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PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
We are stacked condos, 2 high. We are 40 years old. The sidewalk entry is 2-1 step steps that accesses 4 units. The space between the steps lengthwise is approximately 3-4 feet. The steps have a handrail.

We have received a reasonable accommodation request from a 1st floor owner requesting a ramp from their front door to their parking space. The elderly owner uses a rolling walker when they feel it’s necessary. They use it over the grass and though the woods at their leisure. Many times they don't use it at all.

The owner has placed 2 store purchased ramps in the walkway. The ramps are not secured and do not cover the entire width of the walkway leaving a 6-8” gap on one side. The Board asked them to remove the unapproved ramps and file an ARC request.

They have filed an ARC request for the store purchased ramps with an additional ramp at the curb to their parking space which would extend to the neighboring parking space in width. We have assigned parking spaces.

We are taking this to our attorney but was wondering if anyone else has information on dealing with this issue. Is it reasonable to allow for ramps, maybe not these that don’t fit the width of the walkway and create a wheel drop hazard for the walker, on community property that services 4 units with an additional ramp in the parking lot?

Looking forward to comments and thoughts about this situation.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
If I were on the Board, I would give my ok.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I would make sure whatever is installed is removable. It is not a permanent structure. That way it can be removed once they no longer in the property.

Former HOA President
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
They are removable, can be screwed into the sidewalk. I'm concerned about the width of the ramp not covering the width of the sidewalk. Wouldn't this create a walking hazard, or in this case, a wheel on the walker hazard? Walker or wheelchair, a wheel could slip of the ramp and cause an injury. Am I overthinking this?
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
Posted:
Pat, since your CIC has already engaged your attorney and since reasonable accommodations are a federally regulated matter that has been litigated repeatedly over the last 30 years, I would honestly say that feedback from this forum is not going to meaningfully improve your outcomes.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I can see approving the request for the ramps on the steps, providing that they are secured and not a hazard to others.

The ramp into the parking space that would interfere with another members parking space is an issue to me.

Try looking for other options -
moving their parking space closer to an existing ramp, etc.
MarkR21 (North Carolina)
Posts: 710
Posted:
So instead of working with them you’ve already sent it to a nasty lawyer. Way to piss away your hoas money. Total fail

They will win in the end
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
A permanent ramp that people won't trip over is a reasonable accommodation. I understand why the association asked the person to remove the portable ramps since they're a hazard in their own right. But this means you need to fast track the request for the permanent ramp. Unreasonably delaying approval is also a violation of the law.

The board should get on this fast - it's a no-brainer if you already have evidence that the person has mobility issues.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Since your condo was built before the ADA I would honestly just have the concrete poured to meet their accommodation. Having their portable ramp that is wider than the current sidewalk
I would worry that the ramp is unstable and can cause a trip hazard. If the ramp is there al the time and someone else uses it and falls, it sets up some pretty nasty legal challenges.
Look at your reserve study and see where replacing sidewalks come in and go from there. If your reserve study calls for replacing aging sidewalks, they will more than likely
be installed with current ADA guidelines in mind.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The impression is the Owner will pay for the(se) ramp(s), right Pat? I think getting the HOA attorney's advice is a good thing and not nasty at all.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I'd probably grant it PROVIDED it's fitted properly to the space to avoid gaps. I know that may mean he or she will have to get something other than whatever was purchased from the store,but we are talking about safety. I don't 2an5 the owner or anyone else to risk and then turn around and try to sue the association.

The owner would also have to remove it when the house was sold or if the owner didn't need it anymore. The ramp can't be extended to the parking lot (safety concerns again)- it may be necessary to move the owner's assigned space closer to the home.

Has anyone else noticed pat's statement about the owner not even using the rolling walker most of the time? That may be subjective because I wouldn't expect people to stare at the lot 24/7, but this makes me pause a bit. It would be another matter if someone else in the home also uses a walker or wheelchair,but this person is rolling around on the grass, which may have uneven ground.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I agree with Kerry that talking to the association's attorney is not unkind at all.

Ours told us that if we got a hint that these sorts of issues were in play to turn things over to them for the proper verification and opinion on whether the accommodation is appropriate (along with a reminder to the board to get on with it promptly). It's easy for associations to make mistakes with Fair Housing issues, even lawyers who don't practice in that area can get it wrong. And board members are generally not lawyers. If push comes to shove, it also can help if an association can point to evidence that they're taking steps to comply with the law.

JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
Does the ramp need to be ADA compliant? I know they sell them.

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