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JackS15 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 84
Posted:
We need to do one but unsure how much as we are still getting quotes.
As our HVAC company wants to get utility company etc out her so it may take awhile.

Can we do one now and then add to it later?
I know this answer is yes but we don't want to have a bunch of them in a row against us as I have heard the bank frowns on having too many.

Can we just amend the prior one?

How is it recorded?

Thanks
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. So if you need money to pay bills, then choices are to raise dues or have a special assessment. Which it is detailed on how to do both in your documents. A special assessment typically required a majority vote of ALL the membership. The amount is divided evenly amongst ALL the owners to pay on what the final bill is. Although some HOA's may want to "pad" that amount to cover other projects. It is best to say out front it is for this project or projects... I am not a big fan of those HOA's who say "Special assessment" for a pool cover then you find new pool furniture too... Best to have said "Cover and furniture".

Loans are an option, but they also may require a raise in dues or special assessment to make the payments.

Former HOA President
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
Unfortunate, that it has to come to this. I would not recommend that you determine what the Special Assessment is going to be, until you know exactly what the money will be used for and for how much. Follow your governing documents carefully as you proceed through this process.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you asking if you can amend a special assessment, Jack?
JackS15 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Yes we know we need one but it may take 6-8 weeks to figure out how much.
So my thoughts were do a small one now so people can start paying for it. I have been trying to raise dues but I kept getting out voted now the shit hit the fan and we need a new hearing and air conditioning system.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Well, you've done your due diligence as a board member in pointing out the problem and researching the cost. Sometimes that's all you can do - it amazes me how people are so quick to vote against their best interests or continue to think they can have champagne tastes on a Kool-Aid budget (the cheap stuff at that).

I suspect these folks hope they'll be long gone from the community by the time the caca hits the fan. You can't always protect people from themselves and the next time they're hit with a major heatwave (like many of us went through a week or so ago) or a nasty cold snap, they'll remember what you said and perhaps pay attention.

Unfortunately, it may mean a special assesment, a loan AND a major increase in , by that time. Remind your neighbors of Surfside and how part of that disaster was due to homeowners who refused to spend the money when it could have made a difference.

Keep speaking truth to power in the meantime. Read your documents to see what they say about special assessments (that should have been your first task) and then read a few older conversations on this website about special assessments. Since they're old, don't respond to them, but take notes and ask your questions in a new conversation, if necessary. Good luck.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Personally I would wait until you know how much you actually need and do one special assessment for the required amount.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would start the bowl rolling now toward all the prep work for approving a special assessment. The thing is that it states to get approval for special assessment. It does not state the amount just approving one can be done. It would be nice to know exact numbers but maybe a round about number will help. Say something like we need to pass a special assessment so when the final bill comes due, we can then divide up the costs evenly. Getting approved for the special assessment in itself is the biggest hurdle. Collections will be the other...

BTW: Why do you not have a reserve fund set up for such items? If your HOA knows it is responsible for such large items, it should have had set up a reserve fund to contribute part of the dues toward for years...

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jack

How can you not wait so you know how much you need?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So, agreeing with Melissa, are there zero reserve funds to repair/replace your HVAC system? Does it serve you entire community, so you're a condo building, or?

My HOA was in this situation years ago while in a construction defect legal action. Our rooftop HVAC system was on its last legs. So we got a loan for the replacement cost, which included renting a crane to put the new system on a 25 story roof? Our HOA assessments were collateral and we got a settlement several months later to repay the loan.

So, maybe you can try for a loan while you find a firm price to get the work done. Are you saying you have no idea whatsoever what a new system will cost or repair of the existing one? Since it's HVAC, can't you do a special assessment because it's an emergency (if your docs & state law permit?)
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Melissa

A Special Assessment is charged equally to all owners if the assessments are distributed equally as described in the Bylaws or Declaration, i.e., most HOAs.

Most condominium documents allocate responsibility on the basis of the air conditioned square footage as a percentage of the total air conditioned square footage; the regular assessments, and a special assessment, would be apportioned to owners using the percentage represented by their unit.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Maybe most condos do this, and ours does have a sq. ft. variable for water, gas, and bldg. insurance. But there's no s.f variable for reserve items. And Owners pay for their own electricity to run them. We don't know the O.P's situation.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Maybe most condos do this, and ours does have a sq. ft. variable for water, gas, and bldg. insurance. But there's no s.f variable for reserve items. And Owners pay for their own electricity to run them. We don't know the O.P's situation.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Kerry, there may be other considerations in a high rise which result in the reserve contribution being the same for all owners.

In the properties we manage, the annual budget process determines the reserve contribution amount for the year as well as the operating expenses. Once the bottom line operating and reserve contribution amount for the year is determined, the unit percentage is applied to determine the assessment amount for each unit for the operating year. Hence, the reserve contribution for a unit is the unit percentage of the whole.
JackS15 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Our condo fee also works by a combination of sale price square footage etc.

So someone in a three bedroom unit would a lot more than someone in a one bedroom unit.

We need get a quote at over 150k but we are waiting for more quotes and we were told there might be some kind of rebate that would pay for most of it. I have my doubts.

We live in one of those lottery units where you put your name in and get the opportunity to purchase the unit at a discount rate but can't sell it at full price for many years later.

Problems with this is most people on fixed income so no one wants to raise fees.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Interesting, BillH. Oh, I believed you previously. Just wanted to point out that other high rises do it differently. I'm not saying our method is good or even makes sense, but we didn't change it when we recently restated our CC&Rs.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Kerry

The allocation method does lead to some inequities.

One client of six units has a larger unit, four of the same size, and a smaller unit. The owners of the larger unit pay more each month for allocated domestic water consumption and associated sewer charges than do the other five units. They are not happy with this scenario as a couple owns and resides in the unit. Two other couples own two of the same size units but pay less for water expenses under the percentage allocation method.

The owners of the larger unit believe the water expense should be allocated by headcount or split six ways. I explained the headcount method is not practical as how would it account for guests, vacations, business trips, etc. Splitting the expense equally is simple to do if the Declaration is modified to remove water expense from the percentage method. It would also make matters easier for us as the allocation method requires a supplemental invoice each quarter for water use for each unit.
JackS15 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BillH10 on 06/26/2022 6:01 AM
Kerry

The allocation method does lead to some inequities.

One client of six units has a larger unit, four of the same size, and a smaller unit. The owners of the larger unit pay more each month for allocated domestic water consumption and associated sewer charges than do the other five units. They are not happy with this scenario as a couple owns and resides in the unit. Two other couples own two of the same size units but pay less for water expenses under the percentage allocation method.

The owners of the larger unit believe the water expense should be allocated by headcount or split six ways. I explained the headcount method is not practical as how would it account for guests, vacations, business trips, etc. Splitting the expense equally is simple to do if the Declaration is modified to remove water expense from the percentage method. It would also make matters easier for us as the allocation method requires a supplemental invoice each quarter for water use for each unit.

You don't know how many times I have explained this. In order to to change it we would need all of the three to lower their condo fee and alltwo bedroom unit to vote to increase their dues and some of the 1 bedroom unit to vote to increase their dues. No person in their right mind is going to vote to increase his or her dues.

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