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JenniferD8 (Michigan)
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Hi all,
My condo association hired a property management company in January 2022. Our fiscal year is October 2021-September 30, 2022.

When the property management company came onboard, it was uncovered that the treasurer had been misusing association funds for personal use. He paid back the thousands of dollars and the board decided not to prosecute.

No in depth audit was completed or has been completed for over a decade even though our bylaws state an audit is required every 5 years.

The monthly dues account for this fiscal year is under budget by @ $29,000. From October-January, it was already under budget by $24,000 which was quite alarming. Ive been questioning the board at each meeting and they brush me off. I sent an email to the property management company and they stated that the shortage is due to changing from a cash basis to accrual basis accounting. They said they didn't have enough information from the year ending 9-30-21 and the first quarter to make the proper adjustment. They said the $24,000 could be from prepayments.

Does this explanation make sense?

We have our annual meeting next week and the board wants residents to vote if they want an audit, a financial review or opt out.

Does this explanation make sense? I've requested to view the last audit, but I don't believe one has ever been done (ie 40 years)
MaxB4
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As I see it, you have two issues, one going from self managed and two, changing from cash basis to accrual or a modified cash accrual, If the financial paperwork during the transition is lacking, it will take some time to unravel. If you haven't done a independent review in a long time, a forensic audit might what bis needed and they will cost about $4000.00.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Jennifer,

The change in methodology can cause some issues.
Most people can understand cash basis, as this is what most households use.
Accrual basis is different and can be confusing.

I agree with Max that an audit is due. I'm not sure you need a forensic audit. This should be done by a cpa chosen by the board not by the management company.

See:

Accrual Accounting vs. Cash Basis Accounting: What's the Difference?

GUIDE TO UNDERSTANDING COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION FINANCIAL REPORTS

JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
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I appreciate the insight! I agree that the accrual basis method is confusing from the cash basis method. I guess what keeps tripping me up is the fact that an annual review was done for October 1, 2020 - September 30, 2021. I realize the financial review is a very basic overview, but it showed the equivalent of only 3 residents that hadn't paid their monthly fees for the fiscal year. Then, the property management company posts the financials for October 1, 2021 - January 1, 2022 and we suddenly are delinquent by $23,000.
MaxB4
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Tim,

Where did I imply that a CPA should be chosen by a management company. Their problems were caused by a board member or mboard members?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 5:43 AM
Tim,

Where did I imply that a CPA should be chosen by a management company. Their problems were caused by a board member or mboard members?

You didn't.
You didn't specify one way or the other.
Hence I did.
MaxB4
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Posted By TimB4 on 09/30/2022 8:10 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 5:43 AM
Tim,

Where did I imply that a CPA should be chosen by a management company. Their problems were caused by a board member or mboard members?


You didn't.
You didn't specify one way or the other.
Hence I did.

My understanding, maybe I have been wrong, that a management company will help look for a vendor, but ultimately, it is supposed to be the board that chooses them.
AugustinD
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 09/29/2022 8:10 PM
Hi all,
My condo association hired a property management company in January 2022. Our fiscal year is October 2021-September 30, 2022.
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The monthly dues account for this fiscal year is under budget by @ $29,000. From October-January, it was already under budget by $24,000 which was quite alarming. Ive been questioning the board at each meeting and they brush me off. I sent an email to the property management company and they stated that the shortage is due to changing from a cash basis to accrual basis accounting. They said they didn't have enough information from the year ending 9-30-21 and the first quarter to make the proper adjustment. They said the $24,000 could be from prepayments.
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We have our annual meeting next week and the board wants residents to vote if they want an audit, a financial review or opt out.
-- I hear you that accounting has been changed from cash basis to accrual basis. I wonder if you meant "modified accrual basis." Do confirm exactly what method the new management is using.

-- What exactly is the financial statement at which you are looking when you speak of the "monthly dues account"? In your opinion, exactly what should this account reflect at any point in time?

-- In the context of accrual basis accounting, exactly what (if anything) should the "monthly dues account" reflect at any point in time?

-- Respectfully, I think it's possible you need to study up on the meaning of the following terms, which pertain to the balance sheet, usually in accrual basis accounting and not cash basis accounting: "Assessments Receivable" (in the assets section of the balance sheet) and "Prepaid Assessments" (in the liabilities section of the balance sheet). An introduction: https://clarksimsonmiller.com/hoa-accounting-financial-statements-overview/

-- JenniferD8, out of curiosity at my end: Do the COA's governing documents give owners the power to require a professional check of the books, and also the choice (by owners) of which kind of financial check to use? I am not against it. Maybe such a check makes a lot of sense with the change in management and change in accounting methods.

