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MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
Hi all,

I'm wondering what associations are doing to stay on top of inflation. Are you planning to raise fees by more than originally planned? Cutting services? Considering a loan?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Why? That is not how a budget works. The reason raise dues is to pay just the bills. That may include reserve funds as well. You do not randomly raise dues because of inflation. You raise them to match current actual expenses. This is a non profit. You fund as much as spend

Should be noted that many HOA allow the board to raise dues a certain percentage yearly of like 3%. Higher than that it is a majority member vote. So there is room for cost of living increase built in. You just do not grab it from the sky.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Our assessments are going up 6.5% in January. No major reductions in services, may have some shifting in spending priorities.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By CathyA3 on 10/27/2022 6:19 AM
Our assessments are going up 6.5% in January. No major reductions in services, may have some shifting in spending priorities.

Also, in my community a member vote is not required for this increase. The board can raise assessments as needed to meet expenses.

#NotEveryState
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
I have created a chart that shows our dues over the years compared to inflation, and second chart comparing our dues to home values. Turns out, our dues were strongly linked to home values (which is irrelevant) and not linked to inflation.

In the future, I am going to propose that we raise dues every year in concert with CPI.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Home values are based on real numbers. It is what houses with similar size, baths, and bedroom sell or foreclose for in a 6 month period. That is usually in a few miles radius.

You can not attribute someone not buying a house because it is in a HOA or not. Can not say because weeds in yard. Plus any other HOA violation as a "home value".

I find it hard to believe can make an evaluation based on home value in any kind of HOA budget scenario. You base it on the collection of dues rate.

Former HOA President
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/27/2022 7:39 AM
Home values are based on real numbers. It is what houses with similar size, baths, and bedroom sell or foreclose for in a 6 month period. That is usually in a few miles radius.

You can not attribute someone not buying a house because it is in a HOA or not. Can not say because weeds in yard. Plus any other HOA violation as a "home value".

I find it hard to believe can make an evaluation based on home value in any kind of HOA budget scenario. You base it on the collection of dues rate.

Absolute nonsense. I will never again buy a condo in an HOA and there are a lot of other people like me that feel the same way. I would also never consider buying a SFH in an HOA unless it had zero amenities and even then I don't know if I would. Plenty of people will not buy into an HOA.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
So where is the form you report did not buy because of HOA? There is none. Therefore it can not be measured.

Former HOA President
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/27/2022 7:54 AM
So where is the form you report did not buy because of HOA? There is none. Therefore it can not be measured.

Your inability to admit you are wrong is absolutely bizarre and at times is a danger to people that come here looking for advice.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/27/2022 6:45 AM
I have created a chart that shows our dues over the years compared to inflation, and second chart comparing our dues to home values. Turns out, our dues were strongly linked to home values (which is irrelevant) and not linked to inflation.

In the future, I am going to propose that we raise dues every year in concert with CPI.
Numerology seduces engineers better than any other profession.

In the future, and as you have read here many times, dues are dictated flatly by what anticipated expenses (including reserves) are.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 10/27/2022 8:03 AM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/27/2022 6:45 AM
I have created a chart that shows our dues over the years compared to inflation, and second chart comparing our dues to home values. Turns out, our dues were strongly linked to home values (which is irrelevant) and not linked to inflation.

In the future, I am going to propose that we raise dues every year in concert with CPI.
Numerology seduces engineers better than any other profession.

In the future, and as you have read here many times, dues are dictated flatly by what anticipated expenses (including reserves) are.

Augustin -

I didn't say that I voted to set dues in accordance with home values. I simply created the chart from 2008 and compared to normalized home values, and found that there was a distinct correlation. I didn't join the Board until 2019.

Personally, I think that relating dues to home values is a rather stupid idea, but it's what others prior to me did.

I plan to promote the idea that we link dues to CPI because that makes sense to me.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/27/2022 8:11 AM
I plan to promote the idea that we link dues to CPI because that makes sense to me.
When it comes to HOA/COA budgeting, I believe the intelligent and legal response to inflation is to adjust the anticipated coming year's operating expenses and reserve funding according to the anticipated effects of inflation.

