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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I just got a 2nd notice from the HOA that I am in violation for "Weeds and Edging". Mind you at the 1st notice my edger was broken and was in process of getting it fixed. However, my neighbor did me a solid and edged. My front yard was edged along with my neighbors. A few days later I was able to edge my driveway. (Not good but edged). My flower bed still has pine straw which is what the rules said had to be in the beds. Plus I planted some Mint to keep bugs out. It's not "pretty" by no means but it's NOT weedy by no means. I even just installed edging around them.

While I was ticked off about this, I saw another post from a neighbor stating they got a violation for leaving garbage cans out. Mind you they have Ring cams. It's on tape they did not leave them out. Another neighbor stated they got a violation for someone parking in front of their house. They did not know who parked there nor was it in front of their house.

Now our addresses are kind of "jacked up". They do not follow any kind of "odd left/even right". It's pretty scattered random numbers. Something explained to the PM before. I don't understand their logic then on how they are writing people up for violations that are NOT their property. They are not including any pictures in their notices.

I sent them pictures showing my yard is edged (clearly) and NO weeds. Plus included my mailbox in one of the pictures. My other neighbor is sending them pics from their Ring Cam. From what I understand they still wrote the other people up for the parking violation.

What do you think should be done? Need to talk to the boss? It's frustrating as I ran an HOA for a few years. None of which these violations would have been written up or fined for. You show proof and it's done. This MC isn't listening even with proof.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Melissa,

You know what to do next.
Contact the developer/board directly.

As you know, it's best to have others with you with the same issue.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Thanks Tim... The Developer is not my builder. We have no idea who is really on the "board". It's just not the owners. I read the documents and they are already written pretty badly. Plus doesn't help we are basically in the same county but different cities. Just to ADD to that confusion.

Plus the current MC person doesn't go by the rules. Me and the other owners under our builder was given a different set of definitions. Such as the fences must be Wood and shadow boxed. The flower beds are to be pine mulch. The other developer people have replaced their pine mulch. Plus that MC told me it doesn't matter the type of fence installed as long as stained "brown". So far it's been a mess as she insist there were no such definitions. (I can't find my copy off hand but read them before closing).

I did find my "mistake". Did not see where the first notice had "10 days to respond". Which I did not do as I was NOT in violation in the first place. Plus if I was it was fixed within a few days. So I did not even respond because if someone had done a 2nd visit they would have SEEN had corrected it. The 2nd notice states again a 10 day notice to respond or face a fine. The notice post marked 3 days ago... This time I sent in the pictures and asked "Where???".

Maybe I was to have replied at the first notice? I just did not see the point if I knew the 2nd revisit would have resolved the issue. They still sent no pictures... Keep in mind my neighbors grass next door was the one that put Fescue down on Berumuda. It was bright green all year long. It is now very patchy. Have not heard a word of them getting violations...

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Given that the names of board members are being kept secret form Owners, one way to find out is to NOT cure your violation. Assuming your documents & AL statutes permit you to make your case at a hearing of the board, you would get to see who they are. Might be fun!

I'm pretty sure I cu item for you a few months ago that the names of board members of non-profits must be available to "members." That would be you.

Are members (Owners) allowed to attend board meetings in your HOA?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Still developer controlled. Their names are on the CC&Rs. However, they use the PM office to do everything. Last round had to go the owner of the MC. I tried to find the HOA people listed. It is very confusing as the documents are written very wrong. They have the wrong city listed. So after that hard to follow. Plus the two different developers does not help.

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KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Translation, please: " Last round had to go the owner of the MC."
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I have to say, that Melissa's experience here is a very strong warning to carefully read your various documents before you close the transaction on purchasing any property, especially in an HOA.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I did read them. I also follow them. The issue is the MC Rep is not. Do not think they know what they even say. They manage several properties. I know another HOA fired them because of this person. I wish ours would to. The boss or owner seems to have a grasp on things. This rep is just horrible.

Apparently you are to respond in 10 days what your plan of action is. Obviously they do nothing to check and verify before sending the second notice. So because I did not respond that meant I get a second notice. That is NOT how you manage unless your lazy.

Former HOA President
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 09/24/2022 2:00 PM
I just got a 2nd notice from the HOA that I am in violation for "Weeds and Edging"
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Now our addresses are kind of "jacked up". They do not follow any kind of "odd left/even right". It's pretty scattered random numbers. Something explained to the PM before. I don't understand their logic then on how they are writing people up for violations that are NOT their property. They are not including any pictures in their notices.

I sent them pictures showing my yard is edged (clearly) and NO weeds. Plus included my mailbox in one of the pictures. My other neighbor is sending them pics from their Ring Cam. From what I understand they still wrote the other people up for the parking violation.
You indicated subsequently that you ignored the first notice; that the first notice had a deadline for response; that you had ignored the first notice; and that now you know better. At least, I too suspect ignoring the first notice was the mistake. (I would just assume the owners are having to educate the PM some and that's life.)

Hopefully your response to the second notice fixes things. I would wait and see.

Did you write the PM about the address problem? If not, send another communication explaining this.

I think I would start sending these communications certified mail, return receipt requested, or ask for "confirmation of receipt" of any email you sent.

