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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
I know I posted on this a few months ago, but I'll post again.

How can I motivate our Board to meet in person again? Virtual meetings due to COVID is clearly behind us at this point. No one can claim that they can't meet in person due to COVID concerns as people are gathering, not wearing masks, and in general life has returned to normal. But people are lazy and don't want to walk to my house or drive to the library for a meeting.

What can I do to encourage us to start meeting in person again? It's impportant to me that we can discuss these things in person again.

Any ideas as to how I can motviate people to meet in person once again?
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Michael

I've given this subject a good deal of thought as, like you, I dislike meetings not held in person. Actually I detest them as I have led and participated in hundreds of voice only conference calls since the dial-in conference bridges were deployed in our (corporate career) company sometime in the late 80s/early 90s to reduce travel expenses.

I have come to the conclusion the horse is out of the barn and only a cultural shift will bring people back to in person meetings. I have no idea as to what that shift would be.

Reasons people do not wish to look at the shining faces of others:

1. Covid levels are increasing in some (many?) areas, many people simply do not wish to expose themselves, especially certain age groups.

2. Little to no overhead involved to attend. The library could be next door or you could send a bus to pick up those who wish to attend. Many simply do not wish to be bothered but they will use Zoom if the 49rs or whomever are not playing.

3. As with working from home, one may attend in their 'jammies with unruly hair and no make-up.

4. Similar to #3, attending via Zoom does not preclude imbibing one's adult beverage of choice during the meeting.

5. One may speak up more or less anonymously.

6. One may multi-task while attending.

7. Less risk of being asked to volunteer for the Board or a committee.

8. No need to arrange for child care.

9. One may attend from any location which has internet access.

10. Ugly weather is not a concern/

There are other reasons I'm sure, these are my Top 10. My recommendation is you find some other association windmill to tilt at; I think this one will not be worth the effort.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
In a world of covid you have to factor in the most important part of the equation, finding a venue that will accommodate the meeting. 
Since covid there are places that no longer accommodate such meetings.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Stop trying to control stuff you can not control. You can't make it your vision because it's NOT your vision that makes an HOA. Everyone seems to hate it when I post that I used to have meetings IN the swimming pool. Why? It's Alabama and everyone is more likely at the pool in this heat. Why make the meeting miserable looking out the clubhouse windows at the pool? Plus many of the items we had to discuss were involving pool or clubhouse projects. People could see for themselves what needed to be done.

You can't define a meeting as you want it or envision it. Just not going to happen. Instead you adapt to what the people want or need. Maybe it could be a walk around the block. Meeting at a Starbucks. A church with a meeting room. If you stop defining your vision maybe a new working vision will emerge.

Former HOA President
LisaB21 (Texas)
Posts: 97
Posted:
Are you just trying to accommodate your Board of Directors 3-7 people - however many are on your Board), or do you actually get any attendance from Homeowners? We rarely had any homeowner attendance at month Board meetings held in person even though the meetings were open to any homeowners, and found that when we changed to virtual meetings when COVID started, we had an uptick of homeowners in attendance to the monthly Board meetings. Then once the newness of that wore of and those that attended found that it really was a pretty boring "business" meeting, if you will, with a set agenda, we rarely have any homeowners in attendance again.
If it is just your Board members that you are trying to accommodate, why not have virtual meeting one month, and in person meeting the following month. Alternate for awhile and see what really works best for everyone. For us, we do miss meeting in person a little, but the reality is that the convenience factor of being able to join the meeting from home, or anywhere, fits in to many people busy everyday lives much better. One of Board members would have had to resign because she has a full time job, has two sons in Little League Ball and she would not have been able to attend in person meetings any longer. Since we continue with virtual meetings she is able to drive her kids to games or practices and join the meeting from her car once they are settled with their teams. She is a valuable Board member and we are glad we do not have to replace her just because she puts her family first and can't come sit around in a board room at a table for 2-3 hours..
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Can't disagree with what others have said here. This is timely in part because I recently read a column by one of the former assistant pastors at my church (he has his own church now) and he was talking about how statistics say many churches have lost 30-50% of their attendance for the some of the reasons Bill and LetA mentioned.

I like live meetings also, but we are in a new era, whether you like it or not. Our former pastor noted churches should continue to have a live and virtual option for attendance, and I think you'll have to do the same. At the very least, make the annual meeting live - depending on what's happening with COVID, the weather or other stuff in your area, I think people would be more willing to attend that. It shouldn't be a long meeting anyway - you have a board election, recap the last year, toss in a resident forum and discuss projects for the upcoming year, and then everyone goes home.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Thanks all. I won't worry about this.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/10/2022 10:06 AM
I know I posted on this a few months ago, but I'll post again.

How can I motivate our Board to meet in person again? Virtual meetings due to COVID is clearly behind us at this point. No one can claim that they can't meet in person due to COVID concerns as people are gathering, not wearing masks, and in general life has returned to normal. But people are lazy and don't want to walk to my house or drive to the library for a meeting.

What can I do to encourage us to start meeting in person again? It's impportant to me that we can discuss these things in person again.

Any ideas as to how I can motviate people to meet in person once again?

Strongly disagree.

You have no idea of what sorts of health issues or co-morbidities the board members or their families are dealing with, and it's none of your business. They do not need to justify their decisions to keep their distance.

The pandemic is not done. We're still recording around 2000 deaths per week from covid. People don't get a do-over if they find out they've made the wrong choice. The virus doesn't care if we're being inconvenienced.