Your
Mileage
May [and in Michael's case, Does]
Vary
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Our monthly assessments are going up almost 12%. This is based on expected expenses for next year plus a reasonable amount that it is going to cost us for hurricane clean up and replacement of destroyed items, including landscaping. Our treasurer wanted to keep the increase in line with the SS cost of living adjustment since so many of our owners are retirees, but the rest of the board forced him to do a larger amount since all of our contracts are increasing in price and we have a large road project coming up that will lower our reserve amount.

If we tied our monthly assessment to home values, our reserve fund would be fully funded and we would be swimming in cash. Home prices are not a reliable indicator of anything. This year they are very high. Next year they may be really low. Florida is boom or bust. HOA assessments should not be that volatile.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I've heard of CC&Rs that do mention the inflation rate/CPI.

It can make sense to tie increases to inflation. But this doesn't allow for unexpected events whose cost can far exceed the CPI. So an association wouldn't want to limit the increase to the CPI. (FWIW, I think the PPI - producer price index - is a better measure for associations since we don't care about food and clothing prices. We care about the cost of raw materials since that directly affects the cost to maintain physical structures.)

In addition to operating expenses, I'm guessing that most associations' reserve studies need to be redone. Our last one was done when inflation was running around 2-3%, so it underestimates actual future replacement costs by a bunch. I've seen recommendations of new studies every 3-5 years, but more frequently if something significant has changed.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Final budget meeting here was a couple of days a go, but I didn't heat the exact amount of the increase. It's a lot due in part to inflation. High rise condo. In CA we also needed to raise a few security officers' & custodians' wages to the new minimum wage in our county/state. Also big increases in electricity, insurance, monthly management fee

We placed in our restated CC&Rs that contributions to reserves must match the CPI until our reserves are 100% funded.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Final budget meeting here was a couple of days a go, but I didn't heat the exact amount of the increase. It's a lot due in part to inflation. High rise condo. In CA we also needed to raise a few security officers' & custodians' wages to the new minimum wage in our county/state. Also big increases in electricity, insurance, monthly management fee

We placed in our restated CC&Rs that contributions to reserves must match the CPI until our reserves are 100% funded.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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I highly recommend tracking the inflation rate with each annual budget. Vendors can change pricing and costs can surge following the passage of a budget at the board level, much less the annual meeting's ratification - that's a fair amount of time.

In this economic climate, pounding vendors on price increases isn't offset by "better deals" elsewhere. Look before you leap.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Our largest expense is landscaping as the HOA does all landscaping. Our second largest expense is our MC. In discussions with both, they intend to raise our costs by 8%. Our HOA is responsible for fences around each house and they are needing more repairs/replacement thus a drain on our Reserves.

After all is said and done, we expect to increase dues by 12% for 2023.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Our association has always considered inflation, the condition of our reserves, and maintenance costs when setting the assessment. Basically, you have to do what most people do when considering their household budget:

- do as much comparison shopping as you can and make sure you're comparing apples to apples

- consider your current vendors' quality of service - if they've done a good job, you may want to consider keeping them even if the price goes up because you do get what you pay for

- evaluate your collection policies. If you have a problem with delinquencies, that will eat into your operating budget and hurt your ability to find reserves. This means you may need to tweak your policy, evaluate your attorneys' performance (before I left my board, we changed attorneys because we felt he wasn't aggressive enough in collections)

- consider your upcoming projects carefully - you might want a major renovation of the swimming pool, but if you have other needs (e.g. streets that need repaving like yesterday and that's not fast enough), you may have to postpone the swimming pool renovations and fix the streets before someone's care falls into the sinkhole/big-all pothole

- ditto for association insurance - are you able to cover a larger deductible if that drives down the premium a bit?

All of this may very well mean you'll have to raise assessments, possibly beyond what you'd like. Make sure you do that according to your documents and be upfront with the homeowners, explaining why this is necessary. They will likely squawk, but considering the price of everything is up, you have to consider what you're willing to do to keep your home and neighborhood in decent order.

