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RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Our HOA on’t release the names of ACC members, claiming they and anonymity. Don’t members have a right to kno who is on the Committees?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why is it a "Right"? The committee is made up of volunteers from your neighbors if owner owned HOA. Do you want someone to know where you live or your name if you deny them a request? You all live together!

Former HOA President
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
All of the names of the residents that are on committees are listed on our website. The Architectural "Review" committee does not make final decisions since they are not elected, they will gather the information and make recommendations to the Board who will make the final decision, since they were elected to do so.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
All of the names of the residents that are on committees are listed on our website. The Architectural "Review" committee does not make final decisions since they are not elected, they will gather the information and make recommendations to the Board who will make the final decision, since they were elected to do so.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Rodger

Assuming you are a TPC 209 HOA, the names of the committee members may not be withheld from you. You may have to submit a formal request to review the records of the association if the names are not provided.

However, I would ask, why are you asking for the names? You may not contact a committee member directly regarding an ACC request; any contact with the committee should be through another channel such as the property manager.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Melissa

An owner in a Texas HOA which is organized under Texas Property Code Section 209 has the right to request information regarding virtually any aspect of the HOA and its operations. There are a very few exceptions, not many, and certainly the exceptions do not include withholding the names of committee volunteers.

However, I agree with your concern. There is no reason why an owner should have contact with an ACC committee member other than in a formal meeting convened for the purpose of considering a modification request.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I have problem item that. We are adults and someone breaks the law or harasses you call the cops. Note up until just recently the names were made made public. Moreover if anyone files a lawsuit against the HOA they are going easily win an injunction anyway because of the record law in the State of Texas so it it’s a no brainer, under the “ reasonable standards tests” courts use that the name should be released to members just as they always been. Furthermore, Section 209.00505 of Texas Property Code, as passed in September 2021 and codified into Texas State law restricts members of the property owners association’s board of directors, and their spouses and household members, for serving on the architectural committee. How would any resident know if this section was being violated IF they are not allowed the official record ( books) to include names of ACC Committee members? The reason legislatures put that provision in there was because they discovered BOD’s were doing just that and there no checks n balances in place. The books are to be provided to members upon request as a checks and balance system for residents to ensure the HOA is not doing their own thing. That’s why legislatures require HOA’s to release official records ( books) because we are the checks and balances. So the law is clear as day.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
The ACC does make approval and disapproval decisions here but a disapproval can be appealed to the BOD. But ether way the ACC is in the approval chain and are appointed volunteers per Covenant. Their names are part of the official HOA and record, the books, and in the state of Texas those are records are to made available to any resident of that HOA upon request. Failure to provide such a record is grounds for a lawsuit per Texas Property law.. But the ACC is the approving authority per covenant on home improvement requests .
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Because as residents e need are the checks n balances for the HOA. The there as a problem in Texas the some Board of Directors appointing family members to the ACC Committee and the ACC refused to provide the names of those members to the residents upon request. So our Legislature’s addressed and fix that problem in Sept 2021 session requiring that appointing family is not authorized and that members have legal access to all records upon written request. Failure to provide authorized an immediate of action to the justice of peace for an injunction against that HOA for violating that law. That’s likely where this going way. N just is hoping reasonable conclude that HOA can hide named after that 2021 statute was passed. Anyone could “ fear “ anything, that is just an emotion. There has no hint of any retaliation to anyone and nobody forces to be a committee member. If they don’t their name shared they shouldn’t be volunteering. Also our covenant requires ACC signature approval on request they approve since they are the approving authority per covenant and that you have no proof that your improvement was ever official approved covenant. Actually it requires all 3 ACC signatures not just one. They HOA is not a checks n balancer, that right by law is given to solely to homeowners. The HOA has a conflict of interest because they hired by the BOD and get by the BOD treasurer.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Hired? A HOA is usually volunteer only as is the committees. Did mis something here?

Former HOA President
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Nobody has mentioned directly contacting an ACC member, only that their names be provided as Texas la requires. That way reminders can verify that BOD family were no appointed as they before 2021, which resulted in Statutory change, and that approval forms contain each ACC member as required. If they are ever retaliated against we have laws in place for that. We are adults, not cub scouts.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I agree totally with your first paragraphs by the way because that is what the Texas Property states unambiguously.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
POA not HOA. Misspoke. We outsource some duties to a POA and to keep accurate records of everything. She gets paid by the HOA.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If that's how you feel, then write a letter to the board, cite the statute (and perhaps your own documents regarding owner access to association records) and see what happens. If the answer is still no, you can consult a private attorney regarding your next move. I'd you feel this is worth going to small claims court over, have a it.