(Disclosure: a couple months ago my community had a vacancy on the board. I told them I was willing to serve but only if meetings remained virtual, take it or leave it.)

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 07/10/2022 1:30 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/10/2022 10:06 AM
I know I posted on this a few months ago, but I'll post again.

How can I motivate our Board to meet in person again? Virtual meetings due to COVID is clearly behind us at this point. No one can claim that they can't meet in person due to COVID concerns as people are gathering, not wearing masks, and in general life has returned to normal. But people are lazy and don't want to walk to my house or drive to the library for a meeting.

What can I do to encourage us to start meeting in person again? It's impportant to me that we can discuss these things in person again.

Any ideas as to how I can motviate people to meet in person once again?


Strongly disagree.

You have no idea of what sorts of health issues or co-morbidities the board members or their families are dealing with, and it's none of your business. They do not need to justify their decisions to keep their distance.

The pandemic is not done. We're still recording around 2000 deaths per week from covid. People don't get a do-over if they find out they've made the wrong choice. The virus doesn't care if we're being inconvenienced.

(Disclosure: a couple months ago my community had a vacancy on the board. I told them I was willing to serve but only if meetings remained virtual, take it or leave it.)

Hear, hear! Bravo!

There’s quite a bit of observer bias in Michael’s comments: he may be seeing people getting together and going maskless. But he’s *not* seeing the people who are still taking precautions. Myself, for example: despite vaccinations and boosters, I’m at high-risk for a negative experience with COVID. Risk management is a part of life; I go out, but I still wear a mask when I’m around other people. F2F meetings for the sake of the HOA? For … what? Just because some people prefer F2F meetings? I’ve yet to hear of any credible, tangible benefit to F2F meetings.

One of my kids is working on their PhD in microbiology; between them, CIDRAP, TWIV, and etc, I’m extremely - even uncomfortably - current on the status of COVID out in the world. And it ain’t over. I wish it was. But it’s not.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
Our Property Management company has put in their contracts that all Board meetings will be by zoom. This saves a lot of drive time for the reps and for us it has proved to be beneficial to the owners who now want to attend can do so through zoom. We now have more owners listening to the meetings.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By BillD16 on 07/10/2022 2:07 PM
... snip ...

One of my kids is working on their PhD in microbiology; between them, CIDRAP, TWIV, and etc, I’m extremely - even uncomfortably - current on the status of COVID out in the world. And it ain’t over. I wish it was. But it’s not.

BillD

Another TWIV fan!!! They're my go-to source for information - I've even taken Vincent's live virology class. Viruses are incredibly interesting little things, but they sure can cause problems.

(TWIV = "This Week in Virology", a regular feature on Microbe.TV, with interesting discussions among smart, congenial people. They have a weekly clinical update with Dr. Daniel Griffin who is an infectious disease specialist in NY and who has been treating covid patients from the get-go. You get to hear real info from someone who is in the middle of things.)
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Zoom for me is not a secure platform I want to get on. It's filled with security issues online.

I have had Covid. Took me 6 months to get over. It came with blood clots, weight gain, and a bunch of weird issues doctors can't explain. I still wear a mask in public places. Been vaccinated 4 times as well. They are returning people back to work that I have to interact with. Makes me very nervous. I am going to be the biggest germophobe on the planet the next few weeks.

Masks work...

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
A sign of the times: one of the provisions in Ohio's newest law governing community associations states that virtual meetings are acceptable for both board and membership meetings.

The middle of the country tends to lag behind the states on the perimeter as far as current thinking goes, and even we see the value of conducting business online. Hybrid meetings seem to offer the best of both worlds, so it would be worth looking into.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Isn't it only the female director who won't attend in person for "safety" reasons? I think that's what you wrote previously, MichaelT. And now she's resigned as secretary?

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 07/11/2022 9:43 AM
Isn't it only the female director who won't attend in person for "safety" reasons? I think that's what you wrote previously, MichaelT. And now she's resigned as secretary?


Yup.

But this same person has mentioned that they were down at the bar with friends discussing HOA stuff. Apparently whatever bar they go to must be COVID-free.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
This is another topic where you refuse to hear any side of the argument except for the one you're on and the way that you want.

Regardless of your personal preference or style, it's likely that you will never be able to mandate ONLY in-person meetings; therefore, you need to find a way to simultaneously allow both in-person and virtual attendance.

Since you're Pres and CEO, and you decide when and where meetings occur and what topics will be on agenda, why don't you take initiative to set the next meeting to occur both at your house (for whoever wants to attend in-person) and virtually. See what happens and who shows up. This should also give you an idea as to the preferences of the rest of your Board.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
MichaelT, you're only assuming that this director refuses to attend in person due to Covid. You & she, I guess, use the word "safety." That word could have other meanings.

It's become very clear that you dislike this woman and want her off the Board. It's beginning to seem like an obsession.

BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 07/11/2022 9:43 AM
Isn't it only the female director who won't attend in person for "safety" reasons? I think that's what you wrote previously, MichaelT. And now she's resigned as secretary?

Ya know, it’s funny - okay, not really ā€˜funny’, and also I’m not insinuating that anyone on this forum would do such l thing - but I admit I’ve wondered, in the midst of all of the controversy over WFH and electronic meetings, if there are people who miss working at the office and in-person meetings because they don’t provide the same opportunities for physical intimidation, bullying, or menace that were so easily accommodated in years past. I mean, this is a stupid example, but I swear I’ve worked with people who used bad breath as a weapon. And there all kinds of other means of physical intimidation that range from subtle to overt.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€

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