Try to avoid loans unless it's for something vital and your reserve fund isn't enough to cover it. If you have that type of need, you may want to try a special assessment first, which will require homeowner approval, so be prepared for much weeping, gnashing of teeth and lots of cussing. either a loan or special assessment will jock up the assessments anyway, so homeowners have to consider what they're willing to live with and accept responsibility for what may happen if they don't.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Our two vendors, landscaping and security have not raised their rates since this whole mess began, luckily we have not had to raise assessments in 4 years.
We even calculated last years electric usage for the pool and compared them to the new rates and it was not a significant jump to raise assessments.

Four years ago we changed security companies that was significantly lower in cost than the company the PM CHOSE for the previous board.
We were using that savings and transferring that to our reserve fund. We went from 85% to 102% funded, We completed a few projects from the reserve
study ahead of schedule.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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My previous HOA would do budgets each year and adjust our assessments accordingly.
They also have a line item labeled miscellaneous to provide a buffer/contingency for delinquent accounts, budget shortfalls, etc.
Typically, they had to raise assessments 4% per year.
That board is limited to 5% increase per year without membership approval.

My current Association has zero common area and zero common amenities.
The Assessment amount is located in the Covenants.
There is zero way to increase assessments without amending the covenants.
Again, zero maintenance requirements = super low assessments.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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I believe an Association should raise dues each year about 3% and it would be less painful as members expect it. Few BOD's will do this. They rather wait a few years and do a 10% raise
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/27/2022 8:11 AM
Posted By AugustinD on 10/27/2022 8:03 AM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/27/2022 6:45 AM
I have created a chart that shows our dues over the years compared to inflation, and second chart comparing our dues to home values. Turns out, our dues were strongly linked to home values (which is irrelevant) and not linked to inflation.

In the future, I am going to propose that we raise dues every year in concert with CPI.
Numerology seduces engineers better than any other profession.

In the future, and as you have read here many times, dues are dictated flatly by what anticipated expenses (including reserves) are.


Augustin -

I didn't say that I voted to set dues in accordance with home values. I simply created the chart from 2008 and compared to normalized home values, and found that there was a distinct correlation. I didn't join the Board until 2019.

Personally, I think that relating dues to home values is a rather stupid idea, but it's what others prior to me did.

I plan to promote the idea that we link dues to CPI because that makes sense to me.


Dues should be based on anticipated expenses. How on earth can raising them on something not related to your expenses make sense? That is a really, really bad idea.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By JohnC46 on 10/27/2022 4:40 PM
I believe an Association should raise dues each year about 3% and it would be less painful as members expect it. Few BOD's will do this. They rather wait a few years and do a 10% raise

That might be overkill. I feel this might be prohibited in one or more states, and it could be a logistic nightmare for states that have any balanced budget laws that state overages are returned to the owner
if such a law exist. Augustine.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Some HOAs are only allowed to raise dues in accordance with year-over-year inflation rate with no provisions bulk dues rate increases.

The inflation debate is very interesting because if HOA expenses don't track inflation perfectly, you've over-raised your dues. If the HOA board saves their owners money by not tracking inflation, the HOA must rely on hope that there are no pricing shocks or mid-year vendor moves on pricing due to easily observable market conditions.

I'm not sure there's a wrong answer here except that budget writers should not totally ignore inflation. Risk tolerance is a real budget consideration.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Some HOAs are only allowed to raise dues in accordance with year-over-year inflation rate with no provisions bulk dues rate increases.

The inflation debate is very interesting because if HOA expenses don't track inflation perfectly, you've over-raised your dues. If the HOA board saves their owners money by not tracking inflation, the HOA must rely on hope that there are no pricing shocks or mid-year vendor moves on pricing due to easily observable market conditions.

I'm not sure there's a wrong answer here except that budget writers should not totally ignore inflation. Risk tolerance is a real budget consideration.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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Our homeowners would be very pleased to see that we are fighting inflation by only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. This is bad thinking.

The reality is that homeowners should be very scared that we are only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. That means that we are accomplishing less in the community in 2023 than we did in 2022 since costs are rising faster than dues.

