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MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
We are looking to start a new group that will cater to Widow/Widowers and Single homeowners

Our goal is to have a support for anyone in our beautiful community that has had a loss and
we can support them within the community, if it's mowing a lawn, set up meals, etc.

We want them to feel comfortable, when it's time for them to get out, come to join us get through this single
homeownership to and utilize the strength within our new team to keep busy.

This group will not only help with a loss of a spouse or partner, but to give them a meeting once a month to
talk with others that are in the same position, we will also do activates, and this group would be included
within the HOA Social Committee.

Thank you for any input and/or if you have a committe like this, if you could share the content, rules etc,

I've never been in a committee from the start, so any help with writting out the Mission Statement, Rules and Regulations
would surely help me a lot.

Thank you,

Maggie Cerro
[email protected]
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
While commendable, what you are proposing should not be done by an HOA. There is liability to the HOA, the insurance coverage for the HOA probably won't cover these activities, and it likely does not fall within the guidelines of the CC&Rs and by-laws. I would not recommend this as an HOA activity.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our HOA has a couple of groups that are not committees: a weekly pool aerobics class and a Book Club. The latter meets in one of our HOA's Lounge, which are actually rooms for gatherings. They reserve it and pay the nominal refundable cleaning deposit. Our HOA's monthly newsletter publicizes the book name & time/date of monthly Book Club meetings.

Why do you feel this should be an HOA-sanctioned committee, Maggie, with a charter, mission statement, etc. ?

I like any activity that brings together members of an HOA, so I like the basic concept. I'm wondering, though, why divorced people are not included??? Single means never-married.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/11/2022 12:31 PM
While commendable, what you are proposing should not be done by an HOA. There is liability to the HOA, the insurance coverage for the HOA probably won't cover these activities, and it likely does not fall within the guidelines of the CC&Rs and by-laws. I would not recommend this as an HOA activity.

What a surprise.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
I would be concerned about the liability of volunteers mowing lawns as part of an HOA activity. What if the volunteer damages the irrigation system? Who pays for the repair? The HOA likely since it was an HOA volunteer. What if the lawnmower kicks a rock that causes an eye injury. Who is on the hook for the eye injury? The HOA of course.

When professional vendors are hired, they come with insurance to cover such things. Volunteer committee members don't, which is why the HOA would have insurance. But I am not sure HOA insurance would cover the liability of mowing lawns on private property. That seems like a stretch of the HOA purpose.
MarkR21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 710
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/11/2022 8:04 PM
I would be concerned about the liability of volunteers mowing lawns as part of an HOA activity. What if the volunteer damages the irrigation system? Who pays for the repair? The HOA likely since it was an HOA volunteer. What if the lawnmower kicks a rock that causes an eye injury. Who is on the hook for the eye injury? The HOA of course.

When professional vendors are hired, they come with insurance to cover such things. Volunteer committee members don't, which is why the HOA would have insurance. But I am not sure HOA insurance would cover the liability of mowing lawns on private property. That seems like a stretch of the HOA purpose.

That’s what d&o insurance is for read the policy to see if volunteers are covered. If not easy to add
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There is no problem with having a club like this. Just it should be on it's OWN merit and NOT associated with the HOA. This should not be an HOA sanctioned group. Does not mean it can not make up HOA members. It just should not be funded by the HOA. It should stand on it's own.

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is not a HOA committee. It is a social event or activity. I would not want my dues going to support such a thing. It is only beneficial to a small set of members.

Former HOA President
MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR REPIES.... some more info, and again THANKS

Our HOA has been around for a long time, and is very established... the 2.4 year boom has landed about 1000 homes in our commuittee and we just have more interests for activities and groups.

have a very detailed HOA, it is not a requirement... we don't live in a Freaky Karen/Ken development, we all take care of our properties..
, pools, etc... we have only a few colors your house can't be (lol) and our County is BIG on local regulations, so we have that support for some nonsense that others deal with.

Our insurance covers anyone at an event, and volunteers.

I guess I probably assumed I needed all the bells and whistles for every group, but this
will be under the umbrella of our Social Committee.

I just wanted to see what others might have drafted, as I haven't ever done this...

I'm a numbers person, so writing this all out is difficult, so I just was asking for
examples.

I appreciate everyone's responses..

I have a hard time dealing with the fact that we always get cut off at the knees for an idea because of the 'liability'

There's no such thing as an accident or incident - SOMEONE MUST PAY

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Have you sent out a survey to your homeowners to see if they want such a committee?
MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
it's under the HOA Social Committee... most events occur in our Clubhouse,
which is rentable to the community - at a higher price than an HOA member...
it's all covered by insurance...

