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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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A homeowner, who is non-compliant with our CC&Rs, is threatening to sue the Board personally and the Association in general for harrassment and emotional distress.

Just curious - I'm thinking this sounds like a standard response when someone receives compliance letters he doesn't like. Just wondering if claiming "harrassment and emotional distress" is an effective defense for not following the CC&Rs?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Is it an effective defense? Who knows. Sounds more of a cross complaint then a defense.

Can they sue the board? Only if they can pierce the corporate shield.
If they do, this is what the D&O insurance is for.

Can they sue the Association? Sure. If they have the time and money you can likely sue a ham sandwich.

If you are following the governing documents, not going overboard on notices, etc. You should be have no issue.

Two Options:

1) Tell them that is their right and wait and see.
2) Turn the whole issue over to the attorney, explaining that since they threatened legal action - the Association had no choice but to turn the enforcement over to an attorney. THEN LET THE ATTORNEY HANDLE IT.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/29/2022 12:28 PM
Just wondering if claiming "harrassment and emotional distress" is an effective defense for not following the CC&Rs?

No.

Threatening to sue is free, but actually suing is expensive so threatening happens a lot more than actually suing. Tell them your registered agent is waiting patiently for the service of the lawsuit.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DouglasK1 on 08/29/2022 12:58 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/29/2022 12:28 PM
Just wondering if claiming "harrassment and emotional distress" is an effective defense for not following the CC&Rs?


No.

Threatening to sue is free, but actually suing is expensive so threatening happens a lot more than actually suing. Tell them your registered agent is waiting patiently for the service of the lawsuit.

Sound advice.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It is not considered "harrassment" if you are contacting someone in the context of paying their dues or violations. People who claim these things are trying to control what they can not control.

I always told people whom threaten to sue us "Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. I will see you in court once you file. Plus it's cheaper for us to counter-sue. See ya in court or the next meeting to work things out".

Former HOA President
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/29/2022 12:28 PM
A homeowner, who is non-compliant with our CC&Rs, is threatening to sue the Board personally and the Association in general for harrassment and emotional distress.

Just curious - I'm thinking this sounds like a standard response when someone receives compliance letters he doesn't like. Just wondering if claiming "harrassment and emotional distress" is an effective defense for not following the CC&Rs?
If certain conditions are met, alleging "harassment and IIED (intentional infliction of emotional distress)" could be the basis of a lawsuit. Whence the HOA would hopefully have evidence of: the alleged violation; following an appropriate, lawful procedure; and doing so without exercising selective enforcement.

Some boards are ignorant of how to handle violations. Some boards are stupid and do overstep.

Some owners are ignorant of their obligations under the covenants.

Some soul should try to de-escalate the situation and give the owner an explanation of what covenants are and how the board is required to enforce them, else the board could face a lawsuit from another owner for failing to enforce the covenants.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Have your ducks in a row, paperwork etc, put your HOA attorney on the 411, bring it on.
JdW (Texas)
Posts: 40
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OP hasn't stated if they have a property manager.

In this kind of situation, always have your property manager deal with this person. Never have any communication with them as board members.

Whether you have this or not, you should let your attorney know.

Most insurance policies require that you notify your carrier about any legal threats. You should do that. They may decline coverage if you don't do it in a timely manner.

This is a common situation so don't worry about it too much. The key thing is to use the property manager or your attorney and to other keep any communication with this owner to a bare minimum.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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Posted By JdW on 08/31/2022 1:34 PM
OP hasn't stated if they have a property manager.

In this kind of situation, always have your property manager deal with this person. Never have any communication with them as board members.

Whether you have this or not, you should let your attorney know.

Most insurance policies require that you notify your carrier about any legal threats. You should do that. They may decline coverage if you don't do it in a timely manner.

This is a common situation so don't worry about it too much. The key thing is to use the property manager or your attorney and to other keep any communication with this owner to a bare minimum.

I'm the Board president.

Yes, only the property manager deals with this person. He has been fined 3 times. We have held 2 hearings at his request, both were denied. The issue has been going on for a year with this particular violation. The rule is explicitly stated in the CC&Rs and the violation is open and obvious, so in my opinion we don't have a choice but to enforce the rule.

He comes back with the same tired arguments each time, although the most recent time he added the statement about suing for harrassment and emotional distress.

Since we've played by the book on this one, I don't see how he has a leg to stand on. Receiving compliance letters over a clear and factual violation is not harrassment. If it's causing emotional distress, he simply needs to take the step that would cure the violation and we'd stop sending letters and issuing fines.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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If it's been over a year, I expect that he is not going to correct the issue.

OR

Has the issue been corrected in the past and then repeated?

If it were me, I would spend $500 and have your attorney send a letter to the individual about the violation (making all the appropriate citations). If this doesn't resolve the issue, it likely won't be resolved without further legal action.

The attorney can use the threatened legal action as a reason to send the letter.
JdW (Texas)
Posts: 40
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/31/2022 2:23 PM

I'm the Board president.

Yes, only the property manager deals with this person. He has been fined 3 times. We have held 2 hearings at his request, both were denied. The issue has been going on for a year with this particular violation. The rule is explicitly stated in the CC&Rs and the violation is open and obvious, so in my opinion we don't have a choice but to enforce the rule.

He comes back with the same tired arguments each time, although the most recent time he added the statement about suing for harrassment and emotional distress.

Since we've played by the book on this one, I don't see how he has a leg to stand on. Receiving compliance letters over a clear and factual violation is not harrassment. If it's causing emotional distress, he simply needs to take the step that would cure the violation and we'd stop sending letters and issuing fines.



You've done everything right. I wouldn't worry at all. The owner can sue of course but in most states, he'll have to pay all the costs of the association as well. Very few attorneys would represent such a client when knowing the facts you state, so a pro se lawsuit is probably his only choice.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It also should be noted that in small claims court "emotional stress" claims are rarely if ever awarded. Most likely would be tossed out. Plus the HOA can and should file a countersuit for all of it's money it's lost in this issue. You don't need a lawyer to counter-sue.

I looked into the "worst case scenerio" if we ever got seriously sued. We had a million dollar policy with insurance. (If we went that way). It was a $20K deductible. The actual payout after all legal costs paid out from that 1 Million - $80K. If they were awarded more than that the we would had to make up that difference.

So if you keep the "worst case" in your head you know where to begin. Right now a small claims lawsuit? Many states max out at $5K to file. A HOA would have to hire a lawyer to represent them in court or assign someone to do so. (Best to use a lawyer though). Would your HOA if it was 100% WRONG be able to handle this worst case? If your HOA is 100% RIGHT, would it counter-sue for it's expenses?

Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. There are cases that are justified. There are cases that it's just a ploy. If you don't know the difference, then get a lawyer...

Former HOA President

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