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SlavkoG (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I lived in this community for 5 years. I never received Declaration of Covenants from the HOA. I re landscaped my front yard. It looks beautiful even if I say so myself. The HOA wants me to submit plans for approval. Since I didn't know the approvals were necessary do I have to go retroactive and submit the plans or can I argue I knew nothing about prior approvals.

Slavko, Florida
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By SlavkoG on 08/13/2022 11:12 AM
I lived in this community for 5 years. I never received Declaration of Covenants from the HOA. I re landscaped my front yard. It looks beautiful even if I say so myself. The HOA wants me to submit plans for approval. Since I didn't know the approvals were necessary do I have to go retroactive and submit the plans or can I argue I knew nothing about prior approvals.

Slavko, Florida

Pleading ignorance will get you know where. Your Declaration is filed with your deed and when you bought your house you agreed to follow them. Also, why would you want to do this when at the same time you want to complain about someone else following the ARC process and actually got approval?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What John said. It was your responsibility to read the documents - you knew you were moving to a HOA community, so what did you think that meant?

I dont see where the HOA is ordering you to dig up the work - you should still have the plans and invoices that will provide enough information for you to draft the request. While you're at it, read the rest of your documents so you'll know what else is expected of you as an association member. Then go and sin no more

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Agree entirely with Shelia & JohnT.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By SlavkoG on 08/13/2022 11:12 AM

Since I didn't know the approvals were necessary do I have to go retroactive and submit the plans or can I argue I knew nothing about prior approvals.

YES.

When you closed, your closing company should have informed you that your deed was encumbered with covenants. I suspect you even signed something in the closing paperwork that you were notified of that.

That said, closing companies make mistakes (mine did when I closed and told me that there were no covenants - I corrected them). Even if the company made a mistake, they do not have the power or authority to release your lot from those covenants. Hence, you need to comply with them.

If the company did fail to tell you, you might have a case to be let out of the contract. If you win, the home would be returned to the previous owners and you would have to find a new home. I expect that this is something you do not want to consider.

Since it has been 5 years since you purchased, I also expect you have been making assessment payments. If not, fix that now or there could be other issues. If you have been making assessment payments, you were aware that there was an HOA.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Hence why CC&R's and Articles of Incorporation are PUBLIC documents. They are the responsibility of the buyer or the seller (Depending on your state) to get/provide. Just because you did not get them does not mean you do not have to comply with them. There are many reasons people do not get copies at closing. Those states with forward thinking to require the seller to provide by closing is ahead of the game IMO. Those states that do not, well they view it as "your responsibility to be informed". No one is responsible if they are PUBLIC documents.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I looked, FL does have a disclosure requirement.

See:

Condominium and Homeowners’ Association Disclosures in Florida 2017 article

FL 720.401 Prospective purchasers subject to association membership requirement; disclosure required; covenants; assessments; contract cancellation.—

I expect the OP did get a disclosure statement. Unfortunately, the statement is only required to state that the covenants exist and are available - they are not required to be provided
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We have the OPs exact situation in our community. Homeowner and deuplex neighbor took out all their landscaping with no approval. We asked for a plan. They refused. So far one side has been fined $500 and will get fined again because still no plans. The other side just gave a list of plants but no plans and are up for fining.

Saying you didn't know isn't a defense. Be prepared for the HOA to fine you. Even if you decide to fight and get a lawyer, most likely you will spend a lot of money and still lose.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
In many HOA's, the HOA has the right to remove all the landscaping and put it back the way it was. They then can send you the bill for that work. If you do not pay, they can lien for that money owed. Which is much stronger than a fine.

I've got a few neighbors in my new HOA who tried the "ignorance" claim. Although I know they know they are in a HOA. I told my one neighbor directly and asked them if they read the paperwork. Our developer is technically the "owner" when you buy a new property. They gave me a copy weeks if not months prior to closing on my home upon request. They even emailed me a copy.

I would work on developing your plan and submitting it ASAP. Atleast they are asking for you to get permission. That is kind of a rare thing in a HOA. Next time don't do it again....

Former HOA President
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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I want to add that we get the argument about unapproved changes all the time that "it looks great" "I'm upgrading the neighborhood" "my neighbors love it". It doesn't matter how great it looks. It's all about following the rules and getting approval.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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LoriM that sounds just like a poster we know here that is trying to fight the same thing about removing weeds in a common area? They still can't understand why the board doesn't want to let it go...

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By LoriM15 on 08/14/2022 9:49 AM
I want to add that we get the argument about unapproved changes all the time that "it looks great" "I'm upgrading the neighborhood" "my neighbors love it". It doesn't matter how great it looks. It's all about following the rules and getting approval.

Agree. Follow the rules.

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