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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
I want to get some informed answers on how other HOAs might handle this situation. We are in Florida, land of palm trees and hurricanes. When our community was developed, the developer landscaped much of the area with coconut palms that are now 20 feet or more tall. The issue with coconut palms is that they actually grow coconuts at least once and sometimes twice a year. It is normal practice to removed the coconuts before hurricane season because if we have a hurricane the coconuts can act like cannon balls in the high winds and do damage to the houses.

The HOA pays to remove all the coconuts on our property plus also all the coconuts on the property of the homes where the association is responsible for landscaping and lawn care. We have about 200 homes that do not receive landscaping - they are responsible for their own landscaping and tree trimming.

Because the trees are so tall and it requires a lift truck it can be expensive to get the trees trimmed. In the past we sent out letters asking homeowners to voluntarily trim the trees but we did not send out violation notices because past boards did not think that the association had the right to tell people to trim their trees. Plus it would be a lot of violations - 1/3 to 1/2 of the homes right now need to have their coconuts removed.

Depending on your landscaper, it can cost up to $100 per tree for coconut removal. Our landscaper has offered a great deal to homeowners, $40 per tree if we can get 20 homeowners to agree to make it worth their time. However, so far we are only getting a few people responding to this offer.

I'm posting a paragraph on maintenance from our declaraton below. It appears that the association could go in and have the trees trimmed as long as we give notice and then bill the homeowner. However, I'm not sure if this is something we really want to start doing. We usually do not go on homeowner property for maintenance, we just send violations and fine if necessary. Most of these trees are in front yards so would be easy to reach.

I'm wondering if any of your associations perform work like this if the homeowner refuses. I would appreciate your input.

7.4 Remedies for Noncompliance. In the event of the failure of an Owner to maintain or cause to be maintained, his Home, Lot, or Condominium Property, in accordance with this Article, the Master Association or applicable Condominium Association (whichever at the time has the power or duty to enforce this Article, pursuant to Article 12 hereof) shall have the right (but not the obligation), upon five (5) days’ prior written notice to the Owner at the address last appearing in the records of the Master Association, to enter upon the Owner’s Parcel and perform such work as is necessary to bring the Parcel, as applicable, into compliance with the standards set forth in this Article. Such work may include, but shall not necessarily be limited to, the cutting/trimming of grass, trees and shrubs; the removal (by spraying or otherwise) of weeds and other vegetation; the repairing of Community Systems, if needed, the resodding or replanting of grass, trees or shrubs, the repainting or re-staining of exterior surfaces of a Home; the repair of walls, fences, roofs, doors, windows and other portions of a Home or other structures or Improvements on a Lot; and such other remedial work as is judged necessary by the applicable entity. The remedies provided for herein do not limit the Master Association from pursuing alternative remedies. The remedies provided for herein shall be cumulative with all other remedies available under this Master Declaration or other applicable covenants or deed restrictions (including, without limitation, the imposition of fines or Charges or the filing of legal or equitable actions).
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I'm in condos, so there isn't a whole lot that owners are responsible for. But yes, the association has the right to perform the work and bill the owner, provided that proper notice and a reasonable deadline are given to the owner before the association gets involved.

Something to consider: Some of those trees may have issues or be diseased, and they may die after the HOA trims them. Owners are sure to try to hold the HOA responsible for anything that happens to them, even if the trimming wasn't directly at fault. Do you want to risk having to deal with this? Are there any other potential downsides to having the HOA do the trimming?

One suggestion: if you can get a trimming service interested, see if the membership would be interested in participating in a group buy, and then let people arrange for service directly with the company. It gets the HOA out of the middle, may encourage people to get their trees trimmed if the price is right, and is better than dealing with violations.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Lori,

I asked a similar question to our property manager. Her answer was yes, we can but she doesn't recommend it. Why? It is out of scope of the management contract, so she would have to charge $90/hour for adding the bills to the homeowner account, and then $90/hour to follow up with homeowners who don't pay. Ultimately, she said that any cost savings we realized would be eaten up by the management fees.

Rather than the HOA do it, she recommended that we have a volunteer in the neighorhood collect the money and hire the vendor as a non-HOA activity.

That is what our PM said. You might reach out to yours and see what he/she thinks.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If the trees are the homeowner's responsibility, I would encourage everyone to get in on the landscaper’s offer because it could decrease THEIR liability if these coconuts fly off with or without a hurricane and land on someone’s car or a person. By doing this now, everyone can also save money - $40 beats the hell out of $100. I also like Cathy’s point about the tree being diseased – if THAT were to topple upon the house or the street, the homeowner would have to pay for that too, which would likely cost a helluva lot more than $40.