But first....does this ACC make ALL the decisions regarding exterior change requests, or do they make recommendations to the board, who makes the final decision? If it's the latter (or even if it's not), I think your focus would be on the decision itself. For instance, if you were told no, you should have received a reason and information on an appeals process. If you didn't receive anything but a no, or you filed your request three months ago and haven't heard anything, you should take that to the board and get a response.

Bill asked why you want the information and I'd be curious about your next step. Are you planning to match to the homes of these members, demanding to know if they voted for or against your request and why? What will do I'd they say "read the letter and time an appeal if you're unhappy - have a nice day?". We live in a time when people will take drastic action over trivial things and for all you know, that's what happened and so precautions are necessary .

By the way, favoritism works both ways. Say you learn your neighbor two doors down is a member - how do we know you something his or her house and pressure him/her to do you a solid on a request you know should be rejected?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Also Texas State Property code says they there would have to be a declaration in the Covenant stating that Committee members names need not be released. There is no such declaration, so those those names are supposed be official records, documented in the book of books, and provided to any residential homeowner upon written request. Of course that request is required to be sent by certified mail and them the 10 day clock starts. After that ten days if the information is not provided Statute states that in itself is a cause of action which he can filed at the Justice of Peace fore injunction. Which simple means a judge would order the HOA to release those names or be in contempt of court. I just like things done b the book.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
NO, not at all, I am retired military and hen it comes to regulations, Statute and law, I like things done right. The HOA represents all residents per delegation. If they willfully violate the law they put the entire community at risk of liability. That’s why we are the checks n balances. As I stated if the ACC approves a homeowners improvement request ( yes that’s the ACC’s role per covenant” that approval document is supposed to include all 3 signatures of the ACC Committee. You are supposed to retain that document forever, and pass it on to anyone who buys your home. That way your improvement can never be challenged. I already know what I would do but it really doesn’t harm me right now so I’m going to wait. . I can see a situation down the road where it might bit this will likely be corrected by then. I would send in the official records request by certified mail, wait the ten day period, and if I don’t receive a response or if they deny providing record, I would pay the $250 fee it takes to request an injunction from the Justice of Peace. I would write up the affidavit, have it notarized , attach a copy of the statutes and denial, and simple file it with the Court Clerk and get the cause number.. Been through that process before and it’s easy to get an injunction when you right as a matter of law . All courts use the reasonable standard and test. It’s really cut and dry I just wanted to see others thought, but appears Texas State gives more weight to homeowners than some other States.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I forgot to add fear of of retaliation is not justification to not follow covenant procedures and Texas State Property Code. That in a whole different ball park, or lane, and there is no such declaration in the Covenant for good reason. That is a law enforcement issue,, not part of the Property code. It’s part of separate criminal code followed a civil remedies code. . That’s going ay beyond the 4 corners of a Contractual covenant. If someone marches to your door and harasses or threatens you, you call the cops not the HOA because it’s criminal matter and has nothing do with the covenant.The only thing that matters is what stated in the contract, only the 4 corners of that contract, and applicable Property code Statute. That’s it.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I forgot to add fear of of retaliation is not justification to not follow covenant procedures and Texas State Property Code. That in a whole different ball park, or lane, and there is no such declaration in the Covenant for good reason. That is a law enforcement issue,, not part of the Property code. It’s part of separate criminal code followed a civil remedies code. . That’s going ay beyond the 4 corners of a Contractual covenant. If someone marches to your door and harasses or threatens you, you call the cops not the HOA because it’s criminal matter and has nothing do with the covenant.The only thing that matters is what stated in the contract, only the 4 corners of that contract, and applicable Property code Statute. That’s it.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You're correct that there should be written documentation of exterior change request approvals, but you also said " if the ACC approves an exterior change, the approval document is supposed to include the signatures of the three committee members". The "if" needs some clarification - is this in your governing documents? was it written in the instructions you received on how to submit an exterior change request? Does Texas state law mandate three signatures of is this your preference because you know there are three people on the committee?