Our HOA is not exempt from Economics 101.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/28/2022 8:13 AM
Our homeowners would be very pleased to see that we are fighting inflation by only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. This is bad thinking.

The reality is that homeowners should be very scared that we are only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. That means that we are accomplishing less in the community in 2023 than we did in 2022 since costs are rising faster than dues.

Our HOA is not exempt from Economics 101.

You are correct.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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planting 200 trees to reduce park grass cutting from 2.25 acres to 1 acre.
applying for $10,000 city grant. applying for $5000 beautification grant, and we just fired our landscaper who blatantly lied and said the contract allowed them to increase rates 15% when the contract clearly states 3% increase per year. If they would of asked nicely and said due to the crazy inflation, probably would of kept them. instead they just said here is your new rate and when we said why aren't you following the contract they made up some total BS that was insulting our intelligence.


vis ta vie
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/28/2022 8:13 AM
Our homeowners would be very pleased to see that we are fighting inflation by only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. This is bad thinking.

The reality is that homeowners should be very scared that we are only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. That means that we are accomplishing less in the community in 2023 than we did in 2022 since costs are rising faster than dues.

Our HOA is not exempt from Economics 101.


Econ 101 would explain that a nation’s inflation rate - which includes all goods and services in the entire country - may not match a micro inflation rate, such as common expenses for a specific association in a specific town in a specific region of the country.

It is highly doubtful that each of your expenses are going up at a rate that exactly matches our 2022 national inflation rate. They might go up more. They might go up less.

You need to estimate your anticipated next year expenses, then set your assessment based on that. I would be surprised your governing documents don’t explain that some place.

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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Posted By DavidG45 on 10/29/2022 4:42 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/28/2022 8:13 AM
Our homeowners would be very pleased to see that we are fighting inflation by only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. This is bad thinking.

The reality is that homeowners should be very scared that we are only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. That means that we are accomplishing less in the community in 2023 than we did in 2022 since costs are rising faster than dues.

Our HOA is not exempt from Economics 101.


Econ 101 would explain that a nation’s inflation rate - which includes all goods and services in the entire country - may not match a micro inflation rate, such as common expenses for a specific association in a specific town in a specific region of the country.

It is highly doubtful that each of your expenses are going up at a rate that exactly matches our 2022 national inflation rate. They might go up more. They might go up less.

You need to estimate your anticipated next year expenses, then set your assessment based on that. I would be surprised your governing documents don’t explain that some place.


No, our governing documents don't discuss setting dues, inflation, or estimating costs. That's on the Board.

We have a fairly extensive process that I have developed for setting dues, and I'm rather proud of it. Here it goes:

In June, we contact our big vendors (landscaper, property management company) and request that they provide the cost for their service for the next fiscal year (Jan 1 to Dec 31) by September 1st. We don't need contracts, but just need to know the costs. At the same time, we as a Board look at any special projects that we might have for the next year, and work with vendors to get estimates on that.

Then the Treasurer uses that information to put together a preliminary budget for the next fiscal year. We review that at the September meeting and offer comments as a Board. We discuss whether we are happy with the proposed dues or whether we want them to go up or down the next year.

Then based on our discussion, the Treasurer reworks the budget with what we think the dues should be in September. We present the budget to the Board as a whole again at our October meeting, and approve the budget at that time.

Then we call the budget ratification meeting, which is in November. The homeowners have the opportunity to vote down the budget if they choose, but the standards are a bit high and it would be unfathomable that a budget ever failed the budget ratification meeting.

Finally, coupons are sent out to homeowners in December and dues are due starting January 1st.

Honestly, despite the commentary here, I think our HOA is one of the better run HOAs in our area...we are pretty on top of things right now.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
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Posted By DavidG45 on 10/29/2022 4:42 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/28/2022 8:13 AM
Our homeowners would be very pleased to see that we are fighting inflation by only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. This is bad thinking.

The reality is that homeowners should be very scared that we are only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. That means that we are accomplishing less in the community in 2023 than we did in 2022 since costs are rising faster than dues.

Our HOA is not exempt from Economics 101.


