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LauraG8 (California)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Our 24-unit complex has board elections coming up October 3rd. I’m currently the VP. I sent out an email to the Board and HOA mgmt asking if we should have already received ballots for the upcoming election (nomination forms went out mid Aug w/several nominations). Received a response from another board member that “Doug” (from the company we hire to handle our elections) told her we “don’t need ballots this year since the Board was determined by acclamation.” What?? Last board meeting, 3 members of the board specifically said they might not be able to serve!

I emailed HOA mgmt asking if she knew that someone had decided there be no ballots *this year and, if so, exactly when she knew that. NO response.

This board and its HOA management have done several things illegally (in violation of our CC&Rs) in the past, all to save a little money, but which have cost the Association a great deal of money in the end! Many homeowners have expressed anger/displeasure with both the current Board and HOA mgmt. And now that we have an opportunity to make some necessary changes, I find out that no ballots will be sent out this year?

Does anyone have a take as what might be going on??
Thank you for anyone who might be able to shed some light on this for me.
MeganH1 (California)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Hi Laura, sorry to read you're dealing with that.

My HOA recently had some similar issues when new law changes regarding elections went into effect on Jan 1, 2020. It removed the option for associations that weren't huge (I think 500 members? Don't quote me) like yours and ours from voting by acclamation. From my understanding, on Jan 1, 2022 this was changed to allow election by acclamation under a few circumstances. Civil Code Section 5103 Election by Acclamation; Term Limit covers this.

My HOA was unable to do this in 2022 because we had not held a regular election for directors in the previous 3 years. The gist of it was is that had our HOA held an election in the 3 previous years we would have been able to hold an election by acclamation if the number of qualified candidates is not more than vacancies to be elected, proper notice is given and it takes place at a duly noticed meeting.

I hope this helps.

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/U/Uncontested-Elections-by-Acclamation
https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Civil-Code-5103
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Having an election by acclamation has to be follow to the letter of the law. I disagree with the attorney in that it should be a requirement for placement in the Election Rules. The Board, the whole Board should be making the decision not to send ballots out, not a board member or management company. You cannot do an election by acclamation if your allow write in candidates or floor nomination.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LauraG8 on 09/21/2022 7:42 PM
(nomination forms went out mid Aug w/several nominations).
I cannot tell what this means. Did several people agree to be nominees? If so, when?
LauraG8 (California)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Yes, several people agreed to be nominees at least a month ago.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LauraG8 on 09/22/2022 8:43 AM
Yes, several people agreed to be nominees at least a month ago.
Are you on the Board? Ask for this to be put on the next board meeting agenda. Even if this means the election needs to be re-run.

Owners have a right to elect directors. For some reason, the management company is not happy with this.

If you are not on the board, ask for IDR. See the davis-stirling.com site for more info on the latter.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
I am not a fan of election by acclamation unless there were no new candidates and the only persons that submitted nomination forms were incumbents. BUT, they have to have submitted nomintaiuon forms. I have seen a number of elections where current board members running never felt they needed to fill out a form, there word was good enough.

If you only have three candidates for three positions and they are all new, the membership should have the ability to vote. The tallied totals can help in determining officer positions.
LauraG8 (California)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Thank you, AugustinD.
Yes, I’m on the board. That’s a great idea!
LauraG8 (California)
Posts: 56
Posted:
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Posted By MaxB4 on 09/22/2022 9:00 AM
I am not a fan of election by acclamation unless there were no new candidates and the only persons that submitted nomination forms were incumbents. BUT, they have to have submitted nomintaiuon forms. I have seen a number of elections where current board members running never felt they needed to fill out a form, there word was good enough.

If you only have three candidates for three positions and they are all new, the membership should have the ability to vote. The tallied totals can help in determining officer positions.

I wasn’t aware that all incumbents need to submit a nomination form. I submitted one, but that’s something I want to check on, whether all were received.

We currently have 5 board positions, and our current President (who’s served in that position for more than 3yrs) has been allowed re-election, despite HOA law making him ineligible.

This board and its mgmt company are a mess, and that’s why this election is so important to me… to clean house!!
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
I conduct elections for associations I am not under contract with. In order for your name to appear on a ballot, a written nomination form must be submitted, whether or not you want that candidate form to be shared with the owners.

Why would the "president" be ineligible to run again?
LauraG8 (California)
Posts: 56
Posted:
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Posted By MaxB4 on 09/22/2022 11:35 AM
I conduct elections for associations I am not under contract with. In order for your name to appear on a ballot, a written nomination form must be submitted, whether or not you want that candidate form to be shared with the owners.

