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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
We have a homeowner who is consistently paying late, but only pays the amount of the assessment and not late fees and interest. Right now they owe about $500. This amount will slowly increase as the late fees and interest keep piling up.

Our property manager says there is little we can do. She said the attorneys won't take the account since they can't foreclose on soft money like interest and late fees.

What options do we have? I don't wish to lose the late fees and interest. I don't wish to reward the homeowner for their avoidance of having paid on time. I do want the homeowner to pay on time.

I'm not sure of what avenues we have to collect the late fees and interest?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
put a lien on the home and wait.
Make sure that the lien is renewed as needed.

Additionally, adopt a policy that payments are first applied to late charges and then assessments.
This way, the money wouldn't be "soft" money but assessments that were not paid.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/03/2022 9:35 AM
put a lien on the home and wait.
Make sure that the lien is renewed as needed.

Additionally, adopt a policy that payments are first applied to late charges and then assessments.
This way, the money wouldn't be "soft" money but assessments that were not paid.

Sound advice.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/03/2022 9:35 AM
Additionally, adopt a policy that payments are first applied to late charges and then assessments.

There are states that have a payment priority, that payments are first applied to assessments. That would also be my policy.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/03/2022 9:26 AM
We have a homeowner who is consistently paying late, but only pays the amount of the assessment and not late fees and interest. Right now they owe about $500. This amount will slowly increase as the late fees and interest keep piling up.

Our property manager says there is little we can do. She said the attorneys won't take the account since they can't foreclose on soft money like interest and late fees.

What options do we have? I don't wish to lose the late fees and interest. I don't wish to reward the homeowner for their avoidance of having paid on time. I do want the homeowner to pay on time.

I'm not sure of what avenues we have to collect the late fees and interest?

How late are their payments, past 30 days, or just after the 15th?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Let's see, gas is $7.00 a gallon, food prices are doubling, lumber is 3X what it used to be, ream of paper is up 200%. I would thankful they are current within the 30 days. You sound like a unsympathetic vengeful person.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
Our owner's get past dues emails for anything on their account after the 1st of the month. Then middle of the month statements. Those are generated automatically by our MC. We have monthly dues.

We have been successful in coming down swiftly on any account that hits our over 90 day column and is equal to more than their monthly assessment. 15 day demand letter, followed by being forwarded to our attorney for collection and shortly thereafter, lien filing. Fortunately we have kept the number of those accounts to under 4 out of 144 units. If that number wasn't as low as it is, we would have to pull it in to collect swifter.

We can foreclose on assessments and will begin that process at about the 180 day mark. Our owner's pay the attorney collection fees. The HOA doesn't pay anything to begin the collection process.

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
The homeowner usually pays 1 to 3 months late. Often they skip payments and then make double payments the next time assessments are due.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
As long as they are paying their assessments, withdraw the late fees and let them catch up. If they were months in arrears and doing things that are gaming the system I would say
lein them all day long.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/03/2022 1:59 PM
The homeowner usually pays 1 to 3 months late. Often they skip payments and then make double payments the next time assessments are due.

I wish someone like that was our late payer.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Here's the rub. We have numerous homeowners who pay late. Do we waive late fees to all homewoners? Or just this one? We don't want to treat all of our homeowners in the same light.

Regarding us being well funded, the only reason we are well funded is thanks to homeowners who pay dues on time. Without that, we wouldn't be well funded at all.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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I'm sorry, I made a typo. We do want to treat all of our homeowners the same. Waiving late fees for this one problematic homeowner yet charging late fees to other non-problematic homeowners doesn't sound like fair treatment.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Yeah, no. Competent boards enact budgets that match projected spending for the year. If somebody doesn't pay, then the rest of the community has to make up the difference or some planned spending doesn't get done (deferred maintenance, y'all!). Vendors don't care if homeowners are paying late, and there is no Magic HOA Money Printing Machine.

FWIW, my governing docs list the priority in which payments are applied, with principle coming last (interest, administrative late fees, enforcement assessments, and collection and other associated legal costs come first, in that order). The new state law that will take effect in September makes this same payment priority the required one for all planned communities unless the CC&Rs say otherwise. So late payers have no choice about where their payments go - if they choose to fight this legally, they will lose and pay for the privilege.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By CathyA3 on 07/04/2022 4:21 AM
Yeah, no. Competent boards enact budgets that match projected spending for the year. If somebody doesn't pay, then the rest of the community has to make up the difference or some planned spending doesn't get done (deferred maintenance, y'all!). Vendors don't care if homeowners are paying late, and there is no Magic HOA Money Printing Machine.

