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LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
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Augustin asked me to share some information about the homebuyer's education course my husband and I each had to take to satisfy one of the requirements for our lender. I previously posted on HOATalk that we were buying a new build in an HOA neighborhood. The course is set up for 1st time home buyers which we are clearly not but it's a lender requirement regardless. It was a free on-line course consisting of 7 modules. At the end of the course, we had to take a 15-question test and receive a score of at least 80%. It was administered through the Fannie Mae website. If you are interested in looking at the topics, you can google Fannie Mae and there is a link that takes you to the modules. It's basic stuff but I can see some value in it for home buyer newbies.

The course did discuss HOA's and the importance of knowing about them and that some fees will most likely be collected from the buyer on a regular basis.

I don't want to clutter this site with too much off-topic information except to say be as informed as possible when choosing a lender. The course touches on that topic as well. I am purposefully not naming the lender because of posting rules. It's not been a smooth experience. My Veteran husband is pretty disappointed in how we have been treated. We have had VA loans in the past but none as picky as this one.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Thank you, LayaS.

I see now these courses seem to be the rule lately. I wonder what's behind this. Something with legal force maybe?

I like that there's a test. The test is open book. Sample test:

=== Start Sample Test ===

All of these are essential for successful budgeting except:
a) adhering rigidly to your objectives and never making adjustments.

b) developing a good record-keeping system.

c) exercising willpower to prevent overspending.

d) setting realistic goals.

A successful budgeting plan will help:
a) financially protect families from unforeseen events such as unemployment, death, etc.

b) understand how and where money is being spent.

c) increase savings.

d) all of the above.

True or false: It's inevitable that budgeting will hinder enjoyment of life, forcing people to make financial sacrifices.
a) True

b) False

There are two types of credit: open-end credit and closed-end credit. The difference is:
a) open-end credit is not paid off yet.

b) closed-end credit is revolving credit.

c) open-end credit is ongoing with a limit on how much you may borrow (e.g., credit cards) and closed-end credit is a one-time, limited-basis loan (e.g., car loan).

d) all of the above.

Once the choices of properties are narrowed down, it's time to make the best choice. Which of the following can help make a sound, practical decision?
a) Property taxes.

b) School system.

c) Cost of utilities.

d) All of the above.

A typical example of a contingency that may appear on an Offer to Purchase is:
a) a requirement for an asbestos inspection or evidence that the property meets safety code requirements.

b) obtaining satisfactory well and septic tests.

c) a time frame within which a buyer must secure financing.

d) all of the above.

Which of the following is NOT true concerning a counteroffer proposal?
a) The seller may change some of the contingencies in the buyer's offer.

b) The buyer must agree with the seller's counteroffer.

c) The seller may choose to not include items such as appliances.

d) The seller may reject the counteroffer and sell to another buyer.

Which of the following would most likely influence the amount of the buyer's offer?
a) Number of other buyers.

b) Motivation of the seller.

c) Amount of necessary repairs.

d) All of the above.

If a borrower wants the security of a consistent monthly payment, which mortgage would be most suitable?
a) Fixed-rate.

b) Nonfixed-rate.

c) Interest-only.

d) None of the above.

True or false: The Annual Percentage Rate (APR) is typically higher than the interest rate because the APR includes points, interest and other finance charges.
a) True

b) False

True or false: The shorter a mortgage loan term, the lower the monthly payment.
a) True

b) False

True or false: Mortgage insurance can be cancelled.
a) True

b) False

A document that pledges your home as security for the loan is called the:
a) Closing Disclosure.

b) Mortgage.

c) Mortgage Note.

d) none of the above.

True or false: Buyers may need to bring their homeowner's insurance binder to issue a mortgage loan.
a) True

b) False

True or false: The closing officer's job is to ensure all necessary documents are signed and verified, and the money is properly distributed.
a) True

b) False

The following are typically involved at closing except:
a) appraiser.

b) closing officer.

c) buyer.

d) attorney.

Which is NOT true about homeowner's insurance?
a) It's required to get a mortgage loan.

b) It's good practice to periodically review coverage levels to ensure the home is adequately protected.

c) Lenders will always escrow money from a mortgage payment each month to set aside money for homeowner's insurance.

d) If a lender doesn't escrow money reserved for homeowner's insurance, a buyer will have to budget and save for it.

Eventually, most homeowners will need to employ:
a) an electrician.

b) a plumber.

c) a carpenter.

d) all of the above.

