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SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Hi all. Our HOA does quarterly assessments. We have always pre-paid them for the year. Can these pre-paid assessments payments be used for other things, such as fines? The payments specifically state for assessment fees only.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Possibly, depending on your Governing Documents and Arizona codes and laws.

In Texas we have a Legislature mandated change to the property code some years ago regarding the priority of application of payments received for Section 209 Homeowners Associations (not condominiums). Payments received must be applied to debts in a specific order, beginning with currently due assessments, past due assessments, then a list of other liabilities owed the Association. That list includes fines.

You must review your association documents and state requirements regarding application of payments to determine in what order payments received may be applied to sums owed an association.

MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
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Posted By SusanA9 on 06/07/2022 6:29 PM
Hi all. Our HOA does quarterly assessments. We have always pre-paid them for the year. Can these pre-paid assessments payments be used for other things, such as fines? The payments specifically state for assessment fees only.

yes
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Yes in some HOA's or states, the HOA can apply unpaid fines toward the HOA dues. You can't typically lien/foreclose for fines. However, if your accounting is done by applying dues payments toward fines, then it can be made to look like your not paying your dues. I don't agree with this practice. That is MY OPINION. It is NOT something our HOA would do. We did not issue fines. That is MY HOA and how WE handled things. Your HOA may vary.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Just on a practical note, how or why does one pre-pay a fine?

I have visions of a homeowner telling the board that they plan to violate Article IV of the CC&Rs and here's the money for the fine, don't bother with the violation notices and hearings... :-)

Of course this doesn't work, due process is usually required to make the fine lawful.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By CathyA3 on 06/08/2022 5:41 AM
Just on a practical note, how or why does one pre-pay a fine?

I have visions of a homeowner telling the board that they plan to violate Article IV of the CC&Rs and here's the money for the fine, don't bother with the violation notices and hearings... :-)

Of course this doesn't work, due process is usually required to make the fine lawful.

Comedy aside, there should be something either in your governing documents or state law that will spell out the hierarchy in which payments must be applied. You need to check both of these areas to see if what you want to do complies with these - otherwise it can hurt your ability to collect unpaid balances.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Do you have a written policy on how payments will be applied.
If not, then follow the memo line and apply it to assessments.

Then start working on adopting a written policy on payments.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
If this had been California, the pre-paid assessments cannot be used to pay a fine. A separate payment would have to be made. Payments earmarked for assessments can only be used to pay assessments.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
The problem is, our HOA is applying the pre-paid Assessments to fines, then charging late fees for an unpaid assessment. The fines are being disputed, but there is an HOA person who has singled out the 2 properties that we have, and are constantly making up stuff. And if the fine was already "paid" the board wont discuss it. We were told by the vice president and one of the accounting people to write for assessment only on the check and that it would be used only for that purpose. But the other people in accounting will now reject our assessment payment because I have written 'ASSESSMENT ONLY" on it. This has been going on for a year. There cannot be late fees and collection fees on something we paid ahead of time. I have searched through the CC&Rs and tried to find some law that states that payments should only be put toward the intended purpose. I am a bookkeeper in an unrelated field, and when our customers send in payments they send in remittance, and that is where the payment is applied, regardless if they have other unpaid invoices. I am in Arizona, does anyone know if there is anything I can do about this problem?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
My HOA software is based out of Arizona, so I emailed them to find out what the priorty of payments is in your state.

IMHO, they are crooks.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
That sounds crazy Suzan, I don't even know if that would pass the smell test here in Nevada. In the age of paying assessments online there is no way of writing for assessments only on the check.
Your governing documents would provide more insight as to how your assessment account is divested. Is your HOA self managed or have a PMC?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Susan,

You may want to ask that question to the AZ dept of real estate as they will handle disputes between owners and their Association.

See:

Homeowners Association Dispute Process from AZ Dept of Real Estate

Message Center for AZ Dept of Real Estate

BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
SusanA9

The shenanigans you described are precisely the reason the State of Texas in 2011 mandated the order in which payments received are to be applied to amounts owed the association, although the mandate applies to Texas Property Code Section 209 HOAs only.

I'm with Max on this one.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Actually, the payment of fines is not in the priority of payment schedule.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By MaxB4 on 06/08/2022 12:20 PM
Actually, the payment of fines is not in the priority of payment schedule.

In California
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Say, Susan, who the heck is this "HOA person?" A member of the board of directors? A property manager? And you were "told" by the VP and "one of the accounting people?"

It's really important to get such suggestions in writing, not verbally And even then, the VP should not have any authority to tell you what to do. There should be a written policy of your Association an/or board.

Finally, who are the "accounting people?" Do they work for your management company?

Right now, we don't have any regular contributors here from AZ, but I learned from some past good ones that AZ is a really HOA Owner-friendly state and has lots of statutes to protect owners. I think you need to read your AZ HOA statutes.

