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PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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We Are in Santa Fe , and we just got an email that the President , treasurer, secretary have resigned . No one wants to fill those roles . What happens next ?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Question - did the Officers resign or did the Directors (who were filling officer positions) resign?

Question - How large of a Board do you have (3, 5, etc.) i.e: Are there directors serving?

Things that should happen:

1) Your board should ask for volunteers and appoint them to the positions.
2) If there are no volunteers, the Board should petition the court for receivership.

NOTE: Receivership is a lousy option but the only one left if nobody volunteers. The receiver works for the court, not the membership. Assessments will increase to pay the salary of the court ordered receiver. The Receiver, regardless of what your governing documents say, only needs the courts permission to increase assessments or impose a special assessment.

SheliaH (Indiana)
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What tim said. It's time for the community to have a special homeowners meeting where the board can explain why they did what they did. Just as it was inappropriate to resign like this without sone sort or transition plan, it may be there are underlying issues in that community they've tried to address but there's been such pushback, they threw up their hands in frustration.

It may be a good idea to bring in a facilitator of done sort who can help you conduct the meeting so people will keep a civil tongue in their head, not interrupt when others are speaking and hopefully listen to what's being said, even if it's uncomfortable to hear.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/19/2022 7:58 PM
We Are in Santa Fe , and we just got an email that the President , treasurer, secretary have resigned . No one wants to fill those roles . What happens next ?

I wish ours up in NH would. If they simply followed the CC&R's the strife between the the BOD and Owners would end. Our annual meeting this past saturday was a scene right out of animal house.

Good luck,
John
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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We are a very small community . Our community is 6 households. We have one household who owns 2 properties , so they have 2 votes .
Definitely strife is involved . The president and treasurer are one household , married couple . The secretary is another household . There was drama and fighting and they all quit. We received emails of them leaving their posts , they were dated and said effectively starting sept 18 we are no longer acting as president or treasurer .
The secretary asked to resign but I think is staying now . That leaves the remaining three households to volunteer and be president or treasurer . We do not live there , just a second home . I do not think a treasurer and president should be from the same household . Going forward I would like to see that changed . No one has communicated since the resignation , so I’m a newbie to HOA and not sure who takes pats payments for Hoa dues, who pays the gardener , who hires workers??
I feel our small community needs to address this , and I thank you all for your responses!
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
Posts: 13
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We are a very small community . Our community is 6 households. We have one household who owns 2 properties , so they have 2 votes .
Definitely strife is involved . The president and treasurer are one household , married couple . The secretary is another household . There was drama and fighting and they all quit. We received emails of them leaving their posts , they were dated and said effectively starting sept 18 we are no longer acting as president or treasurer .
The secretary asked to resign but I think is staying now . That leaves the remaining three households to volunteer and be president or treasurer . We do not live there , just a second home . I do not think a treasurer and president should be from the same household . Going forward I would like to see that changed . No one has communicated since the resignation , so I’m a newbie to HOA and not sure who takes pats payments for Hoa dues, who pays the gardener , who hires workers??
I feel our small community needs to address this , and I thank you all for your responses!
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
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Common theme I see in many threads is that Boards do what they want because they can and the owners are nearly powerless to stop them. This causes a big divide in the HOA.

I wish the Condo laws in my state had some sort of appeals process or arbitrator where owners could simply present their legal challenge to a CC&R's in front of an arbitrator and the parties had to abide by the arbitors decision or appeal to to the judge. Have a small fee, perhaps in the area of $200-$500 to file a case to be heard by the arbitor. I would love this.

Maybe this process already exists, but I'm still learning.