Econ 101 would explain that a nation’s inflation rate - which includes all goods and services in the entire country - may not match a micro inflation rate, such as common expenses for a specific association in a specific town in a specific region of the country.

It is highly doubtful that each of your expenses are going up at a rate that exactly matches our 2022 national inflation rate.
-- I agree. This is particularly important because about one-quarter of the CPI reflects changes in the cost of rent. Food is another large component. Inflation rates can be highly regional. This talk of basing assessment increases on the national inflation rate does not have logic behind it AFAIC.

-- I do not buy any chatter about how an income surplus is some sort of huge problem. Yes, some HOAs/COAs have requirements to return any "surplus." But "surplus" is a pretty flexible term, both per statutes and per the reality that certain line items in a budget are specifically designed as a cushion, absorbing variations of actual expenses vs. budgeted expenses. The way I see it: Budgeting is inevitably a science of estimating as best one can. It is not an exact science. No director should be stressed over the possibility of a surplus.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/29/2022 5:09 PM
Posted By DavidG45 on 10/29/2022 4:42 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/28/2022 8:13 AM
Our homeowners would be very pleased to see that we are fighting inflation by only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. This is bad thinking.

The reality is that homeowners should be very scared that we are only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. That means that we are accomplishing less in the community in 2023 than we did in 2022 since costs are rising faster than dues.

Our HOA is not exempt from Economics 101.


Econ 101 would explain that a nation’s inflation rate - which includes all goods and services in the entire country - may not match a micro inflation rate, such as common expenses for a specific association in a specific town in a specific region of the country.

It is highly doubtful that each of your expenses are going up at a rate that exactly matches our 2022 national inflation rate. They might go up more. They might go up less.

You need to estimate your anticipated next year expenses, then set your assessment based on that. I would be surprised your governing documents don’t explain that some place.



No, our governing documents don't discuss setting dues, inflation, or estimating costs. That's on the Board.

We have a fairly extensive process that I have developed for setting dues, and I'm rather proud of it. Here it goes:

In June, we contact our big vendors (landscaper, property management company) and request that they provide the cost for their service for the next fiscal year (Jan 1 to Dec 31) by September 1st. We don't need contracts, but just need to know the costs. At the same time, we as a Board look at any special projects that we might have for the next year, and work with vendors to get estimates on that.

Then the Treasurer uses that information to put together a preliminary budget for the next fiscal year. We review that at the September meeting and offer comments as a Board. We discuss whether we are happy with the proposed dues or whether we want them to go up or down the next year.

Then based on our discussion, the Treasurer reworks the budget with what we think the dues should be in September. We present the budget to the Board as a whole again at our October meeting, and approve the budget at that time.

Then we call the budget ratification meeting, which is in November. The homeowners have the opportunity to vote down the budget if they choose, but the standards are a bit high and it would be unfathomable that a budget ever failed the budget ratification meeting.

Finally, coupons are sent out to homeowners in December and dues are due starting January 1st.

Honestly, despite the commentary here, I think our HOA is one of the better run HOAs in our area...we are pretty on top of things right now.


That sounds like the process I proposed, and nothing at all like simply raising fees an arbitrary amount because of the national inflation rate.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/27/2022 8:11 AM

I plan to promote the idea that we link dues to CPI because that makes sense to me.

Assessments should be based on actual budget analysis.
They should not be raised or lowered based on any other indicator.

I've attached an old budget to demonstrate.
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PatJ1 (North Carolina)
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Per our 40 year old CCR's, we are limited to the CPI as of the previous Dec. This year it's 7%. Have actually been asked when the CPI goes down, it did a few years ago, if there will be a reduction. Our maintenance costs outside of contracts have gone through the roof. Including those that are labor only. Our reserves are funded at less than 15%. We have new roofs and new railings. Biggest expense will be digging up and redoing the parking lot. Doing a $100,000 reserve assessment this year. Last year we did $72,000 with our attorney's blessings. They interpreted the CCR's that a Reserve Assessment might or might not fly if we were sued. Most in our HOA don't have the funds to consult an attorney, so we are taking our chances.