Some of the important maintenance checks you should periodically perform in your home include:
a) cleaning gutters, checking exposed wiring for wear or damage.

b) changing furnace filters, closing windows when it rains.

c) checking caulking for decay, checking foundation for cracks or crumbling.

d) all of the above.

True or false: Repairs that occur after signing the closing documents are the previous homeowners' responsibility.
a) True

b) False

=== End Sample Test ===

I took it closed book, without the course, as a senior citizen who has owned a few homes now. I missed four or so questions. (Really, an attorney is typically involved at closing? That's what the authors of the test claim. Maybe things have changed since my last transaction in 2019.) I still passed and have the certificate to prove it. The grading is too generous.

Still, for a person who is new to home buying and ownership, I can see how this course would be useful. The test of course teaches as much as it gages knowledge.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I'd like to see more of this sort of education for buyers in community associations, especially condos since it's a more complicated form of ownership. I think that first time buyers can be surprised by the extent to which others are in their personal business.

Re: choosing a lender, new builders may make financing available through an affiliated lender. If the builder has a good reputation, then the lender will also probably be good - and their lender may offer attractive rates as well as a smooth experience since they work together all the time. Buying a home that's under construction has its own quirks, and it helps that a lender is knowledgeable about the process.

Bottom line, though: *everybody* in a real estate transaction will have some level of conflict of interest. Everyone besides the buyer benefits from maximizing the sale price, including the realtor who acts as the buyer's agent. Buyers need to evaluate any advice they get with this in mind.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By AugustinD on 10/04/2022 12:03 PM

... much snippage ...

I took it closed book, without the course, as a senior citizen who has owned a few homes now. I missed four or so questions. (Really, an attorney is typically involved at closing? That's what the authors of the test claim. Maybe things have changed since my last transaction in 2019.) I still passed and have the certificate to prove it. The grading is too generous.

Still, for a person who is new to home buying and ownership, I can see how this course would be useful. The test of course teaches as much as it gages knowledge.

I did as well. I agree that the test was maybe too easy for us grizzled veterans, but for people who haven't had to deal with this before, I think it's valuable.

I also disagreed about some of the answers. I've bought three homes, refinanced twice, and there were no lawyers involved. However, all three were new construction purchased from the builder/developer using their standard contracts - I can see the value of involving a lawyer if you're buying a re-sale. Also thought some of the questions were a bit misleading - for example the one about mortgage insurance. Generally you have no choice since it's based on the ratio of loan amount/purchase price. But it's not a life sentence - once your equity in the home rises above 20% (last time I looked) you can re-finance and drop the insurance.

But overall, I'm happy to see efforts like this.
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
Posted:
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Posted By CathyA3 on 10/04/2022 1:04 PM
I'd like to see more of this sort of education for buyers in community associations, especially condos since it's a more complicated form of ownership. I think that first time buyers can be surprised by the extent to which others are in their personal business.

Re: choosing a lender, new builders may make financing available through an affiliated lender. If the builder has a good reputation, then the lender will also probably be good - and their lender may offer attractive rates as well as a smooth experience since they work together all the time. Buying a home that's under construction has its own quirks, and it helps that a lender is knowledgeable about the process.

Bottom line, though: *everybody* in a real estate transaction will have some level of conflict of interest. Everyone besides the buyer benefits from maximizing the sale price, including the realtor who acts as the buyer's agent. Buyers need to evaluate any advice they get with this in mind.

To explain a little further, the new development advertises several lender options. Back in December, We chose one of the recommended lenders. Then the interest rates started rising in February and March and I got nervous about how high they would go. The first lender we contacted wasn't very responsive to our concerns about interest rates so I researched some home loan programs in Nebraska and found a Veterans program (for Nebraska veterans only) and found the particular program that benefited us with lower interest rates. There is just more paperwork involved and in reality, targeted more for first time home buying veterans. I was naive to the fact that our lender was not very knowledgeable about the particulars of the program. It seemed to be "learn as you go" from the lender. The underwriters are very particular about documenting this and that. Perhaps that is what is required for the program. I suppose at some point some federal auditors will make sure every t is crossed and every i dotted. Like I said, it is a sign of the times and the housing market continues to have lots of unknowns.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Tho' quite a ways off from the purpose of this forum, I'll add that some states seem to require attorneys. We had to use them in NY & in NC. don't recall about Fla. They aren't required in CA where folks called title officers or escrow officers handle closings.
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 10/04/2022 2:06 PM
Tho' quite a ways off from the purpose of this forum, I'll add that some states seem to require attorneys. We had to use them in NY & in NC. don't recall about Fla. They aren't required in CA where folks called title officers or escrow officers handle closings.