John
MarkS42 (North Carolina)
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I am actually surprised that you even had a President, Treasurer and Secretary with just 6 households in the community. That requires 50% participation. I am not sure what amenities your community has and if you are 6 homes, townhomes or condos. If your community is just houses I would consider dissolving the HOA entirely. I am not sure about the laws in New Mexico. Tell us a little bit more about your community. You could just agree amongst yourselves to each pay the gardner two months out of the year.
AugustinD
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/20/2022 6:27 AM
We are a very small community . Our community is 6 households. We have one household who owns 2 properties , so they have 2 votes .
Definitely strife is involved . The president and treasurer are one household , married couple . The secretary is another household . There was drama and fighting and they all quit. We received emails of them leaving their posts , they were dated and said effectively starting sept 18 we are no longer acting as president or treasurer .
The secretary asked to resign but I think is staying now . That leaves the remaining three households to volunteer and be president or treasurer . We do not live there , just a second home . I do not think a treasurer and president should be from the same household . Going forward I would like to see that changed . No one has communicated since the resignation , so I’m a newbie to HOA and not sure who takes pats payments for Hoa dues, who pays the gardener , who hires workers??
In what year was the Declaration recorded for this community?

Is this a condominium?

Does your Declaration state whether the HOA/COA is subject to the NM HOA statute? Or the NM Condominium statute?

Is this community incorporated?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Small communities have unique challenges - the size seems to amplify some of the issues you can see in HOAs/COAs, including cost per unit for routine expenses (lawyer, accountant, auditor, D&O insurance).

I actually lived in a 6-unit condo community. We had a 2-person board, officers were Pres and Secy/Treas - it worked but it would not have if the two directors had been drama llamas.

I kind of like the idea of dissolving the association if possible. Depends on the nature of the jointly owned property - and the legal expenses may discourage pursuing this option. But that's a longer-term solution. Patricia's community has an emergency since they can't legally operate without a board. Somebody will need to step up and get the community on the same page, explain the painful realities of receivership, hopefully get past this hurdle and then look at other options to prevent something like this from happening again.
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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Thank you Since the email Was sent , no one fromOur association has responded to the crisis . we feel we should write a an email , but don’t even know where to start ? What would you address??
AugustinD
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/20/2022 11:25 AM
Thank you Since the email Was sent , no one fromOur association has responded to the crisis . we feel we should write a an email , but don’t even know where to start ? What would you address??
-- I would address what the Bylaws, Articles of Incorporation (if any), CC&Rs (a.k.a. "Declaration") and applicable state statutes (at most, two) say about having a board.

-- I would address (1) the need to pay common expenses such as insurance on common areas; landscaping and any building maintenance to which all owners must pay en masse; and (2) the need to collect assessments, if any.

Please consider answering all questions here. The more questions you answer, the better this forum can assist.
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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This is so helpful for me and my husband, we are new to being in a HOA community , and such a small one . There is a lot of fighting and posturing and frankly we want to sell now. We were thinking of selling and then we get an email
That the President and treasurer resigned ! So thank you for all this information
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Pat

It is not clear if they resigned their Officer Positions, but not from the BOD. Who do you pay your dues to? If you do not live there full time and are not willing to step forward and help, you might be part of the problem.
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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We are in the process of getting our house for sale , my husband would volunteer for treasury but not sure if that is a good decision since hopefully we will be selling .

The president and treasurer did resign , they are husband and wife .

Just reaching out for some opinions of more experienced people on this subject .

Maybe this is a common occurrence ? Just reaching out for input
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
Posts: 13
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We are in the process of getting our house for sale , my husband would volunteer for treasury but not sure if that is a good decision since hopefully we will be selling .

The president and treasurer did resign , they are husband and wife .

Just reaching out for some opinions of more experienced people on this subject .

Maybe this is a common occurrence ? Just reaching out for input
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
Posts: 13
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We are in the process of getting our house for sale , my husband would volunteer for treasury but not sure if that is a good decision since hopefully we will be selling .

The president and treasurer did resign , they are husband and wife .

Just reaching out for some opinions of more experienced people on this subject .

Maybe this is a common occurrence ? Just reaching out for input
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
Posts: 13
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Thank you for you input
6 members of our hoa
AugustinD
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/20/2022 3:08 PM
We are in the process of getting our house for sale , my husband would volunteer for treasury but not sure if that is a good decision since hopefully we will be selling .
-- On the one hand, serving as treasurer is a good decision, because both the NM Condo Act and the NM HOA Act (whichever one applies; it's a mystery) require certain, detailed record disclosures to which the treasurer might have more direct access.

