaks, with multiple owners having solar panels: It's going to be one horror show or another. If the HOA owners can amends the covenants to offload roof responsibility to individual buildings, the board does not have to deal with it.

Changing weather patterns = all matter of horror shows.

Florida is facing another hurricane. We have members here at HOATalk that are still dealing with conflict over hurricane damage that happened several years ago.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Technology is rapidly changing. How old is your roof? When does your reserve study call for the roof to be replaced?

I would hold out until the roof needs to be replaced and look into roof tiles that are PV tiles. Then you can include everyone possibly. For that
you would have to consult a PV specialist.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
You need to take into consideration the construction of the four roofs. Are they actually four separate roofs or are they constructed as one roof with some fire protection in between? If a leak happens, you need to be able to trace it. If the roofs are conjoined, the leak may happen on the far right roof but show up in the ceiling of the home on the far left. Water travels along the beams. It can be a real nightmare.

We have duplexes with a shared roof that are titled as single family homes. This leak issue happens all the time - unit on right actually has the leak but unit on left has the damage.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You've received some great advice here - listening and learning about the pros and cons is a great first step. In fact, if your one owner is interested in solar panels, I'd probably require HIM/HER to do all the initial research for the board's review. I expect a solar company to talk up the project, but some of the issues noted here (e.g. how will this impact the HOA's master insurance policy) need to be addressed before you do anything.

Once you get the initial information, you'll also need to understand that the laws may change and change again, so for now, I'd take LetA's suggestion and start doing the research now and then make a decision in five years when the roofs are going to be replaced anyway. It may be others will want solar panels, but if installation means a big hike in the roof replacement costs, that may warrant a special assessment (and all the drama that goes with that).

For now, I would deny the request because this isn't about one person's section of roof - I live in a townhouse community and certain exterior changes can affect everyone, which is why prior authorization by the board is warranted. If this homeowner wants the board to pursue this, let him or her come up with the information that will sway you AND the rest of the homeowners. That would be a great topic for a special homeowners meeting.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 11/10/2022 7:40 AM
In fact, if your one owner is interested in solar panels, I'd probably require HIM/HER to do all the initial research for the board's review.
I am going to be curmudgeonly here. I think an owner that wants a solar panel will prevaricate to his/her heart's delight and possibly have a vendor (eager to be paid by the owner for a solar project) assist him/her in this prevarication.

In this day and age where some states are requiring HOAs/COAs to permit solar panels on roofs, regardless of who has maintenance responsibility for the roof, I think boards are stuck with asking the HOA/COA attorney to come up with a set of guidelines. This will undoubtedly require also hiring a civil engineer or other professional. Who pays the cost of the attorney and technical professional, especially when these costs will not repeat for every owner?

I am pondering.

This forum has seen at least one person in recent months aggressively pursue and demand HOA permission for a solar panel. This was partly due to the owner wanting to qualify for some kind of credit that was set to expire. In this recent instance, IIRC the board resisted, perhaps being due to overwhelmed. But the Board eventually caved. I believe the person who posted here felt it was a major triumph. I thought he was a major, stuck-up ass---- who would never consider all the work these volunteer directors do and the implications down the road of more and more owners putting solar panels on HOA-owned roofs.

I say with townhomes (and recognizing the problems with electricity these days, due to changing weather patterns and more in some parts of the country): Amend the governing documents a.s.a.p. and shove the responsibility for the roofs onto the owners of the respective buildings.
BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Lots of great advice. I'm going to contact the HOA insurance company today. I agree that the owner should do all the initial research. The Board is open to learning the pros and cons. We do not know at this point if we can legally deny the request. A special homeowners meeting may be in the future.

You are right about the laws changing. There was an important ruling in NC this summer.

June 2022 - Belmont v. Farwig ruled in favor of the homeowners

The North Carolina Supreme Court ruled that HOA provisions granting broad discretionary authority to architectural review committees cannot be used to prohibit the installation of solar panels.

The court also affirmed that the HOA’s architectural review committee could not limit the location of solar panels to the back of the home, in situations where installing panels in the back would prevent the reasonable use of the solar panels due to roof orientation.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrendaP3 on 11/10/2022 8:54 AM
Lots of great advice. I'm going to contact the HOA insurance company today. I agree that the owner should do all the initial research. The Board is open to learning the pros and cons. We do not know at this point if we can legally deny the request. A special homeowners meeting may be in the future.

You are right about the laws changing. There was an important ruling in NC this summer.

June 2022 - Belmont v. Farwig ruled in favor of the homeowners

The North Carolina Supreme Court ruled that HOA provisions granting broad discretionary authority to architectural review committees cannot be used to prohibit the installation of solar panels.