Yes Kerry, it is a bit off-topic but not WAY off from the forum's purpose. Learning about the current home buying process certainly sparked a little interest.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
I think like a sixth of each test should be HOA/COA questions.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Each lender is different. Federally backed loans like your Fannie Mae's or Freddie Mac's tend to have more paperwork/requirements. FHA loans is a whole other monster. VA loans they kind of run the gambit. I qualified for one as it offered a lower payment. Once I did apples to oranges, I found the FHA was a better option. I also choose to use the Builder's lender. Felt it was just easier to process it. Plus they offered some incentives for using them.

It's good for people to be educated on house purchasing no matter how experience you are. I remember buying my second house. There was really a lot of "trickery" done by the lenders back then. They really were trying to get anyone into a house. Did not matter if they got them in loans that would explode exponentially after they locked in.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I took a first time homebuyer's class and it remains one of the smartest things I've ever done. Ours didn't have an exam. (that may have changed) but in addition to required classes, we're were assigned a counselor and the first thing they did was to run your credit report to see if you were even ready to buy a house. If you weren't, they'd explain why, help you set up an action plan and then review it with you every few months to check your progress.

Your hubby may be a little peeved at the extra steps, but he may find himself thanking them down the road because you were able to go in with your eyes wide open on what HOA living means. This is one area I wished my program addressed in more detail, especially in reviewing an HOA's financial statements.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Excuse my lack of clarity, Layla. I meant my addition about not very state requiring attorneys to close transactions was off topic.
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
Posted:
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Posted By SheliaH on 10/04/2022 5:12 PM
I took a first time homebuyer's class and it remains one of the smartest things I've ever done. Ours didn't have an exam. (that may have changed) but in addition to required classes, we're were assigned a counselor and the first thing they did was to run your credit report to see if you were even ready to buy a house. If you weren't, they'd explain why, help you set up an action plan and then review it with you every few months to check your progress.

Your hubby may be a little peeved at the extra steps, but he may find himself thanking them down the road because you were able to go in with your eyes wide open on what HOA living means. This is one area I wished my program addressed in more detail, especially in reviewing an HOA's financial statements.

Just to clarify, this is our 6th home purchase and we are not new to the home buying process. We each had to take the course and test which both of us passed with 100%. To be sure, the home buying process is much more complex these days. The documentation we had to produce was way more than we ever had to provide with previous purchases. The most annoying and perhaps funniest part was when they asked us to explain why there was a monthly withdrawal from our checking account to ________ Rentals and to show that we paid September's mortgage payment. Even though one of the first questions on the application was do you currently rent or own.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful because we are benefitting from a lower interest rate than what is currently offered.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
A lot of new regulations were enacted after the financial meltdown in 2008, and yes a borrower has to document everything.

True story: a couple was getting ready to close on their new home (purchased from my employer, which is how I know about this). The couple had downsized, were living in a small apartment until their new home was finished, and the weekend before closing the wife was *bored to death*. She decided to go shopping, visited a well-down department store, decided to buy a $50 garment, and succumbed to pressure at the register to get a store branded charge card. Hey, she saved $10!!! And as a result closing on the home was postponed since the loan had to go through underwriting again because of the new line of credit. Much consternation, much aggravation, movers cancelled, notified landlord that they couldn't move yet (and fortunately the landlord could accommodate them), etc. etc.

We now include a line in our instructions to buyers: After your loan has gone through underwriting, DO NOT OPEN A NEW LINE OF CREDIT until after you have closed on your new home.

Unrelated to this but because of the increasingly savvy scammers, our buyers must use wire transfers to close on their homes - no cashier's checks or other form of money. And even that isn't 100% safe: one buyer of ours clicked on a link that they shouldn't have, and scammers intercepted the wire transfer. Fortunately these buyers had enough additional funds to close on their home with only a slight delay. But we now include warnings about phishing and other dastardly deeds on our instructions to buyers.

It's a crazy ol' world.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
When I built my new house things changed. Also no longer could write a check at closing. All wire transfer only. Had to pre arrange that days ahead to make sure there by closing day. Otherwise would have effected closing.