-- On the other hand, this is a terrible decision, because your husband likely has no understanding of what the required disclosures are.

-- No disclosure = no sale.

-- No board = possibly also no sale.

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Just reaching out for input
I think you should hire an attorney for advice.
LetA (Nevada)
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/19/2022 7:58 PM
We Are in Santa Fe , and we just got an email that the President , treasurer, secretary have resigned . No one wants to fill those roles . What happens next ?

It's called receivership. Prepare for your assessments to skyrocket because the receiver board will spend money like a drunken sailor, regardless what needs fixing.

Time to rally your neighbor owners to inform them what receivership means and perhaps someone will fill those board vacancies.
LetA (Nevada)
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/20/2022 3:08 PM
We are in the process of getting our house for sale , my husband would volunteer for treasury but not sure if that is a good decision since hopefully we will be selling .

The president and treasurer did resign , they are husband and wife .

Just reaching out for some opinions of more experienced people on this subject .

Maybe this is a common occurrence ? Just reaching out for input

Just remember this the possibility of your HOA going into receivership has to be disclosed at some time in the buying process. Who will send out the estoppel letter to the prospective buyer? 
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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There is a lot ! I can’t believe how complicated this is !
AugustinD
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Posted By TimB4 on 09/19/2022 11:24 PM
2) If there are no volunteers, the Board should petition the court for receivership.

NOTE: Receivership is a lousy option but the only one left if nobody volunteers.
For the archives, TimB4 and I disagree on this.

I have never seen a statute nor a Bylaw nor a covenant that requires a board to petition for receivership when all directors wish to resign. Nor do I consider the directors to have a 'fiduciary duty' to do so. Quite the contrary. If an owner feels strongly about it, then the owner can petition for receivership.

Problems arise if there are outstanding contracts between the HOA corporation and vendors (including insurers) and insurance is needed for common areas.

Inactive HOAs do happen.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Should and required are two different things.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Keep in mind that there is a lot we don't know.

We know it's small (six households).
We know that the OP is getting ready to sell.
We know that 2 of the 3 directors/officers resigned.
We know that at least one (the OP) of the homes/units are vacation homes and have non-resident owners.

We do not know if there are common areas.
We do not know if there are common amenities.
We do not know if there are services provided by the Association (trash, road maintenance, streetlights, etc.)
We do not know if this is a development of single family homes or a condominium.

Without knowing the unknown, it's hard to say if an inactive association would work, if someone (current board or just and owner) should ask for receivership, should the Association simply go inactive or do the work to dissolve.

JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/20/2022 6:04 PM
There is a lot ! I can’t believe how complicated this is !

I'm following as someone new to this as well.

You are just seeing the tip of the iceberg I'm afraid. I would never and I mean never have purchased in my hoa in NH if I knew all he complications and drama of hoa living. The first 10 years of living in my vacation destination HOA were great because I never paid attention to any of the politics. Once I started paying attention and trying to understand everything as you are things changed for the worse.

Good luck

John
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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We are a small HOA of 6 houses .
One of the houses have two votes because it was originally two houses and was made one , but they are charged for two houses so get two botes .
We are all freestanding homes , very unusual old Adobe homes.
We are on 10 acres of shared property
We all have areas of responsibility
The HOA covers the fencing around our shared property
We have a wetland area that is shared
We are a community with huge old cottonwoods which need care and that is covered by HOA
It is rural so no garbage
We do have a gravel road that is maintained
We have a 7th house that is shared by all the community in the HOA
We can have family or friends stay there for a nominal fee.
Thst house is maintained by HOA.

I hope that answers the questions
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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You're right about it being complicated.

Sometimes folks on this forum talk about the problems that result from homeowners buying without understanding what they're getting into. The information is out there, but I think it's counterproductive to make buyers search - you won't look for something if you don't know that you should be looking for it. It's also ironic that condos attract first-time buyers since condo ownership is more complicated than owning a single family home IMHO. The insurance alone can make you pull your hair out.