FWIW, my governing docs list the priority in which payments are applied, with principle coming last (interest, administrative late fees, enforcement assessments, and collection and other associated legal costs come first, in that order). The new state law that will take effect in September makes this same payment priority the required one for all planned communities unless the CC&Rs say otherwise. So late payers have no choice about where their payments go - if they choose to fight this legally, they will lose and pay for the privilege.


So much this. I can’t believe the attitude of just letting late payments slide. That doesn’t fly anywhere else, and it hurts the rest of the homeowners.

Apply payments to late fees first, and file a lien. This doesn’t need to be something you spend time agonizing over.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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A solid budget does not have income from fines, late penalties, etc. If needing so for a balanced budget, you are in trouble.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
It flies at other companies based on past performance on the account.

If you're late once, perhaps twice, not an issue. Most will waive monetary penalties.

If you are always late, then good luck with having the penalties waived.

When I was treasurer, knowing everyone forgets once in a while, I had board approval to waive penalties and always offered it on the first missed payment if paid in full the following month. Those who did not pay in full had the late charges assessed.

MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/03/2022 5:17 PM
Here's the rub. We have numerous homeowners who pay late. Do we waive late fees to all homewoners? Or just this one? We don't want to treat all of our homeowners in the same light.

Regarding us being well funded, the only reason we are well funded is thanks to homeowners who pay dues on time. Without that, we wouldn't be well funded at all.

Who collects the late fees, management company or HOA? In my case and every management I know here, the MC collects the late fees.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
The management company collects the late fee on behalf of the HOA and deposits the money into the HOA operating account.

We waive late fees and interest upon request, one time per homeowner, automatically. Future requests are run by the Board. The issue with this homeowner is they have not requested a waiver, they simply keep writing (late) checks for the amount of the dues. Thus the late fees and interest keep piling up.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By MaxB4 on 07/04/2022 12:08 PM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 07/03/2022 5:17 PM
Here's the rub. We have numerous homeowners who pay late. Do we waive late fees to all homewoners? Or just this one? We don't want to treat all of our homeowners in the same light.

Regarding us being well funded, the only reason we are well funded is thanks to homeowners who pay dues on time. Without that, we wouldn't be well funded at all.


Who collects the late fees, management company or HOA? In my case and every management I know here, the MC collects the late fees.

Do you mean collects them or keeps them? Whose coffers does the money end up in?

In my community and states, late fees are considered assessments (and so are fines). They're processed by the PM along with all other payments, and the money ends up in the association's coffers.

Our delinquency numbers are generally low, and the homeowners seem to fall into one of two categories. There are those who have something unusual happen, often out of their control (for example, one person was a victim of identity theft and the bank account that she used to auto-pay assessments was closed without much warning). The others are the chronic late payers or non-payers.

We always work with the first group, get them onto payment plans if needed, and waive late fees if this was a one-time event or if they keep up with the payment plan.

For the second group, no amount of "working with" the homeowner has any effect, and payment plans are worthless (except as documentation that the association is giving the homeowner every opportunity to pay what they owe). We don't waive late fees for this group - once the account goes to collection or foreclosure, there will be negotiating, and that's when we eat the late fees.

MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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We keep them as part of collection efforts.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By ThadC2 on 07/04/2022 11:10 AM
Posted By DavidG45 on 07/04/2022 6:44 AM
Posted By CathyA3 on 07/04/2022 4:21 AM
Yeah, no. Competent boards enact budgets that match projected spending for the year. If somebody doesn't pay, then the rest of the community has to make up the difference or some planned spending doesn't get done (deferred maintenance, y'all!). Vendors don't care if homeowners are paying late, and there is no Magic HOA Money Printing Machine.

FWIW, my governing docs list the priority in which payments are applied, with principle coming last (interest, administrative late fees, enforcement assessments, and collection and other associated legal costs come first, in that order). The new state law that will take effect in September makes this same payment priority the required one for all planned communities unless the CC&Rs say otherwise. So late payers have no choice about where their payments go - if they choose to fight this legally, they will lose and pay for the privilege.


