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ChristopherL3 (Virginia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Good Morning,
We purchased our home on the Rappahannock River with a full view of the river. ( pictured proof). We have an unruly neighbor that is allowing sumac trees to grow up to a point they are at least 12ft now and growing. this has taken about 3/4 of our view away and according to our realtor has devalued our property by over 15%s on a home that is valued at around 750K. Our president of the HOA has approached them twice and we have approached them also about cutting the sumac trees down to at least 4ft to give us back the view and our home valve. which they have refused. We have asked the President of the HOA for a special board meeting to discuss these trees and have been refused: he states he cannot change the covenants and doesn't plan on further pursuing making this homeowner cut down the trees. So we are at a time know that when they continue to grow not only will we lose all of our views the neighbor to our right will also lose his. What would be a legal recourse I have to get my view and property value back if the HOA refuses to do anything.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
It sounds as if your board president has looked at the covenants for your HOA (you should review them also) and the documents do not support forcing your neighbor to cut trees so that you maintain your view. If the documents don't give the power to the HOA to give a violation to your neighbor because of the trees what do you expect the HOA to do? If the documents don't allow the HOA to enforce, then it's a dispute between neighbors and they are not going to get involved.

I suspect that the documents you signed when you purchased your home or the lot had a disclaimer that the view was not protected. I know that when I lived on a hill in California in an HOA our documents clearly said that the ocean view was not guaranteed.

You will most likely need to hire an attorney (maybe go in with your neighbor who is also affected) and see if you have any legal recourse. Maybe you could offer to pay for your neighbor's tree trimming or make some kind of compromise. But I would not rely on the HOA to do that for you.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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You need to talk to a lawyer who understands HOA and property law.

The board president is correct that he can't change the CC&Rs himself - and if there isn't anything in them restricting tree height, then the neighbor isn't doing anything wrong. You could argue that he's being a selfish jerk, but that's a different issue.

I'm not an expert in this stuff by a long shot. But from what I remember of some court cases, the outcomes have varied between "trees grow, too bad, so sad" to requiring the owner who is now blocking the view to remove the obstacle. Hit or miss, in other words. You'll have to decide if this issue is worth paying what you'll have to pay in order to get it resolved, with the understanding that it may not be resolved in your favor.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Chris

Lori hit the nail on the head. Unless your association docs reference keeping unobstructed views, then it is not a BOD issue.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
If this view is important, I would approach the owner of the sumac trees and see if he is willing to sell you a view easement to permenantly protect your view. You would pay him for the easement and pay an attorney to draft the agreement and then record it with the county. The owner of the sumac trees is not required to grant you an easement and may opt not to for any price.
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
Posted:
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Posted By ChristopherL3 on 06/17/2022 7:28 AM
Good Morning,
We purchased our home on the Rappahannock River with a full view of the river. ( pictured proof). We have an unruly neighbor that is allowing sumac trees to grow up to a point they are at least 12ft now and growing. this has taken about 3/4 of our view away and according to our realtor has devalued our property by over 15%s on a home that is valued at around 750K. Our president of the HOA has approached them twice and we have approached them also about cutting the sumac trees down to at least 4ft to give us back the view and our home valve. which they have refused. We have asked the President of the HOA for a special board meeting to discuss these trees and have been refused: he states he cannot change the covenants and doesn't plan on further pursuing making this homeowner cut down the trees. So we are at a time know that when they continue to grow not only will we lose all of our views the neighbor to our right will also lose his. What would be a legal recourse I have to get my view and property value back if the HOA refuses to do anything.

Further evidence that HOAs are not in place to "protect value," but to maintain common areas and common elements.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Yup. The term "property value" is subjective - what's important to you may not necessarily be important to a potential buyer. Too many things go onto what makes "property values" go up and down, so it would be interesting to see how the realtor arrived at that conclusion. I'm not saying he or she is wrong, but what do you do if two or three more come up with completely different opinions as to whether the trees are a deal maker or breaker?