I didn't truly understand what I'd bought until I had a few years of board service under my belt.

Unfortunately I don't have a good solution. People are busy and won't want to take a class when they don't see the need for it. So we're left with learning things the hard way.
PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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What a great forum this is !

We also only have 1 house of 6 that do not live there permanently .
My husband is retiring in a year so we thought we were close to being there full time . We now see the pitfalls and politics and we want to sell , but the board just resigned so I think it’s going to be hard to sell now . We always kept our areas of responsibility maintained , we were good neighbors.
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/21/2022 6:03 AM
What a great forum this is !

We also only have 1 house of 6 that do not live there permanently .
My husband is retiring in a year so we thought we were close to being there full time . We now see the pitfalls and politics and we want to sell , but the board just resigned so I think it’s going to be hard to sell now . We always kept our areas of responsibility maintained , we were good neighbors.

This forum is absolutely the best thing since sliced bread. There are many great posters that are very inteligent, but there are a few and I'm not mentioning names that are truly outstanding, I might miss someone. I made the mistake of butting heads with one in my early experience and now we get along great. And that person knows who I'm taking about.

Cathy,

You are 1000% correct. I am one of these owners that walked into this completely blind. We still have many owners in our HOA that are completely blind. Many owners insist that they own their land, they don't, the deed is clear. We have restricted use to a "limited common area" campsite and we own a mailbox. When I tell owners they own a $150K mailbox they are not happy, but that is the truth.

John
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/21/2022 5:52 AM
We are a small HOA of 6 houses .
One of the houses have two votes because it was originally two houses and was made one , but they are charged for two houses so get two botes .
We are all freestanding homes , very unusual old Adobe homes.
We are on 10 acres of shared property
We all have areas of responsibility
The HOA covers the fencing around our shared property
We have a wetland area that is shared
We are a community with huge old cottonwoods which need care and that is covered by HOA
It is rural so no garbage
We do have a gravel road that is maintained
We have a 7th house that is shared by all the community in the HOA
We can have family or friends stay there for a nominal fee.
Thst house is maintained by HOA.

I hope that answers the questions

WOW !

Based on this, I would say that you need to maintain an active association.
Members may want to consider a MC to assist the board (hence, freeing up the day to day stuff that can wear one down) or some independent contractors to do some of the duties (bookkeeping for example).

That said, you might not have issues selling. One person is staying on the board and will likely do what is needed (disclosures) for a home sale. You only need to disclose that their is an HOA. You do not need to disclose any of the drama within the HOA.

PatriciaE1 (New Mexico)
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It’s very beautiful !
We do have a crew that maintains the property , it’s just confusing now thst there is no treasurer or president . We paid our dues to the treasurer , and her husband the President made decisions on what the crew needed to be working on .

We will have our property listed next week , so I will know more about what is in store for us .
MarkS42 (North Carolina)
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/21/2022 5:52 AM
We are a small HOA of 6 houses .
One of the houses have two votes because it was originally two houses and was made one , but they are charged for two houses so get two botes .
We are all freestanding homes , very unusual old Adobe homes.
We are on 10 acres of shared property
We all have areas of responsibility
The HOA covers the fencing around our shared property
We have a wetland area that is shared
We are a community with huge old cottonwoods which need care and that is covered by HOA
It is rural so no garbage
We do have a gravel road that is maintained
We have a 7th house that is shared by all the community in the HOA
We can have family or friends stay there for a nominal fee.
Thst house is maintained by HOA.