AugustinD
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 09/29/2022 8:10 PM
Hi all,
My condo association hired a property management company in January 2022. Our fiscal year is October 2021-September 30, 2022.
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The monthly dues account for this fiscal year is under budget by @ $29,000. From October-January, it was already under budget by $24,000 which was quite alarming. ... I sent an email to the property management company and they stated that the shortage is due to changing from a cash basis to accrual basis accounting. They said they didn't have enough information from the year ending 9-30-21 and the first quarter to make the proper adjustment. They said the $24,000 could be from prepayments.

Does this explanation make sense?
A few observations:

-- From October-January, the (former) management company was using the cash basis accounting. When you say "From October-January, [the monthly dues account] was already under budget by $24,000", are you referring to what the (cash basis) balance sheet for the former management company said? If so, I caution the OP against thinking line items from the HOA's cash basis accounting are going to have the same meaning, dollar-wise or literally, as the line items for the HOA's new accrual basis accounting.

-- It appears there is concern that some $20,000+plus has gone missing. If I were in the OP's shoes, and as the new management company suggested, then the first thing I would check is what amount appears on the "Prepaid Assessments" line of the balance sheets. The Prepaid Assessments amount reflects money that, yes, should already be in the HOA's bank account but, per the financial statements for accrual basis accounting, is not yet counted as revenue to the HOA. Accrual basis accounting shifts "Prepaid Assessments" to revenue only after the date of invoicing for the assessments arrives. In other words, accrual basis accounting does not count prepaid assessments as income until the HOA actually "earns" the income. Said "date of earning" being, I presume, the date of invoicing (or the date the assessments come due).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Jennifer
Going Cash Basis to Accrual Basis (probably a Modified Accrual) can be confusing. Few people can read an Accrual Statement as easy as a Cash Statement. I know it was for us when we switched as per our MC/Accountant request. I suggest your ask your BOD. Do not accuse. Just question.
MaxB4
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Prior to hiring the property manager, wad your property self managed.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 12:43 PM
Prior to hiring the property manager, wad your property self managed.

Clarify to whom you are asking. In our association, our Declarant/developer used a cash basis. When we hired an MC, they said we should change to an Accrual Basis as that is what financial/accountant people prefer. We did so.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 12:43 PM
Prior to hiring the property manager, wad your property self managed.

Clarify to whom you are asking. In our association, our Declarant/developer used a cash basis. When we hired an MC, they said we should change to an Accrual Basis as that is what financial/accountant people prefer. We did so.
MaxB4
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Posted By JohnC46 on 09/30/2022 1:26 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 12:43 PM
Prior to hiring the property manager, wad your property self managed.


Clarify to whom you are asking. In our association, our Declarant/developer used a cash basis. When we hired an MC, they said we should change to an Accrual Basis as that is what financial/accountant people prefer. We did so.

The question was to Jennifer. It appears they went from self managed to managed and are lacking much of the financial information based on the episode with the past treasurer. Most management companies I know of will use a Modified Cash/Accrual Basis accounting system.

I get a laugh when someone googles the question and then explain that to the OP without actually having experience. Just funny.
LetA (Nevada)
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The short answer is, YES you need a forensic audit.
AugustinD
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The most interesting part of this thread is how "Prepaid Assessments" and shift from cash basis to accrual basis did not leap out at a certain someone.

Ten bucks says the OP (and possibly one other person in this thread) does not understand how "prepaid assessments" are accounted for in an accrual basis system.

The sword is thrown down, buck-o. Put up or shut up.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
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Hi all,

To answer some of the questions, our association was self-managed prior to a property management company being hired. The property management company stated that they use the accrual basis method.

Our property management company issues the balance sheet each month, but a line item of Prepaid Assessments doesn't exist. Under Assets, there's a line item of Prepaid Operating Expenses and then under Liabilities & Capitals, there's a line item of Prepaids. Is it safe to guess that Prepaids under Liabilities & Capital would be moved to Assets for next month?
MaxB4
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Posted By AugustinD on 09/30/2022 1:55 PM
The most interesting part of this thread is how "Prepaid Assessments" and shift from cash basis to accrual basis did not leap out at a certain someone.

Ten bucks says the OP (and possibly one other person in this thread) does not understand how "prepaid assessments" are accounted for in an accrual basis system.

The sword is thrown down, buck-o. Put up or shut up.