So much this. I can’t believe the attitude of just letting late payments slide. That doesn’t fly anywhere else, and it hurts the rest of the homeowners.

Apply payments to late fees first, and file a lien. This doesn’t need to be something you spend time agonizing over.


it flies at major banks, credit card companies, and other businesses. I call all the time and ask for a waiver and get it most of the time. but go ahead and be a dork about it, and treat your neighbors like the hoa's personal piggy bank. Our AOI state the HOA does not exsist to gain monetarily from it's members. so it's you penny pinching accountants that are actually breaking the spirit of the HOA laws.

I’m sorry, but that is completely illogical. Expecting people to pay their bills on time has nothing to do with greed or “treating it like a piggy bank” — whatever that is even supposed to mean. The OP has a homeowner who is habitually delinquent at the expense of the other homeowners. The spirit of the HOA is that everyone pays equally, and is treated equally. The habitually late homeowner is showing total disregard and disrespect toward their neighbors, and deserves no sympathy.

Now, if a homeowner has hit a rough patch financially and quietly approaches the board to try to work something out we would be talking about a completed different situation. But this appears to be simply a disrespectful POS who thinks rules don’t apply to them. The board is doing the HOA a disservice to just roll over.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
You obviously have someone that is struggling to stay afloat and you keep burdening them with cinder blocks. It is quite obvious that these people are in fact struggling not someone that is
ignoring their obligation to pay their assessments. Since you don'y have to file a lien or send them to collections like some deadbeats do. These people are not deadbeats, waive the late fees and
interest and help them stay afloat.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
No, we don't know if the homeowner is struggling financially or just being a douchebag. They have not communicated to us in 2.5. They simply pay assessments at random and often 3 months late.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
For everyone that says to forget and move on for the habitually late paying homeowner, I off the following:

Lets say you own a service business (landscaping, barber, etc.). I enter into a contract with you that I will pay monthly for services you provide. You provide those services on a weekly basis and send me an invoice at the end of the month. From your perspective, I ignore the invoice. You continue to provide the service, incurring expenses to provide that service.

At the end of the second month, you send me another invoice with late charges on the first months payment, as this is what the contract allows. Again from your perspective, I ignore it. You continue to provide the service and still incur expenses, which have risen in cost (as the economics of today have shown).

At the end of the third month, you send me another invoice with additional late charges for the first two missed payments.
From your perspective, I ignore it as I simply do not respond to any of your communications.

Now honestly ask yourself:

Would you continue to provide the services?
Keep in mind that this is typically not an option for an HOA/COA

In the third week of the fourth month of providing services, you finally get a check from me for the last three months of invoices. The check does not include the late charges you imposed per the contract. No note explaining the issue, just a check.

Do you waive the charges?

This happens again and again over the life of the contract (which is several years in length).

Do you waive charges the contract allows for late payments?
Do you try to terminate the contract for non-payment (for the HOA, this would be a foreclosure process)?

At what point do you say enough is enough?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Also can think of this person as a cash cow. If they are late, late fees and interest is added each time. That is additional profit... It is not once you have to release the hounds to collect.

Former HOA President
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By ThadC2 on 07/04/2022 4:07 PM
what's illogical is saying other business dont' wave late fees and then when I offer proof that other business do in fact waive or reduce late fees, you switch to a different line of arguing.


You did not offer proof, you merely claimed that you make a regular habit of paying bills late at a number of institutions and are often able to get your fees waived. As my son would say, "Weird flex, but okay..."

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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My ex used to take the same approach to bill paying. Drove me crazy. Waited until the pink form arrived to pay his electric. I knew the different form colors and what they meant because of him.

Notice I said EX. He was an Engineer too. Should have known better. He was a @$$.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By DavidG45 on 07/05/2022 9:04 AM
Posted By ThadC2 on 07/04/2022 4:07 PM
what's illogical is saying other business dont' wave late fees and then when I offer proof that other business do in fact waive or reduce late fees, you switch to a different line of arguing.


You did not offer proof, you merely claimed that you make a regular habit of paying bills late at a number of institutions and are often able to get your fees waived. As my son would say, "Weird flex, but okay..."


