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KeithL5 (Florida)
Posts: 5
Posted:
This was a message from my website on facebook.
I trust our board, totally, but all they can do is bring it up, they can not force Sun to do anything. Let them address it. I use the pools a lot so this really sucks for me. 43 times in 18 months is way too much.
Now, we have an HOA here, is there anything we can legally do to fix this problem? One person suggested that we buy the parts; plus extra parts for the owners. Of course many of us said that it isn't an option. We already pay via lot rent. Has anyone else ever had this problem/ And what was your solution.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
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From experience and reading here: Pools, spas, elevators and entry gates persistently cause problems at HOAs/COAs. They cost a lot to fix. Getting parts, especially these days, is often a problem. Hiring skilled technicians is a huge challenge these days.

In my experience, it's likely that the board and management have little control over the shut-downs.

I think your best option is to get on the board and see up-close why the HOA/COA struggles to get repairs on the pool done. I agree 43 times in 18 months sounds excessive. But shoot, my municipal pool and spa is shut down several hours a week for maintenance. Even this regularly scheduled maintenance is not enough to preclude spontaneous shut-downs, especially of the spa, from time to time.
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
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Ask the BOD to consider hiring a new pool service contract. Be proactive and check with other HOA's to see possible options.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Perhaps our gated 200-unit HOA with pool & spa is unusual, and I've been posting here a for quite a while and haven't noticed a barrage of complaints about pools being shut down. I'd say in a year, ours is closed off & on for maybe a total of two weeks. I'd say the spa is the same, though it was down for a couple of weeks solid when the heater wasn't available.

We do have a few posters here now & then with pool issues due to vandalism, after hours misconduct, etc. My post is about normal use)

I was on the Board for a long time until a year ago and part of our job was to make sure our pool vendor followed the contract. Some tasks are beyond his scope so various specialists must be contacted by our PM.

As an owner, you have every right to read the pool vendor contract. To Jackie's point, it's possible your assn. isn't paying enough for adequate service. Btw, Our contact for '23 was increased a lot due to inflation. If your board's trying to cut corners, pool maintenance might take a hit.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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We have two pools (no spa) and we have had our fair share of pool closures. You need to tell us why the pool was closed 43 times. Was it all equipment failure? How old are your pools? If you have a lot of equipment failure, your pool equipment was either old or not maintained well. And yes, it can take months to get parts for older equipment. The post-covid supply chain issues was real for pool parts. We experienced it.

But in Florida, all HOA/COA pools are governed by the Department of Health. Were you shut down for violations? Depending on your inspector, they can shut you down for frayed lane ropes or old safety equipment.

Was your pool resurfaced/refurbished during those 43 days? That process usually takes 6 weeks or more.

It is frustrating to have pool closures. But before you make a general complaint, you should find out the exact reasons.
KeithL5 (Florida)
Posts: 5
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Where I live is a 55 plus retirement community owned by Sun Community. Responsibility on pool maint belongs to the owner, Sun Community. Residents have an Home owner association. Not much of one. Money raised by the HOA is from the price to join (only $5 a year) and social functions. Anyway, residents are discussing what options we may have (as residents), to force the owner to keep up with the pools and hot tubs.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
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Posted By KeithL5 on 10/31/2022 3:54 PM
Where I live is a 55 plus retirement community owned by Sun Community. Responsibility on pool maint belongs to the owner, Sun Community. Residents have an Home owner association. Not much of one. Money raised by the HOA is from the price to join (only $5 a year) and social functions. Anyway, residents are discussing what options we may have (as residents), to force the owner to keep up with the pools and hot tubs.
It looks like Sun Communities is a REIT.

Do you and other residents have a contract with Sun Communities that includes, as one contractual term, that Sun Communities' provide a pool?
MichaelL24 (California)
Posts: 7
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I'm an HOA president.

The pool was closed 43 times in an 18 month period? 2.39 times per month? That's indicative with some major issues with the either the equipment, the underground plumbing, or the pool and spa themselves.

We have our community pool and spa operational for over 40 years. Everything in our pool equipment room (as we call it) has been replaced 3-4 times including heaters, pumps, filters, and above ground plumbing over the years. We had an underground water feed leak that was detected and fixed. We've replastered and retiled the pool and spa twice and I'm about to enter into a contract to replaster again for the 3rd time.

If I were to guess, I want to say that in 42 years of operation, our pool and spa has been down for repairs not much more than 80 days. The pool replaster jobs were the most time consuming project, and those took no more the 15 days each. One luxury that we have is that our pool service who maintains our equipment does an excellent job of looking ahead and forecasting when certain parts will need replacement. This gives us the opportunity to shop for the best parts deals and to warehouse the parts until they are needed. It also also allows me to account for these future costs in our budget so that we're not surprised and unprepared by projecting these costs as planned expenses as opposed to dealing with them as emergency repairs.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to get a 3rd party pool service to come in and assess the pool, spa, and all related equipment and to see if their assessment matches the information that Sun pool services is providing you. For all you know, Sun pool service might be nickel and dime-ing you to death with small short-term fixes, which when added up over time, may cost more than doing a more expensive proper fix to the pool equipment.

Example: You can overhaul a pool filter over and over again until the cows come home, but the cumulative repair cost can exceed the cost of a brand new pump which would result in less breakdowns. There's also some maintenance that is often avoided because it considered unnecessary, such as draining and acid washing the pool and spa and looking for plaster imperfections every 5 years. This needs to be done to remove the loose plaster which ends up clogging up the pool filters.

The message here is it's a bad idea to short cut or cheap out on pool services. If you can't afford the pool, then close it up and bury it.

There's a science to keeping a pool maintained and operational, and it starts by working with a pool service who is transparent, provides constant communications about the health of the swimming pool, and works proactively with the homeowner/HOA on what needs to be done to keep the pool at the peak of its performance.

LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Posted By KeithL5 on 10/31/2022 3:54 PM
Where I live is a 55 plus retirement community owned by Sun Community. Responsibility on pool maint belongs to the owner, Sun Community. Residents have an Home owner association. Not much of one. Money raised by the HOA is from the price to join (only $5 a year) and social functions. Anyway, residents are discussing what options we may have (as residents), to force the owner to keep up with the pools and hot tubs.

It looks like you don't really live in an HOA community. You rent in a community that has a social club that you pay for dues for. The owner of the community, that you pay rent to, is responsible for the maintenance of the amenities, including the pool.

Since you aren't an owner, you don't have much say in what the owner does to maintain and keep the pool open. You could put a petition together with other residents or ask for a formal meeting. Other than that, you are at the whim of owner unless you're lease guarantees use of the amenities a certain percentage of the time and then you might have a legal case.

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