SonnyM1 (California)
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Posted:
What are your guest fees for use of daily club amenities; all inclusive, by amenity such as tennis, pickleball
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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Posted:
We do not have any. It would be the expense it takes to maintain or use
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KerryL1 (California)
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Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our recreational amenities are swimming pool, Jacuzzi spa, gym, Billiard Room, BBQ area. None may be reserved. There is no charge to residents for their guests, but residents must accompany their guests. Our Assn. can limit the number of guests per residence in these areas, but we've never needed to.
We have two indoor sizable "Party Rooms," one with some kitchen appliances that the assn. charges residents to reserve--nonrefundable--and a refundable security deposit depending on how many guests they expect.
We have two indoor sizable "Party Rooms," one with some kitchen appliances that the assn. charges residents to reserve--nonrefundable--and a refundable security deposit depending on how many guests they expect.
LoriM15 (Florida)
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Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We do not have a charge to use any of our amenities, except for reserving the ballroom in one of the two clubhouses for parties and a monitor. Otherwise, use of the amenities (pools, bocce, tennis, pickleball, volleyball, basketball, billiards, etc.) is included in the monthly HOA fee. We do not provide day passes for non-residents. Everyone must be an HOA member or guest.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posts: 6,299
Posted:
If the HOA allows guests/non-owners to use their amenities (and charges money for it!), these facilities essentially become public which means they need to be ADA-complaint. The renovations that are needed could be expensive depending on the current state of the amenities.
The HOA would also have to beef up their liability insurance to make sure they're protected if a guest is injured and sues.
And you have more wear-and-tear.
In short, I think opening the facilities and charging money for their use creates additional obligations that have to be paid for. I don't think guest fees will come close to compensating for these additional expenses.
The HOA would also have to beef up their liability insurance to make sure they're protected if a guest is injured and sues.
And you have more wear-and-tear.
In short, I think opening the facilities and charging money for their use creates additional obligations that have to be paid for. I don't think guest fees will come close to compensating for these additional expenses.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posts: 6,299
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Posted By CathyA3 on 08/17/2022 1:49 PM
If the HOA allows guests/non-owners to use their amenities (and charges money for it!), these facilities essentially become public which means they need to be ADA-complaint. The renovations that are needed could be expensive depending on the current state of the amenities.
The HOA would also have to beef up their liability insurance to make sure they're protected if a guest is injured and sues.
And you have more wear-and-tear.
In short, I think opening the facilities and charging money for their use creates additional obligations that have to be paid for. I don't think guest fees will come close to compensating for these additional expenses.
If the HOA allows guests/non-owners to use their amenities (and charges money for it!), these facilities essentially become public which means they need to be ADA-complaint. The renovations that are needed could be expensive depending on the current state of the amenities.
The HOA would also have to beef up their liability insurance to make sure they're protected if a guest is injured and sues.
And you have more wear-and-tear.
In short, I think opening the facilities and charging money for their use creates additional obligations that have to be paid for. I don't think guest fees will come close to compensating for these additional expenses.
ADA-compliant - although "complaint" may be humorously on point.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posts: 6,299
Posted:
And while I'm on ADA compliance and money, is upgrading the amenities to comply the type of change that requires homeowner approval? I'm thinking yes. It's more complicated than just putting in a comfort height toilet.
I bet Sonny thought this was a simple question....
I bet Sonny thought this was a simple question....
AugustinD
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Posts: 1,027
Posted:
When SonnyM1 referred to 'guests,' I hope SonnyM1 meant guests of bona fide owners at the HOA/COA.
If SonnyM1 meant the HOA/COA board is allowing members of the public that have no connection to any owner to use the pool et cetera, then I suspect the HOA/COA board is violating the governing documents. For the usual fun, let's toss in that any income generated in this fashion (meaning opening the amenities up to use by the general public) is likely going to be taxable and needs to be properly reported to the newly re-invigorated IRS. Oh and do not forget to let the HOA/COA insurer and HOA/COA attorney know that folks not affiliated with the HOA/COA in any way are now using the pool. I expect the insurer and attorney will go ballistic and tell the board to knock it off or else.
If SonnyM1 meant the HOA/COA board is allowing members of the public that have no connection to any owner to use the pool et cetera, then I suspect the HOA/COA board is violating the governing documents. For the usual fun, let's toss in that any income generated in this fashion (meaning opening the amenities up to use by the general public) is likely going to be taxable and needs to be properly reported to the newly re-invigorated IRS. Oh and do not forget to let the HOA/COA insurer and HOA/COA attorney know that folks not affiliated with the HOA/COA in any way are now using the pool. I expect the insurer and attorney will go ballistic and tell the board to knock it off or else.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posts: 14,265
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Posted By AugustinD on 08/17/2022 2:19 PM
When SonnyM1 referred to 'guests,' I hope SonnyM1 meant guests of bona fide owners at the HOA/COA.
If SonnyM1 meant the HOA/COA board is allowing members of the public that have no connection to any owner to use the pool et cetera, then I suspect the HOA/COA board is violating the governing documents. For the usual fun, let's toss in that any income generated in this fashion (meaning opening the amenities up to use by the general public) is likely going to be taxable and needs to be properly reported to the newly re-invigorated IRS. Oh and do not forget to let the HOA/COA insurer and HOA/COA attorney know that folks not affiliated with the HOA/COA in any way are now using the pool. I expect the insurer and attorney will go ballistic and tell the board to knock it off or else.
When SonnyM1 referred to 'guests,' I hope SonnyM1 meant guests of bona fide owners at the HOA/COA.
If SonnyM1 meant the HOA/COA board is allowing members of the public that have no connection to any owner to use the pool et cetera, then I suspect the HOA/COA board is violating the governing documents. For the usual fun, let's toss in that any income generated in this fashion (meaning opening the amenities up to use by the general public) is likely going to be taxable and needs to be properly reported to the newly re-invigorated IRS. Oh and do not forget to let the HOA/COA insurer and HOA/COA attorney know that folks not affiliated with the HOA/COA in any way are now using the pool. I expect the insurer and attorney will go ballistic and tell the board to knock it off or else.
Well said.
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