Personally, I don't see a problem as long as I get a written response on association letterhead in a reasonable amount of time. If I'm denied, I want appeal rights and the hearing done by the board since they ultimately sign off on all this anyway - and I know who they are.

You also said this doesn't harm you right now, so why bring this up? Are you planning something that you know will be controversial and therefore want to know who you'll be dealing with and star lobbying them now to improve your chances of approval?

Maybe it's me, but I'd be a little more concerned with what's in front of me as opposed to something that may not be a problem. You submit your request, get it approved with written documentation of the same, so what would you be concerned about at that point? A copy of the approval the same should also be in the association's permanent records so there's no confusion, especially since owners (and board members and committee members change). Design standards for fences, windows, house color, etc., also change, as tastes and materials change.

Deal with this if and when it becomes an issue or go to court and take your chances - we aren't attorneys and don't live in your community, so it really doesn't matter what we think. Good luck in whatever you choose to.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Anyone on a committee trying to hide, as in not be named, should not be on a committee nor should the BOD allow such.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 08/04/2022 2:45 PM
Anyone on a committee trying to hide, as in not be named, should not be on a committee nor should the BOD allow such.

Agree 100%. An HOA and it's committees are not a secret organization.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
In my opinion, no you do not have a right to know who is on various committees (at least I have seen nothing in writing saying it is).

That said, I agree that the names of committee members should be made known by the board. Contact info for those members (other then an HOA email) should be up to the individual. We had some that didn't mind it being released and some who did.

Each board is different and will make their own decision.

RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
The changes in law effective Sept 2021 made it clear that members have a legal right to that record, period. BOD’s were doing their own thing so legislatures stepped in and changed the “ request of records” law and also stated that the BOD can appoint family members or relatives as they had been doing. They change the record law so that homeowners could receive the names of all appointees and all official HOA records so that there a checks n balances system. It a matter law, not opinion. We have what we call laws here in Texas that supersede anything in a Covenant. There is no declaration in the covenant allowing the HOA not to reveal the names, nor is there one allowing them to keep those anonymous. The statute is clear. I chose not file injunction yet, but that doesn’t not going to. The HOA is not above the law and will be held accountable as a matter of law.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Rodger wrote: "Section 209.00505 of Texas Property Code, as passed in September 2021 and codified into Texas State law restricts members of the property owners association’s board of directors, and their spouses and household members, [from] serving on the architectural committee. How would any resident know if this section was being violated IF they are not allowed the official record ( books) to include names of ACC Committee members? "

Even if you know the names, related ppl. often have different names from each other, so then what? Can you cite the exact words of this Section? Only the part that applies to co-owners not serving simultaneously?

As a part of the official records of the assn., I'd say committee members' names must be available to Owners who ask following the correct procedure.

In CA, too, the Arch. Comm. has the final word on approving arch. change requests. If denied, Owners can appeal to the board.
RodgerF (Texas)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Section 209.00505 - Architectural Review Authority
(a) In this section, "architectural review authority" means the governing authority for the review and approval of improvements within a subdivision.
(b) This section:
(1) applies only to a property owners' association that consists of more than 40 lots; and
(2) does not apply during a development period or during any period in which the declarant:
(A) appoints at least a majority of the members of the architectural review authority or otherwise controls the appointment of the architectural review authority; or
(B) has the right to veto or modify a decision of the architectural review authority.
(c) A person may not be appointed or elected to serve on an architectural review authority if the person is:
(1) a current board member;
(2) a current board member's spouse; or
(3) a person residing in a current board member's household.
(d) A decision by the architectural review authority denying an application or request by an owner for the construction of improvements in the subdivision may be appealed to the board. A written notice of the denial must be provided to the owner by certified mail, hand delivery, or electronic delivery. The notice must:
(1) describe the basis for the denial in reasonable detail and changes, if any, to the application or improvements required as a condition to approval; and
(2) inform the owner that the owner may request a hearing under Subsection (e) on or before the 30th day after the date the notice was mailed to the owner.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 974
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 08/04/2022 2:45 PM
Anyone on a committee trying to hide, as in not be named, should not be on a committee nor should the BOD allow such.

This, 100%.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

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