I hope that answers the questions

Interesting setup. The seventh house is really the wildcard. It is expensive to maintain a home. The gravel road that is maintained should be fairly easy to estimate. Your association also has a sizable landscaping expense. I guess if I were you, I would try to find out why the President and Treasurer both want to resign. It has been a challenging year to contain landscaping cost with gas prices rising, heat and labor costs. There are two things that most officers do not like to do. 1) Raise the dues 2) enforce the rules. I would think that is especially true with a neighborhood of six. I do agree that you would need an association. I would not give up so quickly. I think you just need to have a meeting with everyone and figure out the financials. Thank the ex president and treasurer for their service. It can be stressful. Has enough dues been collected in reserves to maintain the roof on the seventh house for example. If the reserves are weak, there is probably an opportunity to sell the seventh house to an LLC and put the place on Airbnb. There are no pictures but it sounds like the neighborhood is pretty unique.
AugustinD
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Posted By TimB4 on 09/21/2022 4:23 AM
Should and required are two different things.
I do see web sites saying the directors should arrange for a receiver, and this observation is 'not for nothing' in my book. At least one of the web sites said a director could be sued if he/she does not arrange for receivership before resigning. Which cracks me up. If an owner is thinking of suing a director for not arranging for receivership, one would think the owner would quickly realize it makes more sense for the owner him/herself to just agree to be on the board or petition directly for receivership.

As noted above, I do not agree with volunteer directors being expected to (1) get an attorney (when there may be little funds to do so); (2) file in court; and (3) wait out the machinations of the court system.

For a director, I think seeking dissolution would be the superior choice. This is not to say dissolution would necessarily happen. Merely seeking dissolution might turn up people to volunteer.

I know that, when common areas are involved, dissolution is tricky. We're probably talking years for the dust to settle.

Also if even one person is willing to serve as the board, then in most (all?) states, I believe this is preferable to receivership. Claims that the board is illegal under these circumstances can be attempted in court. Though anyone suing had darn well better be willing to serve on the board.
AugustinD
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Posted By PatriciaE1 on 09/21/2022 5:52 AM
We are a small HOA of 6 houses .
One of the houses have two votes because it was originally two houses and was made one , but they are charged for two houses so get two botes .
We are all freestanding homes , very unusual old Adobe homes.
We are on 10 acres of shared property
We all have areas of responsibility
The HOA covers the fencing around our shared property
We have a wetland area that is shared
We are a community with huge old cottonwoods which need care and that is covered by HOA
It is rural so no garbage
We do have a gravel road that is maintained
We have a 7th house that is shared by all the community in the HOA
We can have family or friends stay there for a nominal fee.
This house is maintained by HOA.
-- Look at the HOA's Declaration (also known as "CC&Rs" or "covenants, conditions and restrictions"). What is the date stamped on it, showing that it was recorded with the Santa Fe County Clerk?

-- Is the HOA incorporated? This also should be indicated in either the Bylaws or the Declaration. One can also go to the New Mexico secretary of state web site at https://portal.sos.state.nm.us/BFS/online/corporationbusinesssearch , put in the HOA name, and see if it is listed as a New Mexico corporation.

-- I still think the OP should seek the assistance of a HOA attorney. It seems clear to me she does not know enough of the vocabulary of HOAs for comments here to make any sense.
AugustinD
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Posted By TimB4 on 09/21/2022 6:45 AM
You only need to disclose that there is an HOA. You do not need to disclose any of the drama within the HOA.
The New Mexico HOA statute requires providing the governing documents and a disclosure certificate. The disclosure certificate is sufficiently detailed. In New Mexico, it appears to require:

-- The amount of any capital expenditures anticipated by the HOA and approved by the HOA Board of
Directors for the current fiscal year and the two next succeeding fiscal years.

-- The amount of any reserves for capital expenditures and of any portions of those reserves designated by the HOA

-- The most recent regularly prepared balance sheet and income and expense statement, if any, of the HOA.

-- The current operating budget of the HOA.

-- Does the HOA have actual knowledge of any unsatisfied judgments or pending suits against the HOA?
If yes, identify the judgments and/or pending lawsuits and provide the status of
any such judgments or suits: __________________________________________________________
__________________________________________________________________________________

-- Does the HOA provide insurance coverage for the benefit of Property Owners and its Board of Directors? If yes, describe the policy:

-- Is there a leasehold estate affecting the HOA?

-- The HOA's contact person and contact information is _______

The OP should hire a HOA or real estate attorney.

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