Thanks Melissa!

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
I will be honest that I am very surprised you have a group of homeowners who are willing to volunteer their time for an HOA committee to mow lawns, cook meals, or offer other types of tangible support to others.

I will say that there is a lot of energy and excitment for that type of thing, but actual help never materializes. Mainly it is busy body people wanting to know who is in need and then once they find out, back into the woodwork they go. Lots of "rah rah rah" on Facebook but little actual help.

The ones most in need are probably the least well known in the community, and help is never offered for them.

So, I wouldn't set expectations very high of your committee to do actual good, unless you have some close friends that have free time and will support you in the endevour.

Not trying to be negative, just trying to be realistic.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Still wondering, Maggie, why all interested residents can't just get together without being sanctioned by the HOA. As noted, our Book club isn't part of our HOA or any committee.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 07/12/2022 9:04 AM
Still wondering, Maggie, why all interested residents can't just get together without being sanctioned by the HOA. As noted, our Book club isn't part of our HOA or any committee.

They're probably looking for funding. I doubt that people will be willing to mow other's lawns without getting reimbursed. I might be willing to mow 10 lawns on a Saturday, but it'd be nice if the HOA reimburses me for the $17 of gas that I spent to fill my mower. Same with food. Who prepares meals for others without getting reimbursed for groceries, other than for close friends in times of temporary need?

I applaud others that want to help people, I just don't think it's the function of a homeowners association.
MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I know you're not trying to be negative, You're a very detailed guy and I appreciate that totally.

I wasn't asking for approval, just ask if anyone already had this in place.

Sounds like your HOA is elite and has no sense of community, very sad for you. But I don't know where you live...

I live in Florida, now, I researched where I wanted to live - and I didn't want to live in a neighborhood where you only had a choice of 25 colors for your house, all mailboxes are identical, if your garbage can was not out from the street within 30 minutes of pick-up you'd be fined. I live across from a huge toxic neighborhood, and it's a nightmare watching what happens over there.

$120 a year, yes, a year - and is optional. And yes, we get the people that say, "I have a house here I shouldn't have to PAY"
They are at every single meeting and are just haters and jerks... always the same five people... but the other 1000 are great.

But all of our events are always a success!

Believe me I know many people just can't imagine donating their time, doing something and not getting paid for it??!?!?! Sad

In most cases it would never even make it to our committee, and a neighbor will just mow it until they can hire someone...but it was just a suggestion of what we could do for a person in need. Most of the time someone will just post on our website, and it gets done, but many don't have that avenue...

I'm just developing it... I just wanted some input from others that have a program like this. My next step would be to propose

Thank you, Michael
MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
You are exactly correct! I just responded to Michael with that same exact example

Plus I live in Florida, people are happier LMAO well some will always be arses & fighters

We have great success

MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thanks Kerry, We have all those, this is just a new one.

Michael, we have plenty of $ we do fundraisers and support our entire county with our activities.

MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Single means single in my neighborhood LOL No one needs to know the reason - or where the bodies are buried ;)

It will be opened to any no matter.

We just created a great group for the men... it's amazing! over 100 at the first meeting, tonight they have an expert coming to talk about some fishing stuff.

& a Kids Club since last year and the kids LOVE it...

A similar group would seem silly for women, since 95% of all the subgroups are run by the women

Thank you, Kerry!!!

Maggie
MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Our dues is $120 a year, and all activities are funded through our fundraising.

This might change if the market crashes and everyone can't be so giving, but for now, we are very fortunate.

Thanks, Melissa!

Have a great day1
MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
lol

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
I'll say that a voluntary HOA that does a lot of fundraisers and puts on a lot of social committees is different than what I think of an HOA. The ones that I am familiar with are mandatory, are established for the purpose of enforcing the rules/regulations & maintaining the common area, and do just a small amount of social activities each year.

To each their own, but what Maggie is describing sounds more like a neighborhood social group than a homeowners association.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Let us hope so... Otherwise tax consequences and insurance risk abound...

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/12/2022 10:04 AM
I'll say that a voluntary HOA that does a lot of fundraisers and puts on a lot of social committees is different than what I think of an HOA. The ones that I am familiar with are mandatory, are established for the purpose of enforcing the rules/regulations & maintaining the common area, and do just a small amount of social activities each year.

To each their own, but what Maggie is describing sounds more like a neighborhood social group than a homeowners association.

I agree. Not an association issues.

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