The court also affirmed that the HOA’s architectural review committee could not limit the location of solar panels to the back of the home, in situations where installing panels in the back would prevent the reasonable use of the solar panels due to roof orientation.
Whoa whoa whoa. The Belmont v. Farwig decision involved single family houses on separate lots, where the owners had the maintenance responsibility for the roofs.

By contrast, your HOA has the maintenance responsibility for the roofs.

You now are adding specificity to your query here. Namely, could your townhome community flat-out deny the request? This forum would need more information about your HOA to see where your HOA lands in the context of NC statutes § 22B-20

For example:

Is your HOA subject to Chapter 47A or 47C of the NC General Statutes? If so, then it's possible your HOA can prohibit solar panels on roofs.

Would the roof-top solar panels face common area? If so, then it's possible your HOA can lawfully prohibit solar panels.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Brenda

Along with what Aug said. There is a major difference between private, stand alone homes and a row of townhomes or even a duplex sharing a singular roof of which the association is responsible for.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 11/10/2022 8:24

I am going to be curmudgeonly here. I think an owner that wants a solar panel will prevaricate to his/her heart's delight and possibly have a vendor (eager to be paid by the owner for a solar project) assist him/her in this prevarication.

In this day and age where some states are requiring HOAs/COAs to permit solar panels on roofs, regardless of who has maintenance responsibility for the roof, I think boards are stuck with asking the HOA/COA attorney to come up with a set of guidelines. This will undoubtedly require also hiring a civil engineer or other professional. Who pays the cost of the attorney and technical professional, especially when these costs will not repeat for every owner?

I am pondering.

This forum has seen at least one person in recent months aggressively pursue and demand HOA permission for a solar panel. This was partly due to the owner wanting to qualify for some kind of credit that was set to expire. In this recent instance, IIRC the board resisted, perhaps being due to overwhelmed. But the Board eventually caved. I believe the person who posted here felt it was a major triumph. I thought he was a major, stuck-up ass---- who would never consider all the work these volunteer directors do and the implications down the road of more and more owners putting solar panels on HOA-owned roofs.

I say with townhomes (and recognizing the problems with electricity these days, due to changing weather patterns and more in some parts of the country): Amend the governing documents a.s.a.p. and shove the responsibility for the roofs onto the owners of the respective buildings.

And since they ARE townhouse, I can just imagine the scenerio John described with buildings that have panels and some not, not to mention the ensuing drama when something goes haywire and affects more than the solar owner's section of roof and now his/her neighbors are compelled to help pay for repairs they didn't cause and neither did Mother Nature. Too much damned drama for me.

I know there have been all sorts of battles in this state about solar panels and the legislature passed a law that does some of what you described (don't remember all the details, sorry). However, I suspect they had detached single family homes on the brain and no one has thought about the implications for townhouse communities.

Sometimes one really needs to apply careful thought to the process and I fully expect this owner was persuaded by the solar company (they're trying to sell the things, so why wouldn't they?) But as everyone has said there may be a ton of unintended consequences no one's thought about and since roofs are usually considered common area everyone's responsible for, they need to know what they're getting into. This isn't the same as getting approved for a garage door or patio fence.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 11/10/2022 1:32 PM
I know there have been all sorts of battles in this state about solar panels and the legislature passed a law that does some of what you described (don't remember all the details, sorry). However, I suspect they had detached single family homes on the brain and no one has thought about the implications for townhouse communities.
It seems to me that California, Florida and North Carolina (to name three) all put in huge caveats for townhouse communities. Not that this makes it easier on boards. More that I think legislatures did give this a fair amount of thought for all manner of housing.

If you're still roiled, then know that I am too. Board responsibilities for COAs and townhome HOAs in particular have grown a great deal on account of changing weather patterns. The boards are stuck with hiring more and more specialists, and owners are stuck paying for the same.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
From Davis-Stirling.com "Solar Energy " The below applies to CA, but gives good tips on what words to use to protect their associations if they must permit solar on roofs.A great deal of the responsibility falls upon the owner, not the assn. Don't miss the last paragraph.

"Common Area Roofs & Carports. Members have the right to install solar energy panels on a common area roof of the building in which the owner resides, or a garage or carport adjacent to the building that has been assigned to the owner for exclusive use. Per Civil Code § 714.1 and § 4746, the following guidelines apply:

the system must meet applicable building codes;
the system must receive the association's approval (which cannot be unreasonably withheld);
the association may include provisions for the maintenance, repair, or replacement of roofs or other building components;
the association may require installers indemnify the association and pay for any damage;
the association may require a site survey showing placement of the panels and equitable allocation of usable area among owners sharing the same roof, garage, or carport;
applicants must notify each owner of a unit in the building on which the installation will be located of the application to install a solar energy system;
the owner and each successive owner must maintain a homeowner liability coverage policy at all times and provide the association with the corresponding certificate of insurance within 14 days of approval of the application and annually thereafter;
disclose to prospective buyers the existence of the solar energy system and their responsibilities to maintain and pay any damage to the common areas.

