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ChrisB31 (Arizona)
Posts: 5
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New tenants moved into rental next door. I own my unit.

The food odors are bad enough to cause physical illness (e.g., nausea, headaches). Contacted the property manager, he waited 48 hours before doing an on-site then insisted there was no problem.
This is daily and borderline debilitating.

I found a firm to do a full rip-and-replace of the insulation, and seal the attic above my unit next week.

Hopefully the attic overhaul will help with most of the odor, but if it doesn't what recourse do I have? In addition to the food odor the tenants are violating a number of Rules & Regs (throwing dirty diapers and other garbage on the ground in common areas, drying laundry on patio walls, working on cars in the parking lot) which I reported to both the HOA and the property manager. According to the property manager my reporting this "borders on harassment".

Any direction or recommendations are welcome.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
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ChrisB31, I am so sorry you are experiencing this. I expect if I lived in your unit, I would be as unhappy as you about the filth and odors. Here's what my experience says:

-- It is incredibly common for Condo Association managers to deny there is a problem. They just want to get out of doing any work, AFAIC.

-- Read your covenants carefully and identify any sections that speak to "nuisance." Submit a formal complaint to the Association, using the procedures it provides for doing so. Send the complaint registered mail, return receipt requested.

-- Submit formal complaints to your COA of all the other violations.

-- Meanwhile start studying the recourse you have in Arizona using state agencies. Here's a decent starting point: https://azre.gov/consumers/hoa

-- Through all this please understand that nationwide, the courts have recognized certain situations to reflect bona fide, unlawful "nuisances." No strict definition of "nuisance" exists. Instead, it's more in the category of "I (a judge) know it when I see it."

-- You may have to pay an attorney to get some real action.

-- Landlords do not like tenants who cause problems. I tend to think the fact that the nuisance is due to tenants will work in your favor.

-- I expect others with experience with these situations will post here. Do stay tuned.
ChrisB31 (Arizona)
Posts: 5
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HUGE thanks to you! The landlord is on the defensive, and I suspect that after accusing me of harassment his next step will be to accuse me of racism. In scanning the CC&Rs I found this:
Section 9. Miscellaneous. Restrictions.
(a) No noxious or offensive activity shall be carried on, nor shall anything be done or placed thereon which may be or become a nuisance or cause unreasonable embarrassment, disturbance, or annoyance to other owners in the enjoyment of their property, or in their enjoyment of common areas.

And, given the landlord's responses to date, I went ahead and pinged a lawyer. :\
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You went to the property manager, but did you ever discuss any of this with the tenants? Some people don't realize how stinky their food can be, and perhaps a suggestion that they shut the window and turn on the exhaust in their kitchen when serving up whatever can keep it under control. Next, I'd talk to the homeowner/landlord. As Augustin said, these are HIS/HER tenants and continued violation of community rules may cost him/her because the owner is ultimately responsible for their behavior.

The drying laundry on the patio walls - apparently these people haven't heard of clotheslines or drying racks they can install outside to dry the laundry and not plaster it on the walls. You may want to check if your area has a ban against clotheslines or a right to dry outside (in 2013, there were 19 states with such laws, but that may have changed since many people now do this to save energy.). I don't know who would enforce this (check with the city or county), but I suspect this type of law would warrant a private lawsuit against the tenants and their owners.

Our community had a clothesline ban, but today, they're allowed as long as the line is on the patio behind a fence or barrier where it can't bee seen and the laundry has to be taken down at the end of the day. We also ban mechanical work on cars outside of jumping a battery or fixing a flat tire, because oil changes can destroy concrete - that's something you should stress to your homeowner's association board.

You said the property manager said your reporting "borders on harassment" - I don't know how often you're complaining, but that could be a factor. Are there other people doing similar things, but you choose to zero in on these people? If so, what's your bigger issue - that they're tenants or something else? Yes, I know you know what I'm talking about - I'm not saying you're biased against some people for dumb stuff like race or gender preference, but I also know there's something called implicit bias that causes you to make unfair assumptions about people. Google it if you've never heard of it. Then again, read this and do some thinking: https://diversity.nih.gov/sociocultural-factors/implicit-bias#:~:text=Implicit%20bias%20is%20a%20form,retaining%20a%20diverse%20scientific%20workforce.