David,

In response to Thads post, I agreed that companies will often waive the occasional late charge but pointed out that it is based on past payment history.

Thad chose to ignore this fact and, instead, chose to argue with you.

It's simply not worth feeding a troll.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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It makes no sense to view late fees and interest as "income". It ignores the fact that, historically, associations often end up eating at least some of the unpaid assessments - or in other words, the other homeowners are on the hook for making up the shortfall or necessary work doesn't happen. It's why God created bad debt write-offs. And there are costs related to collection efforts - it's not free money. An association is much better off if all homeowners pay their assessments in full and on time.

As far as ignoring the late payers goes, Ohio law states that an association automatically has a lien on any home whose owner is behind in assessments (i think it's ten days behind, but don't quote me). And my bylaws require the board to foreclose if owners aren't paying - it isn't optional, although the board has some discretion in deciding when the foreclosure actually makes financial sense.

I've never come across a single candidate for the board who campaigned on the issue of *not* collected delinquent assessments - or a single homeowner who says "Yes! I totally want to pay my deadbeat neighbor's bills! Sign me up!".

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/05/2022 8:45 AM
Also can think of this person as a cash cow. If they are late, late fees and interest is added each time. That is additional profit... It is not once you have to release the hounds to collect.

It's only profit if you can collect and the proceeds exceed collection costs. That is not guaranteed, often doesn't happen, and until it does happen any "profit" is just bookkeeping.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/05/2022 10:02 AM
Posted By DavidG45 on 07/05/2022 9:04 AM
Posted By ThadC2 on 07/04/2022 4:07 PM
what's illogical is saying other business dont' wave late fees and then when I offer proof that other business do in fact waive or reduce late fees, you switch to a different line of arguing.


You did not offer proof, you merely claimed that you make a regular habit of paying bills late at a number of institutions and are often able to get your fees waived. As my son would say, "Weird flex, but okay..."



David,

In response to Thads post, I agreed that companies will often waive the occasional late charge but pointed out that it is based on past payment history.

Thad chose to ignore this fact and, instead, chose to argue with you.

It's simply not worth feeding a troll.


Well said.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 6
Posted:
To be clear, we have to treat all of our homeowners the same. Thus if we waive months of late fees and interest from homeowner A, we have to do so for all other homeowners as well.

I don't see any path of arbitrarily waiving late fees for this particular homeowner who never pays on time. It won't encourage her to pay on time in the future, and then we would be expected to waive future late fees as well. It would not be fair to all homeowners to have one homeowner allowed to pay late and not others.

I'll work with our PM to figure out some better options.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By HenryS7 on 07/06/2022 8:16 AM
To be clear, we have to treat all of our homeowners the same. Thus if we waive months of late fees and interest from homeowner A, we have to do so for all other homeowners as well.

I don't see any path of arbitrarily waiving late fees for this particular homeowner who never pays on time. It won't encourage her to pay on time in the future, and then we would be expected to waive future late fees as well. It would not be fair to all homeowners to have one homeowner allowed to pay late and not others.

I'll work with our PM to figure out some better options.

I say a BOD can eliminate/reduce any fees but not one's dues. Not that they should, but they can.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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The board has the authority to waive fees but not assessments.

As far as treating all homeowners equally, I think you have to consider the difference between "equally" and "fairly."

It makes no sense to be hard-nosed about late fees when you're dealing with a homeowner who has a history of paying on time or who is dealing with an unusual issue (particularly one they have no control over, such as identity theft).

It also makes no sense to waive late fees for the chronic late payers or those who have pretty much stopped paying altogether. The association is incurring expenses while dealing with delinquent accounts, and the realities of foreclosure mean that the association will be lucky to see much if anything unless they're in a state that prioritizes the association lien over the lender's lien. Why reduce the amount that the association is lawfully entitled to if they don't have to? You can make a good argument that the board has a fiduciary duty to impose the late fees.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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HenryS7 from Pennsylvania = MichaelT21 from Washington ??

General Warning to All:
Advice offered is often based on the applicable State statutes.
Those who choose to not identify their State properly may be getting bad advice.

