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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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After being HOA President for a couple of years, I know a ton of people in our community. I've made it a point to meet everyone at every opportunity.

With all of that, I don't necessarily consider them to be "friends". I'm not a person with a lot of friends and am okay with that.

But sometimes, when the going gets rough, I find it's a bit lonely being at the top.

My perspective is that HOA Presidents with specific circles of friends are a bit problematic. While there is no rule that says a HOA president can't have friends in the community, having circles of friends creates the risk of a two tier system which wouldn't be good.

What's your take on whether the HOA president should or should not have circles of friends in the community in which they reside?
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/01/2022 7:20 AM
After being HOA President for a couple of years, I know a ton of people in our community. I've made it a point to meet everyone at every opportunity.

With all of that, I don't necessarily consider them to be "friends". I'm not a person with a lot of friends and am okay with that.

But sometimes, when the going gets rough, I find it's a bit lonely being at the top.

My perspective is that HOA Presidents with specific circles of friends are a bit problematic. While there is no rule that says a HOA president can't have friends in the community, having circles of friends creates the risk of a two tier system which wouldn't be good.

What's your take on whether the HOA president should or should not have circles of friends in the community in which they reside?

Isn’t this why you have us, Michael?

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/01/2022 7:20 AM
After being HOA President for a couple of years, I know a ton of people in our community. I've made it a point to meet everyone at every opportunity.

With all of that, I don't necessarily consider them to be "friends". I'm not a person with a lot of friends and am okay with that.

But sometimes, when the going gets rough, I find it's a bit lonely being at the top.

My perspective is that HOA Presidents with specific circles of friends are a bit problematic. While there is no rule that says a HOA president can't have friends in the community, having circles of friends creates the risk of a two tier system which wouldn't be good.

What's your take on whether the HOA president should or should not have circles of friends in the community in which they reside?

Isn’t this why you have us, Michael?

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
BancsS
Posts: 269
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/01/2022 7:20 AM
After being HOA President for a couple of years, I know a ton of people in our community. I've made it a point to meet everyone at every opportunity.

With all of that, I don't necessarily consider them to be "friends". I'm not a person with a lot of friends and am okay with that.

But sometimes, when the going gets rough, I find it's a bit lonely being at the top.

My perspective is that HOA Presidents with specific circles of friends are a bit problematic. While there is no rule that says a HOA president can't have friends in the community, having circles of friends creates the risk of a two tier system which wouldn't be good.

What's your take on whether the HOA president should or should not have circles of friends in the community in which they reside?

You should have circles of friends in the community. You won't be president forever. Just recognizing that it could be problematic is part of the solution. Just be as fair as possible and show no favoritism. If you need to vent, vent to a friend outside of the HOA who will be objective and not be afraid to give you unbiased advice.

Your loneliness at the top comment is interesting. Humbleness is a more attractive trait and will gain you more respect.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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They are neighbors.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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You are still a neighbor in your community, so why wouldn't you have a certain group of people you tend to hang out with a little more than others? That doesn't mean being indifferent to everyone else, that's just human nature. All of us may have friends at work, but there are a few that you're closer to than others, and occasionally, those morph from being the group you eat lunch with to the ones who wind up at your kid's wedding.

The issue is being fair and consistent as a board member, whether you're an officer or not, and as long as you do that, the folks that vote you in will recognize that and keep voting for you. Everyone else has to PROVE you're not doing your job and there's a difference between disagreeing with the decision that was made vs. getting personal.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/01/2022 7:20 AM
After being HOA President for a couple of years, I know a ton of people in our community. I've made it a point to meet everyone at every opportunity.

With all of that, I don't necessarily consider them to be "friends". I'm not a person with a lot of friends and am okay with that.

But sometimes, when the going gets rough, I find it's a bit lonely being at the top.

My perspective is that HOA Presidents with specific circles of friends are a bit problematic. While there is no rule that says a HOA president can't have friends in the community, having circles of friends creates the risk of a two tier system which wouldn't be good.

What's your take on whether the HOA president should or should not have circles of friends in the community in which they reside?

You have got to be kidding me. Ask your doctor if he can prescribe an anti inflammatory for your swollen ego.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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OK, let me clarify since some are surprised at my choice of wording.

The only reason that "I'm at the top" with regards to our local neighborhood/HOA is due to the extreme apathy and unwillingness to volunteer that is present in our association.

If our community cared even a little bit and was actually willing to lift a finger to help out, I wouldn't be "at the top" by any stretch of the imagination. I really don't belong in the position that I'm in, it's just, no one else cares and I'm sort of there by default rather than any other reason.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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All of my close friends live outside of my community. My neighbors fall under the category of acquaintances - I'm cordial with all of them, but we don't have heart-to-heart conversations. It's both by choice and because I work for the community's builder, so the relationship started out as a professional one and has simply continued in the same vein.

The fact that we're all basically business partners also introduces certain barriers that are absent in strictly personal relationships.

As you noted, being on the board puts certain topics and revelations off limits. It's just the nature of the job.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 08/01/2022 11:14 AM
OK, let me clarify since some are surprised at my choice of wording.