I know you weren't referencing me, as I do this for a living. I have been using Modified Cash Accrual for the past 14 year. Prepaid Assessments are a liability until the invoice is due and then they become income. Prepaid Assessments can be an owner paying a year in advance or if paying for the next month, the check is deposited prior to the invoice date.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
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For an audit or financial review, our bylaws state a review is required annually with an audit every five years. In reaching out to the association, it appears an audit hasn't been completed since 2014 or never. The records aren't readily available even though the development has been around for 40 years. It hasn't been officially stated, but I'm getting the impression that the extreasurer isn't being cooperative in handing over all the documents.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
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Thanks MaxB4 -- that's helpful. In that case, the prepaids are appearing each month ranging from $14,000 - $22,000.
MaxB4
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 09/30/2022 2:06 PM
Hi all,

To answer some of the questions, our association was self-managed prior to a property management company being hired. The property management company stated that they use the accrual basis method.

Our property management company issues the balance sheet each month, but a line item of Prepaid Assessments doesn't exist. Under Assets, there's a line item of Prepaid Operating Expenses and then under Liabilities & Capitals, there's a line item of Prepaids. Is it safe to guess that Prepaids under Liabilities & Capital would be moved to Assets for next month?

As I suspected, some of your issues are going to be from acquiring complete financials from the individual(s) who were handling the finances of the community.

You would only have Prepaid Operating Expenses if you had accrual for both Income and Expense. If an association deposited an owners check prior to the date due, it would zero out on the 1st of the month. If an owner prepaid for the whole year, only the amount for the upcoming month would be taken out. The rest stays as a Prepaid Assessment.
AugustinD
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 09/30/2022 2:06 PM
Our property management company issues the balance sheet each month, but a line item of Prepaid Assessments doesn't exist. Under Assets, there's a line item of Prepaid Operating Expenses and then under Liabilities & Capitals, there's a line item of Prepaids. Is it safe to guess that Prepaids under Liabilities & Capital would be moved to Assets for next month?
I would expect that at least some portion of the Prepaids under Liabilities & Capital would move to Assets next month.

I concur with MaxB4's statement: "If an owner prepaid for the whole year, only the amount for the upcoming month would be taken out. The rest stays as a Prepaid Assessment."
AugustinD
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Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 2:12 PM
I know you weren't referencing me, as I do this for a living. I have been using Modified Cash Accrual for the past 14 year. Prepaid Assessments are a liability until the invoice is due and then they become income. Prepaid Assessments can be an owner paying a year in advance or if paying for the next month, the check is deposited prior to the invoice date.
I was absolutely, 100%, spot-on, referencing you.
MaxB4
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Posted By AugustinD on 09/30/2022 5:27 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 2:12 PM
I know you weren't referencing me, as I do this for a living. I have been using Modified Cash Accrual for the past 14 year. Prepaid Assessments are a liability until the invoice is due and then they become income. Prepaid Assessments can be an owner paying a year in advance or if paying for the next month, the check is deposited prior to the invoice date.
I was absolutely, 100%, spot-on, referencing you.

The difference being, I can do it from memory, you have to Google for the answer.
AugustinD
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I do not know if the problem here is the accrual basis's Prepaid Assessments end so on. But the Prepaid Assessments line of the Balance statement is one I would look at closely and see how it fits in with the monthly dues account numbers.
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Posted By MaxB4 on 09/30/2022 8:40 PM
The difference being, I can do it from memory, you have to Google for the answer.
Based on your first five posts to this thread, there are no signs that you even saw one of the most obvious candidate explanations here. You had to have it pointed out to you.

I will take my 25 year old accounting course plus a google review plus way superior math skills plus way superior reading comprehension skills over your evident ninth grade (at most) math skills, Math SAT score of 400 or less, and repeatedly demonstrated inability to read, focus and think through any problem, any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

AugustinD
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JenniferD8, are you on the board?*
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 09/30/2022 2:13 PM
For an audit or financial review, our bylaws state a review is required annually with an audit every five years. In reaching out to the association, it appears an audit hasn't been completed since 2014 or never.
If I were an owner there, and given the history with the former treasurer, I would ask the board to comply with the bylaws' requirement and post haste, or else. Maybe point this out at the owners' meeting that the owners cannot override the bylaws by voting as described in the first post here.

With the board and as needed, consider using what I call a "demand letter lite," followed by letters that escalate in tone, preferably signed by as many owners as possible.

Expect retaliation.

Of course the audit is going to cost a lot of money. Tough. Everyone bought into the COA / HOA with the understanding that an audit would occur every five years. Serious improprieties by the treasurer took place. The audit needs to happen.

If the board wants the bylaws change, then it can initiate a vote for an amendment. Until then the Board needs to shut up and arrange for the audit.

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