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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Today i got hammered on social eduard for being unwilling to remove a homeless person (van dweller) from our neighborhood. Problem is, there is no crime in being homeless and the police and city won't do anything. I know of no action that we can take as a hoa.

Any ideas how to respond? Others seem to think it falls within purview but of course no one volunteers how to go about doing so

Clearly, not an hoa issue.

Our streets are public.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If your streets are public, you have zero authority over the individual in the van.

Therefore, all that is left is polite conversation or rampant intimidation.

If you choose intimidation, the police may want a talk with you. Additionally, being a member of the board, the homeless individual could bring legal action against the HOA.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
A homeowner in our community had a sister who was homeless. As I recall, the sister babysat the kids until the parents came home and slept in the parking lot at night. Apparently, there had been drug issues so the lady wasn't allowed in the house most of the time. Since the HOA owned the lot, our security officer (off-duty cop) spoke to the lady and the homeowner and told them the HOA could pursue a trespassing complaint against the lady because she wasn't a resident and the parking lot is for residents. The behavior stopped.

Since your streets are public, you can start by suggesting to homeowners that they notify the police (non-emergency) - I know you said the police won't do anything, but perhaps people will listen if they hear it from the cops. Challenge THEM to call a local organization that works with the homeless for suggestions - if this person just showed up, they may be able to send someone out to talk to them and offer assistance. Until then, unless the person is committing a crime or parking in someone's driveway or camping out in the backyard (then it would be a trespassing issue), you're correct that there may be limit to what the cops can do.

On a related note, some of you may have heard that the 988 crisis hotline for people who may be experiencing mental illness went live yesterday. Mental illness has been a major issue with some people experiencing homelessness and sadly we've all seen a police response with anyone having a mental health crisis doesn't always end well (especially when they're people of color). A big reason for that is because police aren't always trained in dealing with folks like this (or folks with autism, which ISN'T a mental illness in itself).

Concerned family, friends, neighbors, etc., could call 988 if there isn't a criminal situation and speak to trained people who can also refer them to local resources. Check out this link for more information - https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/988

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
If roads are public then not much can do. However, that does not mean there are not "Public laws" that have restrictions. It's not like if you have a public road then all goes. There are codes/laws in place not unlike an HOA would have. You may need to find out if there are laws about how long one can park on a street. Is there a law that they have to have a current tag? Do they need to be running? Can it be considered abandoned?

It may be your HOA may need to do what we did. We had turned our streets to public due to a water issue. However, our streets were never designed to be wide enough. So emergency vehicles could not get through if people parked on both sides. The fire hydrants were on the right side of the streets. We had to go to the City to get them to allow us to be able to paint our curbs "Red" to indicate no parking. Our HOA did not allow for "NO parking sigss" the city would have installed.

We were able to get the code enforcement of our city and a representative to address the city council to make a rule. This may be something you may want to discuss with your city. Limiting parking on your streets. That is about all you can do at this point. Make a rule that you can enforce. Otherwise you can only enforce the laws that do exist.

BTW: I accidently double post by accident. It starts spinning and hit enter again. Sometimes I back up and then hit enter again. Not knowing it's already posted. So it's no big deal. It happens.

Former HOA President
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/16/2022 11:21 PM
Today i got hammered on social eduard for being unwilling to remove a homeless person (van dweller) from our neighborhood. Problem is, there is no crime in being homeless and the police and city won't do anything. I know of no action that we can take as a hoa.

Any ideas how to respond? Others seem to think it falls within purview but of course no one volunteers how to go about doing so

Clearly, not an hoa issue.

Our streets are public.

Offer them $100 in cash if they’ll go somewhere else.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Since Texas was so considerate in busing immigrants to Washington D.C., Los Angeles is considering an ordinance to pay each homeless $100.00, give them two tanks of gas and directions to the great state of Texas.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
I wasn’t trying to be political; my suggestion is based on a consideration of cost / benefits and also my own personal experience. Back in the 20th century, when I was young and single and perhaps a bit wild, I had a few occasions where someone of an undesirable nature decided I was their “friend” and more or less ‘attached’ themselves to my life. In each case I “lent” them $100 and I never heard from any of them again.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
No homelessness isn't a crime, but vagrancy, trespassing and loitering still are. BTW where is the grey water going? Are they doing what Cousin Eddie did?
There are specific places designed for RV's, they are called campgrounds and RV parks, Since the current movement, people feel rules and laws don't apply to them, we
are overwrought with a group of people that make nice neighborhoods look like crap.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LetA on 07/18/2022 8:00 AM
No homelessness isn't a crime, but vagrancy, trespassing and loitering still are. BTW where is the grey water going? Are they doing what Cousin Eddie did?
There are specific places designed for RV's, they are called campgrounds and RV parks, Since the current movement, people feel rules and laws don't apply to them, we
are overwrought with a group of people that make nice neighborhoods look like crap.

You are speaking of the politicians, correct?
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By MaxB4 on 07/18/2022 1:10 PM
Posted By LetA on 07/18/2022 8:00 AM
No homelessness isn't a crime, but vagrancy, trespassing and loitering still are. BTW where is the grey water going? Are they doing what Cousin Eddie did?
There are specific places designed for RV's, they are called campgrounds and RV parks, Since the current movement, people feel rules and laws don't apply to them, we
are overwrought with a group of people that make nice neighborhoods look like crap.


You are speaking of the politicians, correct?

Politicians, and regular citizens. We are living in a world of, "It's all about me."
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaxB4 on 07/18/2022 1:10 PM
Posted By LetA on 07/18/2022 8:00 AM
No homelessness isn't a crime, but vagrancy, trespassing and loitering still are. BTW where is the grey water going? Are they doing what Cousin Eddie did?
There are specific places designed for RV's, they are called campgrounds and RV parks, Since the current movement, people feel rules and laws don't apply to them, we
are overwrought with a group of people that make nice neighborhoods look like crap.


You are speaking of the politicians, correct?

BOTH

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