The only reason that "I'm at the top" with regards to our local neighborhood/HOA is due to the extreme apathy and unwillingness to volunteer that is present in our association.

If our community cared even a little bit and was actually willing to lift a finger to help out, I wouldn't be "at the top" by any stretch of the imagination. I really don't belong in the position that I'm in, it's just, no one else cares and I'm sort of there by default rather than any other reason.

Michael, I don't doubt for one minute that you have done a lot of good for your community. I also genuinely believe that you take your title and "powers" way too seriously. I also believe that you are a control freak.

I addition, I believe that what you are doing is not sustainable. You have mentioned many times that apathy is a problem in your HOA which is very common. That means that everything you are doing will overtime become undone once you either burn out or your term expires. Everything you are doing is a short term fix. What's the point in this?

If there is no one else that is prepared to step up and help then it's paramount that your existing PM's hours be increased as well as the scope of services that they provide. If this PM does not have the skill set required to do the work then you need to start looking for one that can. Based on your previous comments you have hinted that your community has the resources to upgrade these services but you always fall back on your belief that no one else is capable.

My recommendation to you is to cut back on the amount of hours you are spending on whatever it is you are doing. Use these hours to make a concentrated effort to recruit potential homeowners that you believe will not be apathetic board members. This means you will have to network with people and really make an effort to find them. In addition draw up a list of what additional services a PM could provide that would lighten the load and find out what it would cost and if affordable then do it. If that means a different Management company then so be it.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
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MichaelT21,
You still have your First Lady, right?

Who answered all of your questions before you joined this site? You must have worn them out.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Funny I am still friends with a few of my former HOA board members. We don't even live there any more! You do get on the board so you can best represent the needs/wants of the other whom elected you to get there. You don't get on a board solely to do what you want. You do live there after all amongst each other.

People are always going to claim your "friends with so-so" that is why "fill in the blanks". Heck I hired a vendor and it's like all of sudden you're in bed with them!

There is nothing wrong with being "friends" or hanging out with your fellow neighbors. That is what a neighborhood is about. Just don't always expect to agree with eachother or not find some fair weather friends along the way.

Former HOA President
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Just when I thought I heard it all, now this nonsense!
BancsS
Posts: 269
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/01/2022 1:11 PM
Funny I am still friends with a few of my former HOA board members. We don't even live there any more! You do get on the board so you can best represent the needs/wants of the other whom elected you to get there. You don't get on a board solely to do what you want. You do live there after all amongst each other.

People are always going to claim your "friends with so-so" that is why "fill in the blanks". Heck I hired a vendor and it's like all of sudden you're in bed with them!

There is nothing wrong with being "friends" or hanging out with your fellow neighbors. That is what a neighborhood is about. Just don't always expect to agree with eachother or not find some fair weather friends along the way.

Hmm it's funny you have friends.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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The issue that any board member has to reckon with is this:

A director has the authority to approve fines, send people to collection, and foreclose on them. Your neighbors who are not on the board can't return the favor. This power imbalance will affect your relationships with your neighbors, no way around it. (I suspect it's the source of some of the viciousness you occasionally see in HOA fights.)

This is why I think that maintaining a professional relationship works better.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By CathyA3 on 08/01/2022 1:42 PM
The issue that any board member has to reckon with is this:

A director has the authority to approve fines, send people to collection, and foreclose on them. Your neighbors who are not on the board can't return the favor. This power imbalance will affect your relationships with your neighbors, no way around it. (I suspect it's the source of some of the viciousness you occasionally see in HOA fights.)

This is why I think that maintaining a professional relationship works better.


I agree.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Posted By MarkM19 on 08/01/2022 12:24 PM
MichaelT21,
You still have your First Lady, right?

Who answered all of your questions before you joined this site? You must have worn them out.

Yeah, I wondered about that, too. No - not that he "wore them out" - but I remember one of his first questions in here was something like "Can I keep my wife from attending Board meetings?"

Please forgive my digression: from my personal experience, my wife is absolutely "the (wo)man behind the throne". HOA business: it's trivial but also important; the questions and problems that come up are "interesting"{1}; and answers often require 'judgement' - that funny place where experience and opinion and hard facts all have to come together. So natch my wife *hears it all* and knows it all (because I'm not smart enough to see all of the angles, but she'll almost always see something I do not), and you'd better believe her opinions are considered, and I trust her to keep it all quiet. Because that's what spouses *do* for each other.

I believe this is common. I never tell a spouse anything I wouldn't want the other spouse to know.

Are there folks out there who "go it alone" and keep all of the HOA stuff to themselves? If so, that must be rough. I speculate that everyone, married or single or whatever, needs - or could use - an HOA-buddy to help them understand "What the hell is going on here?"

BillD

{1} and (IME, YMMV) "original". I've noticed a handful of common patterns but the vast majority of situations I've encountered here on HOATalk and in real life are original almost to the point of being 'creative' - I've been playing with misc pieces of AI software recently, and they've been doing some *>amazing<* stuff{2} but they're about 50 years from replacing the function of an effective HOA Board.

{2} google on Midjourney.

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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I am probably the most disliked member of our BOD as I am the most outspoken and confrontational member. Somebody has to do it but I keep getting elected. The rest make nice and it works for us.

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