Michael/Henry,

I've mentioned it before. Our Association would waive monetary penalties the first time (many took the option to pay monthly) as everyone can be forgetful. The letter is typically along the lines:

The board will waive the late charges providing the account is paid in full by mm/dd/yyyy.

I also offered that your board adopts a policy that specifies how assessment payments will be credited.
We did and had our attorneys blessing.
Ours was first to legal fees, second to late charges and third to assessments.

By doing this, what was not paid being was the actual assessment, which you can more easily bring legal action for.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By TimB4 on 07/06/2022 9:27 AM
HenryS7 from Pennsylvania = MichaelT21 from Washington ??

General Warning to All:
Advice offered is often based on the applicable State statutes.
Those who choose to not identify their State properly may be getting bad advice.

Michael/Henry,

I've mentioned it before. Our Association would waive monetary penalties the first time (many took the option to pay monthly) as everyone can be forgetful. The letter is typically along the lines:

The board will waive the late charges providing the account is paid in full by mm/dd/yyyy.

I also offered that your board adopts a policy that specifies how assessment payments will be credited.
We did and had our attorneys blessing.
Ours was first to legal fees, second to late charges and third to assessments.

By doing this, what was not paid being was the actual assessment, which you can more easily bring legal action for.


Good advice, especially abut crediting payments.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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Mike, I think you posted about this same issue previously (perhaps several months ago or maybe a year or so) as Henry or one of your other alter egos. Much of the advice is the same as it was previously I think. Regardless, my thoughts and questions for ya . . .

I think I read all your posts in this thread . . . at no time did you indicate that the homeowner was informed they are paying late and incurring fees nor have you indicated any attempt to reach out to the homeowner to ask about or help rectify the situation.

Could likely a case of misunderstanding and/or ignorance on the homeowner's part. And while perhaps they should be fully aware of the situation and of what they are doing . . . perhaps they are not and they think everything is good, and therefore they don't know they should reach out to the Board or MC. You do know that you have a reason to reach out to them . . . but have you?

A brief conversation might help to quickly enlighten both sides, bring a bit of humanity/empathy to the situation, and more rapidly arrive at some sort of closure. But much depends on the angle you want to take on this and what the ultimate goal(s) might be.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
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You can waive the fee, which, if it's $500, doesn't sound like a small amount. You could continue to let it build until there is enough to take the person to court. I'm wondering if hiring a collections agency is an option?

Yes the HOA shouldn't profit off of late fees, but it's also unfair to let one person off and enforce the rules for another. I wouldn't let this one go considering how many times the person has paid late.
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/06/2022 1:45 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 07/06/2022 9:27 AM
I also offered that your board adopts a policy that specifies how assessment payments will be credited.
We did and had our attorneys blessing.
Ours was first to legal fees, second to late charges and third to assessments.

By doing this, what was not paid being was the actual assessment, which you can more easily bring legal action for.



Good advice, especially abut crediting payments.

I agree that this order of payments helps put pressure on the owner, but overall I think it can become heavy handed and so is not the "right" way to do it.

Some state laws require payment to be applied to regular assessments first before late charges (and other fees). These laws appear to have been created in order to avoid the usual practice of accruing additional interest and late charges as the monthly fees remain unsatisfied while the attorneys’ fees and interest are paid first.

Applying payments first to the extra charges allows for the possibility of abuse, particularly when a board turns over collection to management companies and lawyers who get to keep all the extra fees. Management companies can easily tack on more late charges, which they keep. Lawyers get to use the threat of foreclosure when regular assessments are not paid due to the payments being applied to the fees that the lawyers are getting.

I think that applying payments first to regular assessments reflects the best way to do it, all things considered.

Michael, do your documents describe an order of payments?
MaxB4
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Posted By JeffT2 on 07/08/2022 12:50 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 07/06/2022 1:45 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 07/06/2022 9:27 AM
I also offered that your board adopts a policy that specifies how assessment payments will be credited.
We did and had our attorneys blessing.
Ours was first to legal fees, second to late charges and third to assessments.

By doing this, what was not paid being was the actual assessment, which you can more easily bring legal action for.



Good advice, especially abut crediting payments.


I agree that this order of payments helps put pressure on the owner, but overall I think it can become heavy handed and so is not the "right" way to do it.

