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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
How many of you are still having virtual board meetings? Zoom seems to work but I prefer in person. We have been doing hybrid, which are extra workload. More importantly, I can't see people on camera because the projector shows my powerpoint rather than people's cameras, so I don't get the non-verbal reactions to discussions. I personally don't like hybrid meetings.

(I'm fine with hybrid format for homeowners to observe - I don't need to see homeowners non verbal reactions).

I'm thinking that it might be time to insist that we get together in person again, whether at a public location like the library or fire station or a handy location like my house. Before bringing it up to the Board, I was just curious what others are doing today.

(Yes, I know I"ve asked before....I'm trying to see if the trends of returning to in person are holding true with board meetings, and today is a different month than last time I asked.)
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We've been live since January.

That said, I think you need to "read the room" in your community. Contrary to what people may think, COVID still hasn't disappeared and although more people are getting vaccinate, there are still many people who are uncomfortable with crowds of any size. We also have people who've found hybrid meetings easier because they may have issues with child care and or elder care.

The key is productivity - if you're getting all agenda items addressed in a timely manner, a zoom or in person meeting shouldn't make a difference. So start with that - has your board improved as far as their participation is concerned? Are they asking more questions and are you noticing they're coming to meetings more prepared than before?

And do you really need these power point presentations? What's wrong with preparing an outline for yourself and a decent agenda for everyone else and spending more time actually discussing the issues and taking a vote? That would be in an OPEN meeting, not those executive sessions you seem to depend on entirely too much.

How about talking to your colleagues about this (I know you probably won't, but I'll mention it anyway) perhaps you can persuade them to keep zoom meetings for bad weather and schedule the rest in person - if you haven't already done so, look for a place that's close by and perhaps a second location for backup.

Ditto for your homeowners- ask them what they think and why they prefer one over the other and why. I think their opinion is more important than your colleagues and you - if they prefer live meetings, that's what you do - board members either learn to adapt or do something else


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
To clarify, the powerpoint is not (generally) full of words. It's primarily pictures of the issue at hand. Most of the things we discuss involve park maintenance of one type or another, and I go around and take pictures of the concerns and put them in a presentation. Then when we discuss whether the bench along Maple Street should be replaced, there is a picture of the bench in question and then we all can look at it and make an informed decision.

Otherwise, 2/3 of the board have never looked at the bench in question and don't know why we need to replace it, and we don't actually vote to maintain our assets. The only way I get to "yes" votes is to show the other board members the issue in pictures, and powerpoint is the tool I use to collect the pictures of the neighborhood.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
We have been back in person at our Amenity Center for over a year now. Just recently a few of the vocal FB crowd (Negative People) is asking for us to do Zoom Meetings again. We have found them very unproductive in the past. We would get more participation but not sure how much it would help the board get through the agenda.

Some of the issues we had were that people would get on the Chat and ask questions and expect answers asap. They would make suggestions that were way out in Left field and wonder why it was not discussed. Then you would get other people cross talking answering the questions and it was usually a cluster. As the person running the meeting, I was unable to stop and read messages. If the other board members get into looking at the chat, they are not part of our discussion. Once the 20-minute comment section is over the board should not be taking questions from the guests. We also have a terrible echo in our center that would make a hybrid meeting almost impossible.

My stance on this topic is they have over 350,000 HOAs in the USA during Covid things had to change. We did what we needed at the time. IMO we are in a much different time now. Millions of people will be shoulder to shoulder high fiving each other this weekend at football games all across the USA. For the people with many risk factors (I have several) don't go to a game if you are worried. Let's face it board meeting only draw a minor crowd if you raise the dues otherwise it is hard to get a dozen people to join us.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
We do only zoom meetings. We have more owners listening to the meetings than ever at in person meetings.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
We do in person meetings. The main negative thing about Zoom is it takes no effort such as going to a meeting takes so more join in making the meetings take for ever. Some have been drinking and Zoom makes it easy for them to attend when they might not leave home to attend.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
meet quarterly, sometimes on zoom and sometimes in person. i prefer zoom, no one shows up and it cand be recorded so people who did not come can watch latter, though I doubt that happens.

vis ta vie
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Isn't this more about you wanting all directors to attend in person, MichaelT?

Since hardly any owners, if any at all attend JohnC's board meetings, I don't know where he's getting his info. In our hybrid meetings, About 1/2 of our attendees are in person & about 1/2 via Zoom. = 20-30 owners. There are no problems here Everyone can see everyone else except for the few times charts, etc. are shown.

For the board president, the mute button is a wonderful feature IF you have rude owners who interrupt, etc.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Mark brings up some great points. I think people make time for the things they really care about, and for some (many?), it doesn't take much effort to plop down in front of your computer or tablet and listen to a board meeting. You can make all the comments you want without anyone hearing (provided you're on mute), instead of showing up and disrupting the meeting with silliness (and then everyone can watch you get kicked out). And people are far bolder in talking smack online - if they had to face people, they might find saying the wrong thing to the wrong person won't end well.

I know lots of employers are pushing to a return to full-time office work for a variety of reasons, ranging from better customer service (because you can't hide from clients as easily) to supervisors who might not trust the employees to actually work. I was listening to the radio recently and heard a story about an employee (in the Netherlands, I think) who sued his former employer because he got ganned for refusing to turn on his camera during Zoom meetings. The employee said he "didn't feel comfortable being observed" (yes, he actually said this, although he was hired as a remote employee). Wound up with a $7500 judgement or something like that

Again, I say productivity is the key, but there should be room for some compromise. That should be as simple as saving Zoom meetings for bad weather (we are in fall, after all) and since Michael's community doesn't have a clubhouse to hold meetings anyway, this may actually be the best solution for them. As long as the community has the option to attend either way, that should work - especially if the president does his/her job and preside to keep the meeting moving. Even Zoom allows for phone participation only, which would be great for people who don't have internet access.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BrendaV (Arizona)
Posts: 1
Posted:
We are still having virtual meetings. Not only because of COVID but because we get a better turnout than we ever did with in person meetings. We have several snowbirds in our community and virtual meetings allow them to stay involved.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
My board doesn't want virtual meetings. We had one at the beginning of the pandemic and they didn't like it, so we have met in person since then. With 820 units we are lucky to get 10 people attend board meetings. I would like to have virtual meetings, but the rest of the board isn't tech savvy and don't use zoom at all because they are all retired, so they don't see the value.

I feel we would get more participation if we used zoom because we have about 30% snowbirds.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Those recent posts are good reasons to have Zoom or hybrid meetings. The Assn. benefits with increased participation as board meetings. In a large assn like Lori's attendance therefore overall participation in the assn. would be significant.

1. More owners learn more about their assn. and the reasons for various policies.

2. More owners become acquainted with other owners & board members

3. Learning more about their assn., more owners may become interested in joining committees or forming them.

4. Those who attend are more likely to vote for directors & to amend governing documents, which helps make quorum.

5. Attendees are more likely to become interesting in serving on the Board.

6. Landlords, about 25% of our owners + another sizable chunk who are 2nd home, i.e, part-time residents can & do attend.

NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Zoom. Snowbirds, people still at work, traveling for work, immune compromised can all attend.

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