I concur with everyone else who suggested talking to this homeowner about paying to cut the trees down or at least prune them to where you'll get your view. After that, you'll have to decide if this is worth throwing hands in court and what you will need to prove your property values dipped 15% (and you'll need more than the realtor's statement).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkR21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 710
Posted:
Trees add value to property actually so who are you to complain?
Just sell your home to someone who doesn’t care about the view

Study after study shows the actual value is 7.3452%

Or maybe it is 8.6543%

Or maybe it’s just a subjective opinion that isn’t important to get worked up about
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I agree with those who suggest trying to work with the Owners of the trees, using your own funds if necessary. If not cored by your HOA docs and DO read them, your HOA has no role here.

Having been a realtor long, long ago, for 5 years in two communities where ocean views were possible, hones with such view definitely sold for more than those without. I'd say 15% is about right depending on other factors.But as pointed out here, not all buyers are looking for view homes. Still if water view are possible and someone wants one, they will not even look at a home without.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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A home's value is whatever someone is willing to pay for it. A realtor's opinion is just that: an opinion - and a single opinion won't be much help in proving damages. Home buyers vary widely in what they're looking for. There are plenty who would say "wow, look at those beautiful trees that I can watch but don't have to clean up the leaves and falling bark and whatnot."

In addition, now that interest rates are rising, homes everywhere are becoming less affordable - which means sellers will have to reduce the price they're willing to accept if they want to sell their homes. It is impossible to point to a single factor to blame for falling home valuations, and trying to argue financial damages is probably a non-starter. But a responsible lawyer will point that out.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Oh, yes, I do agree, Cathy, that real or not loss of value wouldn't help this owner in court. Especially so if the tree-one is doing nothing illegal or against local building codes.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I seem to remember a past post where the HOA Covenants (CO I think) did have some wording concerning blocking views and they forced a person to trim their trees. Granted not common, but such can/does exist.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/19/2022 1:37 PM
I seem to remember a past post where the HOA Covenants (CO I think) did have some wording concerning blocking views and they forced a person to trim their trees. Granted not common, but such can/does exist.

ADD ON

I found this from a past post:

Section 16. [AMENDED] Maintenance of Tree and Plant Height (Affects Lots in THE ESTATES Only). On Lots which have a ridge height limitation as set forth in Section 15 in this Article XII, no trees, shrubs, hedges, or plants of any kind over six (6) feet high may be allowed to block the view of Mount Rainier or The Cascades or the valley floor for those upslope or adjacent Lots which would be adversely affected by such vegetation. If any tree, plant, hedge, etc., grows above six (6) feet high and partially or completely blocks said views from any of these affected Lots, the Owners of Lots whose view is blocked may, at their expense, trim said trees, plants, etc., down to a level that is not blocking their view, but in any event not less than six (6) feet in height. However, any other damage and/or liability incurred by the trimming and removal of slash from trees or plants shall not be waived. All work must be accomplished in a neat and clean manner by a licensed and bonded contractor and all landscaping returned to its original condition. Furthermore, prior to any such trimming action by the affected Owner, the Owner on whose Lot the vegetation exists shall first be notified in writing, and the timing for the activity shall be coordinated to accommodate each Owner involved. In the event of any dispute, both Owners shall present their case to the Committee, and the Committee shall decide whether the vegetation should be trimmed or not.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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If you wanted to prove your HOA lowered your sale of your home by 15% you would have to sell the house at 15% less. However, once you sell your home, you would no longer be an HOA member... So you would not have a valid case against your HOA if your not a member of it...

Plus HOA's never ever keep or maintain property values. Those are based on REAL numbers. What other houses have sold or foreclosed for in the last 6 months in a few mile radius of similar homes. Your realtor should know this. A HOA keeps the property/homes attractive to potential buyers. That is not the same as property "value".

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