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JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 344
Posted:
I submitted a question to support, but thought I would ask the members also.

Is there a way to search for a string or phrase such as "articles of agreement" ? I only want results that contain those words together in a phrase.

So, wondering if there is a way to connect those words by using a "+" sign or something.

I tried "articles+of+agreement", but it didn't work.

Thanks
John
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
-- The New Hampshire statute defining what "Articles of Agreement" do for a corporation appears at:
https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXVII/292/292-mrg.htm

-- I believe New Hampshire's "Articles of Agreement" are identical in function to what is known in other states as "Articles of Incorporation."

-- Note in particular this NH statute section:

" The articles of agreement shall be recorded in the office of the secretary of state. When so recorded, the signers thereof shall be a corporation, and such corporation, its officers, and members shall have all the rights and powers and be subject to all the duties and liabilities of other similar corporations incorporated under this chapter, their officers, and members, except so far as they are limited or enlarged by this chapter. Subsequent to filing with the secretary of state a copy shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the town in which the mailing address of the corporation is located."

-- One can search, more or less, hoatalk.com for this phrase by putting the following into a google search engine:

"articles of agreement" site:hoatalk.com

No hits come up.

-- I expect the hierarchy of documents in New Hampshire would be:

Federal law
State law
Condominium Declaration
Condominium Articles of Agreement
Bylaws
Board-created Rules and Regulations, if the bylaws permit, and not to exceed those covenants provided in the Declaration nor any Bylaw.

JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 08/28/2022 6:10 PM
-- The New Hampshire statute defining what "Articles of Agreement" do for a corporation appears at:
https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXVII/292/292-mrg.htm

-- I believe New Hampshire's "Articles of Agreement" are identical in function to what is known in other states as "Articles of Incorporation."

-- Note in particular this NH statute section:

" The articles of agreement shall be recorded in the office of the secretary of state. When so recorded, the signers thereof shall be a corporation, and such corporation, its officers, and members shall have all the rights and powers and be subject to all the duties and liabilities of other similar corporations incorporated under this chapter, their officers, and members, except so far as they are limited or enlarged by this chapter. Subsequent to filing with the secretary of state a copy shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the town in which the mailing address of the corporation is located."

-- One can search, more or less, hoatalk.com for this phrase by putting the following into a google search engine:

"articles of agreement" site:hoatalk.com

No hits come up.

-- I expect the hierarchy of documents in New Hampshire would be:

Federal law
State law
Condominium Declaration
Condominium Articles of Agreement
Bylaws
Board-created Rules and Regulations, if the bylaws permit, and not to exceed those covenants provided in the Declaration nor any Bylaw.


You are awesome!

I agree and did some research today. The articles of agreement are above the bylaws in the food chain!

I'm a 35 year IT person(non internet), but had no idea that I could search the web and target that search towards a specific site.

"articles of agreement" site:hoatalk.com

AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC73 on 08/28/2022 6:31 PM
had no idea that I could search the web and target that search towards a specific site.

"articles of agreement" site:hoatalk.com
For searches of hoatalk.com, I am pretty sure this technique is not bulletproof, and I would bet it is not google's fault. I think the hoatalk site software has something about it that precludes really good searches, using its own (arghhh weak IMO) internal search engine or google. I say this because I use this same technique to search other sites, and it seems to work far more reliably.

In short, IME searching this site is hit or miss. It takes a lot of effort to look up an old post one recalls and knows is there.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
In this sites search feature there are buttons below the box you type in your search words.
These buttons are "search any word" or "search all words"

The default is search any word.

Clicking the button to search all words will perform a search for all of those words in a posting.
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 08/29/2022 4:57 AM
In this sites search feature there are buttons below the box you type in your search words.
These buttons are "search any word" or "search all words"

The default is search any word.

Clicking the button to search all words will perform a search for all of those words in a posting.

Thanks Tim,

I use this feature but get too many false positives since doesn't look for exact string. Don't get me wrong, I love the site and search.

For example, my search for "articles of agreement" returned hundreds of posts that contained these words somewhere, but I didn't find any that actually talked about the "articles of agreement".

I found the answer I was looking for and Augusin confirmed it. The Articles of Agreement are a requirment for non-profits and they are ABOVE our bylaws in the hierarchy.

Thanks
John
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Yours is the first I heard about articles of agreement.

I've always heard them called the Articles of Incorporation.
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 08/29/2022 10:28 AM
Yours is the first I heard about articles of agreement.

I've always heard them called the Articles of Incorporation.

I can't pasted the content of the Articles of Agreement for some reason, but here is a link. They exist.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXVII/292/292-2.htm

Thanks
John
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Ok, I'll bite, JohnC73: Why does it matter to you that the articles rank above the bylaws?
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/29/2022 2:21 PM
Ok, I'll bite, JohnC73: Why does it matter to you that the articles rank above the bylaws?

Educational reasons mostly, but there is something in the Articles of Agreement regarding Board Elections and this is going to be part of my discussion with the attorney tomorrow.

I don't want to turn this into my other thread, but I believe the articles of agreement paired with our by-laws state that the "staggering of BOD seats/elections" was only allowed once. After the option was used all Board terms are for 3-years. I believe it even says this in by-law 3-100.

Of course the agenda for the annual meeting came out today and went against this.

β€’ Articles of Agreement 5-300.

5-300. The Association shall have the option to elect the β€œfirst” Board of
Directors on the basis of staggered terms so that one Director might be elected for a
term of 1 year, one director might be elected for a term of 2 years, and so forth

β€’ Bylaws
ARTICLE 3. BOARD OF DIRECTORS

3-100. Number. The Board of Directors shall consist of a minimum of three (3)
and a maximum of five (5) persons to serve for a term of three (3) years or until their
successors are duly elected as provided herein. The election of Directors shall be as
follows: in 2006, three (3) Directors shall be elected. The candidate who receives the
most votes will serve for three (3) years. The candidates receiving the second and third
most votes will serve for two (2) years. In 2007, two (2) Directors shall be elected for a
term of three (3) years to fill the expiring terms of two (2) Directors. In 2008, two (2)
Directors shall be elected for a term of three (3) years to fill expiring terms. In 2009,
one (1) Director shall be elected for a term of three (3) years. Thereafter, Directors
will be elected for a term of three (3) years in a sequence of two (2), two (2), and one
(1) as their terms expire. Directors shall be elected at the Annual Meeting of the
members by majority vote of the members entitled to vote at the meeting.

3-300. Terms of Office. The Directors may be elected for staggered terms as
provided in Article 5-300 of the Articles of Agreement of the Association

Thanks
John
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 344
Posted:

I thought I put this in bold.

Thereafter, Directors will be elected for a term of three (3)
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Form the Bylaws: "Thereafter, Directors will be elected for a term of three (3) years in a sequence of two (2), two (2), and one
(1) as their terms expire."

My understanding of the box is that it is specifying staggered terms. It's saying how to accomplish this. I agree is't not easy to read. Our old bylaws were similar and our HOA attorney wrote that it "meant" staggered terms.
JohnC73 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/29/2022 5:15 PM
Form the Bylaws: "Thereafter, Directors will be elected for a term of three (3) years in a sequence of two (2), two (2), and one
(1) as their terms expire."

My understanding of the box is that it is specifying staggered terms. It's saying how to accomplish this. I agree is't not easy to read. Our old bylaws were similar and our HOA attorney wrote that it "meant" staggered terms.

I agree, I think the intent was too keep the terms staggered so we don't lose 3 bod members at once or something to that affect.

I have a meeting with an attorney tomorrow and will review this as well as a few other things discussed here.

Thanks
John

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