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AndrewS10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 9
Posted:
We are a self managed HOA and recently we had a major ongoing water leak that I had to pinpoint. It ended up being a flapper in a bedroom that was vacant for multiple months. The prior management company, before I was an owner, installed submeters but could not get all the submeters to record and the project was just abandoned. We are currently charging the owners the same fixed rate per month for water. Needless to say the budget for Water and Sewer this year is blown away. I have since resurrected the submeter project and did a little programming and I can now read the usage of water for each unit remotely. I could come up with a way to bill the units individually. I would probably need to get the owners and approve an amendment to the CCR. Does anyone have an opinion regarding staying the course and keep changing a fixed rate (I am now able to determine leaks and can get alerted) or trying to bill each using individually. I am leaning towards staying the course since it provides a bit of insurance for the owners and having a constant payment does help with collections.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
AndrewS10, the first thing I would do is read what your CC&Rs say about water billing of units. Consider reproducing the covenant here for comment in the context of your plan.
AndrewS10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 9
Posted:
There are no specific mentions of Water in our CCR or Bylaws but would be considered a common expense. Each unit shares in 1/16 of common expenses. One caveat I left out, there is one external water spigot on each building. Any water usage at the spigot would be recorded on two of the units submeter.

COMMON EXPENSES AND ASSESSMENTS. The unit owners are bound to
contribute, according to their allocated interest in the common areas and facilities as set forth
herein, toward the common expenses of the Association. No unit owner may exempt himself
from contributing toward such expenses by waiver of the use or enjoyment of the common areas
and facilities or by abandonment of the unit belonging to him. The common profits of the
property, if any, shall be distributed among the unit owners according to the same percentage
undivided interest. Each unit owner shall be subject to an assessment from the Board of
Directors for his share of the common expenses. The manner of computing and collecting this
assessment is set forth in the Bylaws.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Here's a recent thread about a similar situation. Maybe some of the posts there will be of help:
https://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/333038/view/topic/Default.aspx

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I agree about reading your CC&Rs. Read them carefully since applicable language can be anywhere, not just in the section about assessments. We have a statement in our bylaws (!) addressing the inclusion of utilities in our monthly assessments - stating essentially that doing so will provide an unfair advantage to some owners and an unfair disadvantage to others.

I think you have to stay the course unless: 1) your CC&Rs and bylaws allow charging by usage; and 2) you have a method to accurately determine actual usage and can produce statements for the owners.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Actually, the outdoor spigots will be a problem since anyone can use them, including the association (lawn care, washing windows and siding. etc.). It wouldn't be fair to charge that usage to a unit, and sub-metering won't fix this.

Condo buildings with a single plumbing system in them almost force you to include water in the assessments. We kicked around a few ideas in my community, including one similar to what's done in many area apartment complexes that bill residents based on how many people were living in the unit. We concluded that this would require a level of intrusiveness that's OK in apartments but won't fly in a condo community.
AndrewS10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 9
Posted:
DouglasK1, Thank you so much for the recent thread. I was searching for something similar and this is just perfect. I wanted to be prepared for the questions I would eventually receive. I will recommend staying the course.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
For condos, I wouldn't be in favor or sub metering for a number of reason. One, you have to have someone collect the usage, whether going door-to-door or remotely. Then you have the issue with billing and how different agencies calculate their rates. I deal with 20 different agencies and it seems everyone has a different twist of calculating rates. Who is going to maintain the program, how are you going to collect, is the billing separate, or added to the assessment. Do you bill assessments annually, quarterly or monthly and how is the water billed, either monthly or every two months.

The concept that one pays for just the water they use, but it only works in concept.
AndrewS10 (North Carolina)
Posts: 9
Posted:
CathyA3,

I totally agree with you on the outdoor spigot. Submetering was a decision that the prior management company and prior board made. I am making the best out of the situation and it only cost 20 bucks to read the device. Even though I cannot bill separately, I can fairly easily identify leaks quickly and that is huge.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
From the OP's CC&Rs:
Quote:
Posted By AndrewS10 on 08/22/2022 10:51 AM

COMMON EXPENSES AND ASSESSMENTS. The unit owners are bound to contribute, according to their allocated interest in the common areas and facilities as set forth
herein, toward the common expenses of the Association.
(Emphasis added by AugustinD) Got it.

The CC&Rs prohibit charges using sub-metering. To use the sub-meters for billing each unit would require an amendment to the CC&Rs. Hence ditto what CathyA3 said.

But I agree about using the sub-meters to identify leaks. From direct experience, this should be a boon to conserving water. Granted it's going to cost you some labor to get someone into this unit, check out for a leaky valve on the commode in particular, order it fixed, et cetera. Your Board should come up with a policy on suspected water leaks? It's a darn serious issue at this point, AFAIC.

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