Architectural Review. If an application is not denied in writing within 45 days from the date of receipt of the application, the application shall be deemed approved, unless that delay is the result of a reasonable request for additional information. If approvals are willfully avoided or delayed, an association can be penalized up to $1,000. (Civ. Code § 714(f).) Aesthetics are a proper part of the architectural review process, provided it does not significantly increase the cost of the installation. (Tesoro v. Griffen.)

Recommendation: Whenever a solar energy system is installed by an owner on a common area roof (or anywhere in the common areas), a covenant should be prepared by legal counsel for signature by the owner and recordation with the County Recorder obligating the owner (and all future owners) to properly maintain the system, repair any damage to the common areas related to or arising from the owner's solar energy system, and indemnifying the association in the event it is sued because of the solar energy system.
BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
I do not believe we are subject to Chapter 47A or 47C of the NC General Statutes because we are a townhome community not a condo. We were established in 2004. We have mostly quads, but some duplexes.

The panels would not face a common area.
BrendaP3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Kerry

This is all very helpful information. I appreciate it very much. We will take it all into consideration with our upcoming meetings.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LoriM15 on 11/10/2022 6:29 AM
You need to take into consideration the construction of the four roofs. Are they actually four separate roofs or are they constructed as one roof with some fire protection in between? If a leak happens, you need to be able to trace it. If the roofs are conjoined, the leak may happen on the far right roof but show up in the ceiling of the home on the far left. Water travels along the beams. It can be a real nightmare.

We have duplexes with a shared roof that are titled as single family homes. This leak issue happens all the time - unit on right actually has the leak but unit on left has the damage.

Totally agree - this is important.

"Townhome" can apply to homes in an HOA/PUD where the owner actually owns the exterior of their homes, including the roof, foundation and the land up to maybe a few feet out from the perimeter of the home. Townhome-style homes in a condo community are like the condos: the homeowners own only the interior of their homes, and everything outside of that is common elements owned jointly by all members. It can vary, but even the condo communities can have townhome buildings where the roofs aren't all one piece - it depends on the structure of the buildings.

So in a "townhome", you can have complications with ownership, structure, maintenance responsibilities, and insurance/liability issues. All of these things will affect the decision that the OP's association can reasonably make.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrendaP3 on 11/10/2022 7:07 PM
I do not believe we are subject to Chapter 47A or 47C of the NC General Statutes because we are a townhome community not a condo. We were established in 2004. We have mostly quads, but some duplexes.

The panels would not face a common area.
Then to me, the signs are strong that your townhome HOA may not prohibit the installation of solar panels. Your HOA may impose reasonable rules for the solar panels' installation.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 11/11/2022 5:01 AM
Posted By LoriM15 on 11/10/2022 6:29 AM
You need to take into consideration the construction of the four roofs. Are they actually four separate roofs or are they constructed as one roof with some fire protection in between? If a leak happens, you need to be able to trace it. If the roofs are conjoined, the leak may happen on the far right roof but show up in the ceiling of the home on the far left. Water travels along the beams. It can be a real nightmare.

We have duplexes with a shared roof that are titled as single family homes. This leak issue happens all the time - unit on right actually has the leak but unit on left has the damage.


Totally agree - this is important.

"Townhome" can apply to homes in an HOA/PUD where the owner actually owns the exterior of their homes, including the roof, foundation and the land up to maybe a few feet out from the perimeter of the home. Townhome-style homes in a condo community are like the condos: the homeowners own only the interior of their homes, and everything outside of that is common elements owned jointly by all members. It can vary, but even the condo communities can have townhome buildings where the roofs aren't all one piece - it depends on the structure of the buildings.

So in a "townhome", you can have complications with ownership, structure, maintenance responsibilities, and insurance/liability issues. All of these things will affect the decision that the OP's association can reasonably make.

In the one townhome association I was a member of (4 side by side attached townhomes per building) the association was responsible for all outside maintenance including the exterior of homes, roof, and landscaping. To me townhomes are multi story, side by side units often called row homes in older cities.

🎯 You've read this entire discussion

Join the conversation with 50,000 HOA & Condo Leaders:

  • ✓ Ask follow-up questions
  • ✓ Share your experience
  • ✓ Get expert advice
  • ✓ Access 350,000 discussions
Create Free Account →

⚡ Takes 30 seconds

Already a member? Log in here