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JohnM102 (Arizona)
Posts: 24
Posted:
We have a group of 10 lots in our community whose only access is via a private road. Currently only 4 of the lots have homes built on them. As a private road, the HOA has no responsibility for the maintenance of the road. That responsibility resides with the 10 homeowners. The road is blacktopped and is about 15 years old. It was in reasonably good shape for its age since the use was minimal. Recently one of the four homeowners at the top of the road decided to build a pool on his property. To do so, required the use of extremely heavy construction equipment and the hauling in on tons of gravel. The result is this tore up the road to the point it is now riddled with huge potholes and is marginally usable. The other owners approached the individual owner building the pool about the damage and both him and the construction company deny any liability. Has anyone experienced such a situation in their community and if so, how was it resolved?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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May want to get some proof the work caused the damage. Like going to find out what the weight limits are on the roads etc... Plus did they have approval to put the pool in?

At this point it is everyone pay for it to be fixed if it's the responsibiity of the HOA or sue the individual for the damages caused.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By JohnM102 on 08/15/2022 7:49 PM
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As a private road, the HOA has no responsibility for the maintenance of the road.

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I think that's your answer: it's a private dispute among the owners along that road, and stay out of it.

My answer would change if there would be negative consequences to the HOA - for example, the damaged road causes drainage issues, and HOA-owned property floods whenever you get heavy rain. If something like that is going on, the board has an obligation to deal with the problem. But that means legal action - the board should talk to the HOA's attorney about possible remedies.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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I agree with Cathy, why would the HOA be involved?

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JohnS122
Posts: 15
Posted:
what is defined in the plat map and the CCR's description of the property? Often gated/private roads are defined as HOA common property, thus shared costs for the Members. Perhaps its defined as shared costs for just those 10 homes?

- was there an approved ACC application for the pool? Seems like if it was approved without restriction of truck size/weight, than its on the HOA responsibility.

- you could go and try to document cause and effect, but seems like a big task. Need to get the engineering specs for the road, to be able to say definitively the trucks were oversized. Need to document before/after conditions. Need to document that the road had plenty of more years of life in it. Think of all the steps needed to connect this damage to the pool trucks.

JohnS122
Posts: 15
Posted:
also, ultimately, the repair task needs to be done and managed by the entity that owns the road. The HOA? The aggregate group of 10 homes? Then after the repair is completed, there generally is listed in the CCR's the procedure to bill a Limited Assessment directly to the responsible party for damage/repair of common property. It's just another assessment bill that may end up in debt collections/litigation/foreclosure.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
JohnM said:

As a private road, the HOA has no responsibility for the maintenance of the road.

Is this not the end of discussion?
JohnS122
Posts: 15
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Posted By JohnC46 on 08/16/2022 3:40 PM
JohnM said:

As a private road, the HOA has no responsibility for the maintenance of the road.

Is this not the end of discussion?

I agree, but that seems quite uncommon for a private lane within an HOA to not be HOA common property. Who's lot is it then? Is it a sub/local HOA within the Master HOA? The presented details does not seem likely to be correct.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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I've seen private roads off of a main road that might feed two or three homes. Basically, a shared driveway.

If any home has been sold, I suspect that there is a private road agreement.
The road should be repaired per that agreement or those in the agreement need to compromise or see about legal actions.

If the road is not a responsibility of the HOA, then the HOA should not be involved except to say that those complaining should look to their private road agreement.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By JohnS122 on 08/16/2022 3:53 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 08/16/2022 3:40 PM
JohnM said:

As a private road, the HOA has no responsibility for the maintenance of the road.

Is this not the end of discussion?


I agree, but that seems quite uncommon for a private lane within an HOA to not be HOA common property. Who's lot is it then? Is it a sub/local HOA within the Master HOA? The presented details does not seem likely to be correct.

When I was home buying ten years ago, my REA showed me a few homes that were a cluster of three homes with a shared driveway, H2TFN..
First, I am not risking some inconsiderate jaggoff blocking the driveway, second the driveway would be a shared expense with some deed issues.

Typically the owners are the HOA, so the entire road as identified in the plats would be a shared expense among the deeded homeowners,
Read your deed and your plats.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
In a nearby community in my area, shared driveways are very common, with 2-6 homes sharing a single driveway. It's a way to increase housing density but minimize noise by keeping the community roads pretty far apart. The larger driveways are practically private streets and cul-de-sacs, and the HOA does not maintain any of them. I agree with LetA, conflict seems to be built into the situation.

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