Some state laws require payment to be applied to regular assessments first before late charges (and other fees). These laws appear to have been created in order to avoid the usual practice of accruing additional interest and late charges as the monthly fees remain unsatisfied while the attorneys’ fees and interest are paid first.

Applying payments first to the extra charges allows for the possibility of abuse, particularly when a board turns over collection to management companies and lawyers who get to keep all the extra fees. Management companies can easily tack on more late charges, which they keep. Lawyers get to use the threat of foreclosure when regular assessments are not paid due to the payments being applied to the fees that the lawyers are getting.

I think that applying payments first to regular assessments reflects the best way to do it, all things considered.

Michael, do your documents describe an order of payments?

I agree 110%
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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Posted By ND on 07/06/2022 8:55 PM
Mike, I think you posted about this same issue previously (perhaps several months ago or maybe a year or so) as Henry or one of your other alter egos. Much of the advice is the same as it was previously I think. Regardless, my thoughts and questions for ya . . .

I think I read all your posts in this thread . . . at no time did you indicate that the homeowner was informed they are paying late and incurring fees nor have you indicated any attempt to reach out to the homeowner to ask about or help rectify the situation.

Could likely a case of misunderstanding and/or ignorance on the homeowner's part. And while perhaps they should be fully aware of the situation and of what they are doing . . . perhaps they are not and they think everything is good, and therefore they don't know they should reach out to the Board or MC. You do know that you have a reason to reach out to them . . . but have you?

A brief conversation might help to quickly enlighten both sides, bring a bit of humanity/empathy to the situation, and more rapidly arrive at some sort of closure. But much depends on the angle you want to take on this and what the ultimate goal(s) might be.

We send mail out monthly statements to delinquent homeowners showing how much they owe. This owner has received at least 3 "pay or else" letters, and I have asked the property manager to reach out personally. All of the correspondence gets ignored.

Not much else we can do.

I think we will let the late fees build. Eventually, dues will not get paid and then off to collections it goes.

Thanks all.
MaggieC1 (Florida)
Posts: 10
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Unsure how large your HOA is, but if you give your 'delinquent' file to a third party vendor
they will think THEY are the bad guy, not you.

I promise it works, and the fee is usually 8%, well worth it.

In the meantime, your HOA probably has a lawyer and can do a letter on your behalf.

If you have every date their inconsistency in paying the fees, then there's no questions.

Last resort is to put a lien on their home... and really do it.

Good Luck!

Some people should just live on a 100 acre farm with Pooh

DerekW2 (Washington)
Posts: 5
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first, if a person doesn't want to live in an HOA, don't purchase a home with one.

second, most don't read their CC&R'S and then get upset with the board/PMC enforcing the rules.

third; everyone is -see-lawyer without doing homework.

fourth: educate yourself as a board and your members.

fifth: talk to the attorney and see if the "soft money" (late fees and interest) can stay on and those add compound interest of 12% (this is usually in the CC&R'S) section 4 (assessment) part.

we deal with a few members that have gone a few years of being late, we have a bookkeeper send out letters, and they ignore them. some have had liens put on their homes until they want to sell and then they get mad when it comes out of the proceeds at sale time.

others we have sent to collections and take a hit from the agency fees, but it's better than using the attorney until needed. at one time our accounts had 10 members of 70 that were in total of 30k behind, didn't pay for years. I took over talked to the attorney, went the route of collections, had the bookkeeper send a letter stating they are in collections and in the court proceedings from the attorney, days later they paid up.

now, we have just about 3 or 4 that wait the whole year to pay, which the board is ok with, we review with the bookkeeper and send a letter at the end of the fiscal year stating to bring account current or collections proceedings will begin.
DeanJ
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Add establish a Board policy for the late fee amount that will trigger liens and an amount that will trigger foreclosure action.
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Posted By MaxB4 on 07/03/2022 10:16 AM
Let's see, gas is $7.00 a gallon, food prices are doubling, lumber is 3X what it used to be, ream of paper is up 200%. I would thankful they are current within the 30 days. You sound like a unsympathetic vengeful person.

Rules are rules and have to be enforced equally. If they can’t afford to live in your HOA, sorry about their luck, but it’s time you moved to where they can afford to live.

Bottom line, everyone is expected to pay on time and pay late fees or no one is.

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