Why would the "president" be ineligible to run again?

The “Nomination Form for Board Director” which everyone receives states:

The following are the qualifications for Nominees for Directors according to California S 323 and the XXX Homeowners Association Election Rules:

— Only persons who are Members of the Association may be a nominee for election
(Member is defined as name on recorded deed)

— Nominee must be a Member of the Association for a minimum of one year.
For joint ownership, only one member may be on the Board.

— Person with past criminal conviction that would prevent the Association from purchasing
the fidelity bond as required by Civil Code 5806 will not be eligible to serve on the Board.

— ANYONE THAT IS NOT CURRENT IN REGULAR OR SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
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Posted By LauraG8 on 09/22/2022 12:05 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 09/22/2022 11:35 AM
I conduct elections for associations I am not under contract with. In order for your name to appear on a ballot, a written nomination form must be submitted, whether or not you want that candidate form to be shared with the owners.

Why would the "president" be ineligible to run again?


The “Nomination Form for Board Director” which everyone receives states:

The following are the qualifications for Nominees for Directors according to California S 323 and the XXX Homeowners Association Election Rules:

— Only persons who are Members of the Association may be a nominee for election
(Member is defined as name on recorded deed)

— Nominee must be a Member of the Association for a minimum of one year.
For joint ownership, only one member may be on the Board.

— Person with past criminal conviction that would prevent the Association from purchasing
the fidelity bond as required by Civil Code 5806 will not be eligible to serve on the Board.

— ANYONE THAT IS NOT CURRENT IN REGULAR OR SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE.

I understand, but why was the person not eligible this time?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Meagan & Max are right about election by acclamation. Certain procedures had Mohave ben followed doing back to about late March/early April in Laura's HOA.

Candidates must have filled out nomination forms maybe 2 months ago.

Afraid your "election" is a complete mess, Laura, and you really should start all over again.Vist Davis-stirling.com, Index, Elections & something called election calculator or some such title. Once you name an election date, in your case in March or April, '23, there are certain deadlines that this "calculator" will show you. that your PM doesn't seem to know any of this is disturbing.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sorry, procedures "must have been..."
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
I am in CA HOA also with recent election. How do "tallied totals help in determining officer positions" ??
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Please read your Bylaws, Jackie. Owner vote only for directors (aka board members). Then, the board at an open meeting votes for officers, usually from among the directors. Your bylaws will spell it all out.

Are you on the board?
NormanK2 (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Our HOA President holds the ballots in a closed room and only see is allowed to go in and see the votes,,and who they are going too. i always believied elections were to be in the open, but she's a Democrat so i guess its ok.
NormanK2 (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Our HOA President holds the ballots in a closed room and only she is allowed to go in and see the votes,,and who they are going too. i always believied elections were to be in the open, but she's a Democrat so i guess its ok.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You know, Norman, your problem seems serious. Maybe write a new Subject on it, with a little more elaboration like how many homes in your HOA and how may are on the board.
NormanK2 (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
We are a small park of less then 200 homes have 6 people on the HOA board the President and most of them are snowbirds here for maybe 4 mos a yr. We own our land and even tho we can do nothing on the land with out a permit from the County we have to have HOA approval which is BS.if its something that shouldn't be on your land you'll never get the permit in the first place, its all about Controll by the HOA board.Its almost like they controll the elections if someone runs they do not like they do not get enough votes plain and simple.None of us have any idea why she goes into the voting room that none of us are allowed to go into. My wife and i made a mistake buying into this Park, we thought if we bought the Land it belonged to us but we were wrong. We may pay the taxes but everything is controlled by HOA,, if your not in an HOA do not move into one.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
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Posted By NormanK2 on 10/13/2022 3:48 AM
We are a small park of less then 200 homes have 6 people on the HOA board the President and most of them are snowbirds here for maybe 4 mos a yr. We own our land and even tho we can do nothing on the land with out a permit from the County we have to have HOA approval which is BS.if its something that shouldn't be on your land you'll never get the permit in the first place, its all about Controll by the HOA board.Its almost like they controll the elections if someone runs they do not like they do not get enough votes plain and simple.None of us have any idea why she goes into the voting room that none of us are allowed to go into. My wife and i made a mistake buying into this Park, we thought if we bought the Land it belonged to us but we were wrong. We may pay the taxes but everything is controlled by HOA,, if your not in an HOA do not move into one.

Too many of those pesky Democrats.

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