All of that said, your documents say the association has the right but not the obligation to fix the problem and bill the homeowner, but that may open up another set of problems, which will cost the association a bunch of money in the end. I don’t like the idea of the association taking on the responsibility for something the homeowner’s supposed to do anyway (it could jack up your master insurance coverage), so try running the numbers on that and compare it to $40, then show them to the homeowners. They can then decide if they’d like to pay $40 to settle all this – or risk a major smackdown to their wallet.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
A right or not, entering someone's property can be a dangerous thing to do.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Thad makes a good point, although I disagree about firing the landscaping crew. If they were hired to pick up the coconuts, that’s all they’re required to do. That said, if I were the landscaper, I certainly would have bought it up, especially if there were a chance I could get paid for cutting the flowers AND later picking up coconuts that managed to grow anyway. When the crabapple trees in our community were making a mess when the fruit fell, attracting bees and geese, who’d make a bigger mess when they crapped everywhere, we sprayed the trees at first, but as they got older, we chopped the suckers down – the end.

So, focus on the trees in the common area and leave the others alone if they’re homeowner's responsibility. If the coconuts whack someone in the head, break a car window or the tree falls in the street, the homeowner and his/her insurance company can deal with it.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Thanks for all the thoughts and suggestions. Just to be clear, these coconut palms are on the private property of single-family homes in our HOA. They do not contract with the HOA for landscaping or tree trimming so each homeowner there is responsible for their own landscaping. So we can't "fire" the landscapers who are not trimming these coconut trees. And they are huge - 20 years old and way taller than any pole could reach, which is why a lift truck is needed to trim them.

We are encouraging homeowners to get rid of the coconut trees. Sometimes the ACC does not even make them get a replacement tree. We are also going to gradually replace all the coconuts on the common area because the cost of maintenance of the trees is really high. Yet another way we were screwed by the developer when he landscaped the development.

At this point we have had a fair response to letters asking for homeowners to voluntarily sign up for the $40 per tree trimming. Next is sending out violations. I don't think we are going to give notice then trim the trees and bill the homeowner - too many ways to get complaints and for things to go wrong.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Yup, that's what developers do - put in landscaping without regard to what might happen when the trees grow up. Ours did the same thing and that's how we wound up with a series of expensive sewer line disruptions from tree root invasion.

As for sending violation notices, you either enforce the rule or don't do it at all - simply sending violation notices when you know the board won't follow up is a waste of everyone's time, paper, and postage. You may want to give the voluntary program a few more weeks to give people time to sign up - that may resolve the problem. Tell the homeowners what the board will do - it's up to them to decide what they want to do with THEIR tree - clean up the coconuts, chop down the tree or whatever. If people think the rule is BS, they can petition the board to look into amending that part of the CCRs, which of course will require homeowner approval. In the meantime, the board has a responsibility to enforce the rules in a fair and consistent manner.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkR21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 710
Posted:
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Posted By LoriM15 on 06/21/2022 8:25 PM
Thanks for all the thoughts and suggestions. ….Next is sending out violations. I don't think we are going to give notice then trim the trees and bill the homeowner - too many ways to get complaints and for things to go wrong.

Let me get this straight. You are going to send out violations for a type of tree in the common areas due to a perceived threat that has never happened? The HOA can have these trees but if homeowners do they get fined? Hypocritical? You are also going to allow other items that a hurricane could fling to be allowed?

Wow. Talk about selective enforcement and not being logical?

LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Obviously you didn’t read the thread and jumped to conclusions. The coconut palms are all over the community. The HOA is responsible for cutting off the coconuts on the e trees on common property and in the area of attached homes where the homeowners pay an additional amount to the HOA for landscaping. The single family homes pay for their own landscaping. The coconut palms are not prohibited anywhere in the HOA. We would not be sending out violations for having the trees, but because the homeowners have not cut the coconuts off their trees and it is now hurricane season. Unless you have lived on the coast of Florida you may not understand why flying coconuts in 100+ mph winds are dangerous. By the time a hurricane is forecast it’s too late to get someone out to trim. We are trying to prevent issues and be fair. Our first violation letters are simply friendly letters asking for compliance. Even a second warning gives the homeowner an opportunity to cure before a hearing. There is no hypocrisy in the process.
MarkR21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 710
Posted:
I have family down there my sister ties up all her lawn furniture. Which is just as likely to get picked up by a hurricane

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