I will think long and hard to ever buy in an HOA again after my 9 years on our board. I'm thinking piece of land, out in the country, even if I have to, and can, put an RV on it. Counting down 2 years until retirement. Not staying here.
AugustinD
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Posted By PatJ1 on 10/30/2022 9:36 AM
Per our 40 year old CCR's, we are limited to the CPI as of the previous Dec. This year it's 7%. Have actually been asked when the CPI goes down, it did a few years ago, if there will be a reduction. Our maintenance costs outside of contracts have gone through the roof. Including those that are labor only. Our reserves are funded at less than 15%. We have new roofs and new railings. Biggest expense will be digging up and redoing the parking lot. Doing a $100,000 reserve assessment this year. Last year we did $72,000 with our attorney's blessings. They interpreted the CCR's that a Reserve Assessment might or might not fly if we were sued. Most in our HOA don't have the funds to consult an attorney, so we are taking our chances.

I will think long and hard to ever buy in an HOA again after my 9 years on our board. I'm thinking piece of land, out in the country, even if I have to, and can, put an RV on it. Counting down 2 years until retirement. Not staying here.
Great report. Elsewhere I see PatJ1 indicated that this is a 144-unit condo community. Today it would be about 40 years old. Last year's SA was $500 per unit. This year's will be more.

Amy problems collecting the SA from owners?

Though I would think that having new roofs and soon, a new parking lot, will help with the reserve's percent funded figure mightily.

PatJ1, care to spend what the other big ticket items are, besides roofs and the parking lot? How's the plumbing for which the COA has responsibility doing? Spontaneous leaking now and then? Is there a swimming pool?

Perhaps this is a case study of a condominium paying as it goes along, rather than saving steadily via careful reserve planning.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By PatJ1 on 10/30/2022 9:36 AM

I will think long and hard to ever buy in an HOA again after my 9 years on our board. I'm thinking piece of land, out in the country, even if I have to, and can, put an RV on it. Counting down 2 years until retirement. Not staying here.

Just know what you want and be willing to live where you find it.

We must have looked at over 500 homes in 5 different States before we found one we liked and our offer was accepted.
Everyone we made an offer on I made contingent on reading the Associations governing docs.
There were many that my wife liked and I said no to after I read the documents.

Heck, in one Association, the Board was allowed to waive compliance with the covenants. Easy to see the writing on that wall.

In many, the streets were too narrow and many were using the garage as storage - seeing parking restrictions in the future for those.

In one Association, the builder screwed up recording the covenants and every block in the development had their own set. Hence, I could live on one block and have a fence and my neighbor across my back yard could not.

So, use your knowledge and make an informed decision vs. saying no to anything in an HOA.
We found one with zero amenities and zero common area.
There are two entrance monuments that sit on easements where the Association can't even landscape around without the property owners permission. Assessments are essentially fixed because the amount is recorded in the CC&Rs with zero way to increase them without amending the document - not a problem since there is nothing to maintain.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/29/2022 5:09 PM
Posted By DavidG45 on 10/29/2022 4:42 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/28/2022 8:13 AM
Our homeowners would be very pleased to see that we are fighting inflation by only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. This is bad thinking.

The reality is that homeowners should be very scared that we are only raising dues 2% when inflation is 8%. That means that we are accomplishing less in the community in 2023 than we did in 2022 since costs are rising faster than dues.

Our HOA is not exempt from Economics 101.


Econ 101 would explain that a nation’s inflation rate - which includes all goods and services in the entire country - may not match a micro inflation rate, such as common expenses for a specific association in a specific town in a specific region of the country.

It is highly doubtful that each of your expenses are going up at a rate that exactly matches our 2022 national inflation rate. They might go up more. They might go up less.

You need to estimate your anticipated next year expenses, then set your assessment based on that. I would be surprised your governing documents don’t explain that some place.



No, our governing documents don't discuss setting dues, inflation, or estimating costs. That's on the Board.

We have a fairly extensive process that I have developed for setting dues, and I'm rather proud of it. Here it goes:

In June, we contact our big vendors (landscaper, property management company) and request that they provide the cost for their service for the next fiscal year (Jan 1 to Dec 31) by September 1st. We don't need contracts, but just need to know the costs. At the same time, we as a Board look at any special projects that we might have for the next year, and work with vendors to get estimates on that.