I suggest: Document everything while you owners get this PM "trained."
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The PM "Representative" ONLY communicates by email. Plus believe has certain days of the week she decides to reply. We don't have a clue when they are going to do a "drive by". Guess this one was the 20th? If so, then you could clearly see edging was installed, edging was done, and the "weeds" are actual plants. 1st year plantings and the flower beds still have rocks/construction debris in them. I basically have to ammend the soil at this point to make anything survive. I hate the bushes they planted but letting them grow out so I can properly shape them one day.

Another reason I did not respond is that me and her got into a cussing fight last time. Keep in mind I worked customer service for 20+ years so takes a LOT to put me in full "Karen" mode. Ended up having to talk to her boss to calm me down. Why in the world they would keep this person is beyond me. Must be a relative at this point.

It is just another reason IMO we need to get rid of this horrible PM. I am already starting to look into other options for PM's when we turn over. What I know about the current PM company it's whom they are "in bed with" in this town. There are certain builders in our area that are in bed with each other. Which do not have the best reputation but hands in the pockets of everyone. (One charges an addition 3% charge on all purchases in a shopping center they own). Hoping we can operate ourselves or find one not in their pockets.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Hmmm, I'm thinking you might want to read the contract with the MC, Melissa. It might be really interesting.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Did not read the contract but the CC&R's. Which I paid attention to the names on the filers and references. It was a mess considering that they listed us in another city. 2 streets are another city. Reason being that city is the hot spot for everything. The other city not as much.

I wanted to question them about a few things. However they seemed to hire the PM to filter people out. Plus two different developers. They both have different standards. The one that owns the HOA is the worst builder. My builder is the better one. They hate the PM as well.

Right now I am stuck with this PM rep it seems. Knowing other HOAs have fired them because of her just adds to frustration.

Maybe I do need to strap up my old President panties and take charge? I was trying to just close my door and pay my dues. Ignore the violations as not mine. Now I see how they do business. May need to take it up.

Honestly who runs an HOA by sending out violation without pictures? Plus does not check if corrected? Instead it seems they make you do their job. Myself we sent out a letter and talked to you about the violation. Quoted the rule in the docs. Would go review it directly to give feedback.

Btw. The mint they want to call weeds. If you just come near it or brush against it the smell hits you. So it is clearly not a weed not does it fill up the area yet. The lack of rain prevented planting this year

Former HOA President
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Isn't the developer still in control?

If so, I am not sure why you are talking about getting on the board.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Developer still in charge. I am talking convincing them to fire the PM or force them to change the Rep. So far she has approved things that are against the standards. Point them out and she pops attitude. It is like they blind to her tricks. I see right through them.

She is the one that told me to get my neighbors approval to install my fence. The very one I had approval for prior to my neighbors with no permission putting theirs up. Told me I could put my fence besides theirs. Uhm maybe come out and see they put up fences without knowledge or approval first?

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Still think you should rad the contract with the MC. Why wouldn't you want that knowledge?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I am afraid that when under Declarant/Builder it is not uncommon for them to approve things, even if against Covenants, to sell homes.
LayaS (Nebraska)
Posts: 249
Posted:
Melissa,

You should have known some of the pitfalls of buying into a developer-controlled HOA. I have no sympathy for you. Particularly after you were so certain that I would be in violation of my covenants for erecting a temporary no-dig fence. I will be moving into my new home next week and you can be sure that one of the first things I will do is install the fence. So stop your whining and contact the board. You made a big mistake by not contacting them after the first letter you received.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Update with my sympathy seeking self because we all know that is what I am about... It is not about the incompetent work the MC does.

I sent the pictures in. Asked where is the violation? Explained the current situation as corrected.The response? I manage over 2000 houses what is your address? Mind you I took a picture of my mailbox with the address on it... Gave her the address and she said would check into it.

Not sure what had to be checked in to. It is obvious from the pics nothing is wrong.

Oh and I mentioned the grass was treated with weed killer in preparation for expanding a flower bed to the side. So that will look yellow till the ground softens to dig. She sent me a form to fill out for approval! I am like??? It is just a simple rounding the existing flower bed to the side 2 feet!

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 09/28/2022 6:02 AM

She sent me a form to fill out for approval! I am like??? It is just a simple rounding the existing flower bed to the side 2 feet!

And you, having been on this site for many years, understand that such action would be considered a change to the exterior of the property.

Agree with the requirement on this action or not, there have been many posts where members have failed to obtain permission for something small that the Association blew into something big.

I suspect your governing documents, like most, require prior approval for exterior changes.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I read my docs. The flower beds just say must have pine straw. Which mine has. My other neighbors I know have replaced all their flower beds with other items. I am pretty sure not one got permission from the HOA.

I also did not spray the weed killer in that area until after getting the notices about my weeds. So I went and killed anything that could look like a weed. The area I was talking about is one I am not able to weed eat. Hence why making it a bed extension. It is where my cable, electrical, and ground cable sticks out. That may be the only area that could look weedy. Just the grass is higher not weed.

I will apply for permission when ready to do the project. This year the lack of rain has made it impossible.

Former HOA President

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