Found building a home a different experience than buying an existing home. Was lucky enough to be able to live in my existing house while waiting the year for the house to finish. Strange to sign paperwork for a house no keys or foundation.

Also because the price of lumber shot up. There were legal clauses for some builders to pass on that expense onto the buyer at closing. One builder cancelled all their contracts and gave buyers 72 hours to cough up an additional 20K to hold onto the house. I missed that by 2 weeks. That builder got sued a bunch of times over it. The fine line made it legal what they did.

Former HOA President
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 10/05/2022 6:08 AM
A lot of new regulations were enacted after the financial meltdown in 2008, and yes a borrower has to document everything.

True story: a couple was getting ready to close on their new home (purchased from my employer, which is how I know about this). The couple had downsized, were living in a small apartment until their new home was finished, and the weekend before closing the wife was *bored to death*. She decided to go shopping, visited a well-down department store, decided to buy a $50 garment, and succumbed to pressure at the register to get a store branded charge card. Hey, she saved $10!!! And as a result closing on the home was postponed since the loan had to go through underwriting again because of the new line of credit. Much consternation, much aggravation, movers cancelled, notified landlord that they couldn't move yet (and fortunately the landlord could accommodate them), etc. etc.

We now include a line in our instructions to buyers: After your loan has gone through underwriting, DO NOT OPEN A NEW LINE OF CREDIT until after you have closed on your new home.

Unrelated to this but because of the increasingly savvy scammers, our buyers must use wire transfers to close on their homes - no cashier's checks or other form of money. And even that isn't 100% safe: one buyer of ours clicked on a link that they shouldn't have, and scammers intercepted the wire transfer. Fortunately these buyers had enough additional funds to close on their home with only a slight delay. But we now include warnings about phishing and other dastardly deeds on our instructions to buyers.

It's a crazy ol' world.


Cathy, Thanks for sharing that.

And the beat goes on. Cathy you may know this since you are in the business, the VA requires pre-treating for termites on a new build, not just an inspection but a pre-treatment. It is usually done to the soil before construction. Our builder was not aware of this VA requirement so this process was not done. So last Friday our brand new home was pre-treated for termites by drilling into the foundation and inserting the chemicals. I was a bit stunned by that requirement as was our builder. Maybe it's a good preventative. By VA rules, he has to pay for it. He also has to receive a specific ID from the VA which required him to submit extra paperwork. This is what is holding us up now. He has not yet received this ID from the VA. I'm uncertain about the whys and wherefores of this except it has something to do with the builder using energy efficient standards. The underwriter did accept our home buyer's education certificates but that came into question too. At first they said it was not a HUD approved course. It was on the list the lender sent to us as a choice to fulfill that requirement. Yikes! I sure hope nothing else puts a kink in the underwriting and closing.

I keep reminding myself that we are not in Florida. It could be so much worse. We will eventually have a very nice, new house to move in to. I am blessed.
AugustinD
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Posted By LayaS on 10/05/2022 6:47 AM
Cathy you may know this since you are in the business, the VA requires pre-treating for termites on a new build, not just an inspection but a pre-treatment. It is usually done to the soil before construction. Our builder was not aware of this VA requirement so this process was not done. So last Friday our brand new home was pre-treated for termites by drilling into the foundation and inserting the chemicals. I was a bit stunned by that requirement as was our builder. Maybe it's a good preventative. By VA rules, he has to pay for it. He also has to receive a specific ID from the VA which required him to submit extra paperwork. This is what is holding us up now. He has not yet received this ID from the VA. I'm uncertain about the whys and wherefores of this except it has something to do with the builder using energy efficient standards. The underwriter did accept our home buyer's education certificates but that came into question too. At first they said it was not a HUD approved course. It was on the list the lender sent to us as a choice to fulfill that requirement.
I am not per se anti-regulation. But I feel like things are getting out of control. It's not like all the regulation is going to stop the over-supply of money hungry, law school debt-ridden attorneys from filing suit.

My one experience with a purchase agreement where the buyer had been approved with a VA loan was awful. Two days before closing, the lender disqualified the buyer. They would not admit why. My realtor thought the stupid lender had not incorporated the $40 per month HOA assessment into its calculations to determine whether the buyer was qualified.

Thank you for sharing.
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
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Update: Finally got a closing date scheduled for next Wednesday. Crossing my fingers the lender doesn't throw us a curve ball between now and then.

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