Then the Treasurer uses that information to put together a preliminary budget for the next fiscal year. We review that at the September meeting and offer comments as a Board. We discuss whether we are happy with the proposed dues or whether we want them to go up or down the next year.

Then based on our discussion, the Treasurer reworks the budget with what we think the dues should be in September. We present the budget to the Board as a whole again at our October meeting, and approve the budget at that time.

Then we call the budget ratification meeting, which is in November. The homeowners have the opportunity to vote down the budget if they choose, but the standards are a bit high and it would be unfathomable that a budget ever failed the budget ratification meeting.

Finally, coupons are sent out to homeowners in December and dues are due starting January 1st.

Honestly, despite the commentary here, I think our HOA is one of the better run HOAs in our area...we are pretty on top of things right now.

I compliment you on such a "defined" procedure. We "roughly" follow a similar procedure and our largest vendors (landscaper and property management) have said about an 8% to 9% increase for 2023. The BOD has been discussing a 12% increase as one of of our upcoming major expenses (fence replacement) falls under neither expense. I believe any increase will be a problem/issue, be it 8% or 12%, so go for the 12%. The BOD is split.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/30/2022 6:25 AM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/27/2022 8:11 AM

I plan to promote the idea that we link dues to CPI because that makes sense to me.


Assessments should be based on actual budget analysis.
They should not be raised or lowered based on any other indicator.

I've attached an old budget to demonstrate.

I think my response is:

An actual budget analysis is ideal, but many boards don't have volunteers that do that type of thing. Even if they have 1 board member who does a detailed budget analysis, the remaining board members likely do not and want an easy to digest idea of what to do with dues. Saying "consumer prices went up by 8%, thus, our dues should do. Old dues were $1000 per new, thus, next year should be $1080 per year" is an easy to digest statement that can be made at a board meeting.

So I would say that if you have a person who is willing to do a detailed budget analysis each year, count your blessing and go with what the person recommends. If you do not, stick with the CPI.

In no case should a Board base dues off of home values.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Michael,

It's not that hard to do a budget analysis for an established HOA.
The treasurer can easily see the normal cost increases.

For a new HOA, that doesn't have the history, an analysis is harder.

If you took a look at my attachment, it took appox one hour to put that together.
I believe that the statement is easy to understand and can be digested in less then 5 min.

Just because an outside indicator goes up 8% (using your example), doesn't mean the actual expenses of an HOA goes up by that much.

Of course, you have your opinion and I have mine.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
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Posted By TimB4 on 10/30/2022 11:25 PM
Michael,

It's not that hard to do a budget analysis for an established HOA.
The treasurer can easily see the normal cost increases.

For a new HOA, that doesn't have the history, an analysis is harder.

If you took a look at my attachment, it took appox one hour to put that together.
I believe that the statement is easy to understand and can be digested in less then 5 min.

Just because an outside indicator goes up 8% (using your example), doesn't mean the actual expenses of an HOA goes up by that much.

Of course, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Tim, it's fine. You and I both approach budgeting the same way.

What I'm saying is that if I wasn't on the board, and we had a bunch of real estate agents on the Board instead, we might find assessment change in line with housing prices, which I think is a bad and incorrect way of doing things. (That is how our board used to do things before I joined). The CPI is a far better metric and takes less than 5 minutes to look it up. I would advocate that an unmotivated and lazy board, which describes many HOA boards, might look at CPI and adjust dues based on CPI rather than based on home values or whim. A detailed financial analysis is better, and that is what I do, but it takes work and there is no guarantee that any random set of board volunteers are willing to do that. Since they don't get paid, there is no incentive to do just that.

I say 8% CPI but I seriously doubt that the actual year over year CPI will increase by 8%. I think that is the monthly gain extrapolated out to a full year. I would be surprised if it actually increases by 8%. Historically it's been more like 2%.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/31/2022 4:27 AM

I would advocate that an unmotivated and lazy board, which describes many HOA boards, . . .

