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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
We have an outspoken homeowner who believes that HOAs should accumulate wealth in the same sense that families try to accumulate wealth. In order words, when times are good, we should crank dues up to collect more than we need, and then when times are lean, reduce dues but draw upon past savings to pay the bills.

This makes no sense to me. I think that we should spend all of the dues collected, minus reserves, each year that they are collected. It makes no sense for me, for example, to collect $300,000 in dues but only spend $150,000, keeping the extra $150,000 as a slush fund against potential lean times coming down the road.

In my mind, if we intentionally collect more than is needed, we are in effect stealing from our homeowners. We should never collect more than we plan on spending, as we cannot invest funds but homeowners have the option to invest personal dollars. Our measley 0.35% interest is pitiful to what private homeowners can do with their personal funds.

Is there anyone here that intentionally collects more in dues than they are planning on spending. Again, not talking reserves. Reserves count as money spent from a financial accounting standpoint.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I strongly disagree with the homeowner - not least because the laws applying to each entity are different, and an HOA can't pass its wealth on to its heirs.

In fact, the laws that govern HOAs make it hard to accumulate any kind of funds outside of the reserves. *All* of an HOA's funds are earmarked for spending - it's just that some of the spending won't happen for a number of years.

A number of states have laws that require associations to return excess operating funds to the homeowners at the end of the year, which is the exact opposite of saving for a rainy day.

So... there are two ways to make ends meet: increase your income and/or decrease your spending. The economics of HOAs make both of those difficult or impossible in tough times. You can't increase income beyond what your budget requires, and you can't control whether or not homeowners will pay their assessments on time. Collections and foreclosures actually increase spending in the short term. Decreasing spending can sort of happen around the edges, but there are limits - neglecting maintenance actually increases costs over time (since delaying repairs leads to more damage) and the aforementioned law will make you give back unspent funds. If you don't have such a law on the books in your state and your CC&Rs are silent about it, you may be able to save some bucks by some judicious cut backs in non-essentials.

My personal preference would be to allow HOAs to have a rainy day fund to tide you over hard economic times, but I think the laws and economic realities take this decision out of the board's hands. You can't do it, except in maybe a small way. (This is one of my major gripes with community associations, whose laws were apparently designed by people who don't understand finance. If for-profit companies were forced to operate under the same constraints as community associations, they wouldn't be in business for long.)
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
An anecdote: We sort of have a rainy day fund (actually a snowy day fund). We budget for an average winter, and in years without much snow we stash the excess into our "snow reserve". That way the money will be there the next time we have a bad winter. We label the money this way to prevent less disciplined board members from saying "oh hey, extra money!!" and coming up with something to spend it on.

However, this works only part of the time. People who aren't disciplined with money will find ways to blow through your stash, and your homeowner's proposal won't work without some mechanism to prevent this from happening. This was the same argument we had with Steve who advocated putting reserve funds in stocks: Steve's proposal won't work because there is no way to stop future boards from panicking when the market is down and selling the stocks at a loss. HOA finance encourages short-term thinking.

So, homeowner's idea is likely not legal according to state laws *and* it does not take into account that you can't prevent future boards from tapping this money. In short, it won't work the way he thinks it will.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Three years as president (and CEO, can't forget that) and you already know or should know the answer to that, don't you?

In case you need to be reminded - HOAs are non profit organizations that aren't in it go make a profit. You budget to spend exactly what you bring in reserves, no more, no less. If you have a month where income is higher than expenses, you could leave it in the operating account ( it'll get spent on something eventually) or put it in reserves. (that's what we'd do at the end of the year, depending on the numbers).

Clearly, this guy doesn't understand how budgets work, especially HOA budgets. You could tell him what you said here, and then challenge him to find a HOA similar to yours that budgets and spends money as he suggests. If he finds one, the board wil take a look,but until then, you and your colleagues will continue to apply proven money management and budgeting principles used in BUSINESS, not a household budget.

(This is why we really need decent consumer education in school - too many people font use their heads for more than a hat rack,as my dad used to say).

Or just thank him for the suggestions and move on. If he can convince others to entertain this nonsense, then address it at that time

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkR21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 710
Posted:
No
Nc planned community act states extra funds to be returned to homeowners or used to decrease future dues
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We do have a restricted fund earmarked for hurricane cleanup. We of course have reserve funds and our operating budget, but this money was given to us as an incentive when we renewed our Comcast contract a couple of years ago (based on number of doors in the community). The previous board marked it as restricted funds to be used only for hurricane cleanup. In our area it's not a matter of if we will be hit, it's a matter of when we will be hit and it happens every few years. Even a bad tropical storm can cause a cleanup expense for downed trees, tree limbs and palm fronds. It's expensive and impossible to budget for in our regular budget. Other than that we do not stash cash - but we do have a cushion of a couple of months of operating expenses in our account to use for necessary but unbudgeted expenses during the year. If there's anything left, those funds rollover to the next year's budget so we don't have big fee increases year to year.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
What the homeowner is suggesting could have tax consequences as you may not be able to use form 1120-H
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
A good rule of thumb is to have 3-4 months operating expense on hand and 85% in reserves. If your Operating account has extra room, I would put more money in your reserves.

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