If these people are simply behaving badly because they don't have any home training,k Augustin gave you some great tips, and I hope you've been keeping records of the time and dates you notice this stuff (time and date-stamped photos are great). The common area issue is something that the board will ultimately have to address, so stay on them

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ChrisB31 (Arizona)
Posts: 5
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RE: drying laundry on patio walls -- per CC&Rs "No outside clothesline or other outside clothes drying or airing facilities shall be maintained on any Lots".

The property manager made it clear he had no intention of addressing the food odor, which occurs daily at ~4pm and persists well into the evening, so rather than look the other way on other issues (which I normally do), I reported them (one was throwing used diapers onto the common area). Honestly, until now I've not noticed anything out of code with others in the community.

I think there's something to your point about home training. A great deal, in fact, but isn't the onus to provide training on the property manager? He seems to think that "Tenants Rights" outweigh "Homeowners Rights".
AugustinD
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Posted By ChrisB31 on 09/01/2022 9:39 AM
RE: drying laundry on patio walls -- per CC&Rs "No outside clothesline or other outside clothes drying or airing facilities shall be maintained on any Lots".
A quick check via google indicates that Arizona statutes prohibit a clothesline ban. It's worth getting the details to see if any of this covenant at your HOA is legally enforceable at this point.

When state statutes conflict with a COA's covenants, the state statutes control. Particularly given what is happening in Arizona with its water crisis and in turn, energy crisis. It ain't for nothing, in my opinion.
ChrisB31 (Arizona)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I hear you. A quick laundry sun dry wouldn't be an issue, but this is rugs drying for three or four days.
Appreciate the direction.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Who gets to decide what constitutes a food odor and how do you define it?
ChrisB31 (Arizona)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Good point -- kinda the old adage about porn: "I know it when I see it". But, I anticipated this and welcomed the Management/Landlord as well as the HOA to come smell for themselves.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By ChrisB31 on 09/01/2022 10:18 AM
Good point -- kinda the old adage about porn: "I know it when I see it". But, I anticipated this and welcomed the Management/Landlord as well as the HOA to come smell for themselves.

The management/Landlord are people and we all have our definition of what smells good or bad. If this situation had happened to me while I was on the Board I would have personally steered clear of the issue if at all possible. This is a neighbor to neighbor dispute based on their smelling preferences.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
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Sounds like its you that is the nuisance. Just because you do not like the type of food someone is cooking, dont give you the right to complain to management about it. Cooking onions to me is offensive, I cannot stand the smell of cooking onions. So because it bothers ME, that gives me the right to tell you to stop? No I dont think so! Maybe your after shave lotion smells really bad to me, does that give me the right to run to management and tell them your a Nuisance because I dont like how you smell? And funny that YOU brought up racism. Is it really what they are cooking that you do not like, or is it that you dont like who moved in next door?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I'm thinking along Susan's lines, too.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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But I'm also thinking that Chris should formally write up the actual violations of the rules or covenants & include date-stamped pics. Submit them the correct way as required in your HOA to the PM.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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A good quality HEPA filter is a life saver if you're sensitive to odors. I have a nose like a bloodhound - if there's one molecule of something in the air, I'll smell it - and my HEPA filters have saved my nose and my sanity.

The bottom line is that is may not be physically possible to guarantee that your home is free from air pollutants since even with the best insulation and air filtering, you still can't change the basic construction of your building. No amount of legal action will change this, and you'll make yourself and everyone around you miserable while you fail to achieve a satisfactory outcome (a friend of mine used to refer to this as "dying in full possession of the right of way").

As with noise sensitivities, you're going to have to be honest with yourself about whether or not attached housing is suitable for you. And if the answer is going to be "no", it's better to figure that out before spending a bunch of money on solutions that won't give you what you want.

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