I honestly don't think it describes as many boards as you might think it does.

AugustinD
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 10/31/2022 4:27 AM
I say 8% CPI but I seriously doubt that the actual year over year CPI will increase by 8%. I think that is the monthly gain extrapolated out to a full year.
No, it is not. For September 2022, for the previous 12 months, the CPI increased 8.2%. See for example https://www.bls.gov/cpi/ and a buzillion other web sites. Your misinformation is a hazard.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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I'm not comfortable comparing previous budget and spending trends as it requires a look-back period that was low-to-zero inflation for the past 15 years with 2022-23 being a different inflationary environment. IF an HOA tracks inflation - has not reached full reserve funding - AND can hold down costs below inflation, the unspent budget can support the Reserves at the end of 2023.

Most vendors of my community have raised 15% or so on average. Granted, I've pounded on them a message of being a stable customer if they keep prices stable and that worked for the better part of a decade, but the inflation environment has de-starched that position and companies refuse to "lose money" on our community.

This is one of the few threads where I see true philosophical disagreement between experienced posters but I will fall into the camp that recognizes inflation before it proves my budget analysis false.

Summary: Our 9.2% dues increase (which matched the CPI-U for June 2022 - June 2023 as articulated in our CC&Rs/by-laws, is covering increased pool, utility, landscaping, pool phone and pond management services. We are saving a few hundred on a newly written liability insurance policy. The remaining new dues revenue provides a 9.1% increase to the Reserve Funds (which we are not fully funded but not unhealthy in that regard). The new revenue isn't boosting expanding operations at all.....it is quite surprising to me, to be honest. Our discretionary budget items are stable with us doing our usual adjustments depending on expected expenses (a high pool furniture expense this year allows us to shift some cash to more clubhouse or park purchases, for instances).

A 7-10% "miss" on inflation is not insignificant to most HOA budgets and can result in reduced services if forward projections are incorrectly assumed by HOA budget writers.

This is not rocket science
AugustinD
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Posted By KellyM3 on 10/31/2022 8:17 AM
The remaining new dues revenue provides a 9.1% increase to the Reserve Funds (which we are not fully funded but not unhealthy in that regard).
Little aside: Reserve funds that, ignoring recent inflation, represent an X% percent funded figure now (with inflation at Y%) denote a percent funded figure that is lower by a factor of

X Ć· (X+Y)

This means that, to achieve the same percent funded figure, HOAs/COAs have to increase their coming reserve contribution by a number possibly much higher than the rate of inflation. This is to address the fact that all the dollars previously put into the reserve account now has lost value, even taking into account interest from money market and recent CD rates.
AugustinD
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Posted By AugustinD on 10/31/2022 8:56 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 10/31/2022 8:17 AM
The remaining new dues revenue provides a 9.1% increase to the Reserve Funds (which we are not fully funded but not unhealthy in that regard).
Little aside: Reserve funds that, ignoring recent inflation, represent an X% percent funded figure now (with inflation at Y%) denote a percent funded figure that is lower by a factor of

X Ć· (X+Y)
Math-o. Should be:

1 Ć· (1 + (Y / 100))
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By AugustinD on 10/31/2022 9:12 AM
Posted By AugustinD on 10/31/2022 8:56 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 10/31/2022 8:17 AM
The remaining new dues revenue provides a 9.1% increase to the Reserve Funds (which we are not fully funded but not unhealthy in that regard).
Little aside: Reserve funds that, ignoring recent inflation, represent an X% percent funded figure now (with inflation at Y%) denote a percent funded figure that is lower by a factor of

X Ć· (X+Y)
Math-o. Should be:

1 Ć· (1 + (Y / 100))

I assure you that you've reached beyond the limit at which I'm gonna volunteer more brain cells to HOA operations and budgeting. If we track inflation, plan as best possible and keep the grass mowed/pool water wet, and STILL go broke due to the economy...well...that's the breaks.
AugustinD
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My hope would be that Boards annually adjust their reserve study in consultation with a reserve study professional, and then set the assessment and reserve contributions as the reserve study advises.

I continue to think HOA/COA Directors are not paid enough.

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