In addition, AZ is an open meeting state so you're permitted to attend Board meetings and also to ask questions. Why not ask the Board at a board meeting what the policy is and where you can read it. I assume you've already asked the VP And the PM?
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I have it all in emails from the HOA. The HOA is Brown Management for Summer Lane. I have the actual emails from one of the accounting ladies there who told me this:
Good Afternoon,

When the admin of the community processes violations and applies a fine to your account, we don’t go in and post any prepaid funds to your fines. If you have a prepaid balance on your account, those funds will automatically apply to your fines. All we can do is go into your account if we are notified by the homeowner (you) that a prepaid/credit balance was applied to fines and manually adjust said balance. You
can also use the memo line on your check and put "For Assessment Use Only"

I will take care of this as soon as possible and the fine will be on the account as unpaid.

Her signature listed her as AR Specialist from the management company.

When our prepaid assessments kept getting applied to unresolved disputed fines, and then we were getting billed for late assessments (late fees and collection fees), I would send emails about it to the management company, and addressed the Board. I finally got a phone call from a man who claimed to be the VP and told me that the issue was resolved and assessment payments would not be applied to fines. However, the accounting person (other than the one above) who handles our community, refuses to honor what we have been told. The last assessment payment we sent in (no longer will we pre-pay), it was sent in with the remittance coupon for the assessment and the payment said "for assessment only", that payment was returned to us, and said we are not allowed to write on the memo of OUR payment, what we were paying for, then charged late fees and collection fees.
I have asked them to provide me with the policy that says they can use our assessment funds for things other than assessments, and I never get a response.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So, you've only been dealing with the HOA's management company (MC). They are an employee/vendor of your HOA and were hired by your HOA's board of directors. They are *not* your HOA. Part of their contract with your HOA, it seems, is to collect payments.

You need to see the written board/HOA policy about dues, late payments, fines, etc. Send your written request to the MC, return receipt requested.

A verbal suggestion to you means nothing no matter who it's form.

It sounds like you do not attend board meetings, is that right? Do attend and ask the Board at the meeting during the open forum period how you can read your HOA's policy on dues, fines, etc.. I many states, for instance, an Owner cannot be fined without having a chance to spek at a hearing with the Board. The fining policy and schedule of fines also must be in writing.

Have you read other documents of your HOA like perhaps Rules & Regulations, which might discuss fines, hearings, etc? Or possibly, it's in your Bylaws?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 06/08/2022 2:57 PM
So, you've only been dealing with the HOA's management company (MC). They are an employee/vendor of your HOA and were hired by your HOA's board of directors. They are *not* your HOA. Part of their contract with your HOA, it seems, is to collect payments.

You need to see the written board/HOA policy about dues, late payments, fines, etc. Send your written request to the MC, return receipt requested.

A verbal suggestion to you means nothing no matter who it's form.

It sounds like you do not attend board meetings, is that right? Do attend and ask the Board at the meeting during the open forum period how you can read your HOA's policy on dues, fines, etc.. I many states, for instance, an Owner cannot be fined without having a chance to spek at a hearing with the Board. The fining policy and schedule of fines also must be in writing.

Have you read other documents of your HOA like perhaps Rules & Regulations, which might discuss fines, hearings, etc? Or possibly, it's in your Bylaws?

Does your association have a priority of payments listed in your rules or fining policy or schedules of fines? Does YOUR Board of Director know the answer of would they have to rely on the management company?

FYI, Priority of Payments for California are: 1) assessments owed, 2) fees and cost of collection, 3) attorney fees, 4) late charges, 5) interest. No fines, has to be a separate payment.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I have looked through the CC&Rs and I am unable to find anything regarding giving them the option to apply quarterly assessment payments to disputed fines.
The "people" at the management company are the ones who walk around the community and issue the notices about what they call violations. When I get a notice, it tells me who is reporting the issue, and its always the same person who is writing the notice, which is always the same person with signature from Brown Management.
What does the HOA do? No, I dont go to meetings, I am out of town a lot, and just dont have time for these games.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
have you heard back from them?
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By SusanA9 on 06/08/2022 3:53 PM
I have looked through the CC&Rs and I am unable to find anything regarding giving them the option to apply quarterly assessment payments to disputed fines.
The "people" at the management company are the ones who walk around the community and issue the notices about what they call violations. When I get a notice, it tells me who is reporting the issue, and its always the same person who is writing the notice, which is always the same person with signature from Brown Management.
What does the HOA do? No, I dont go to meetings, I am out of town a lot, and just dont have time for these games.

Based on 13 years experience, Boards or Associatuon won't know what the priority of payments are. They are not in the CCRs, nor are they in Rules or Collection polices. Mine are built into our software and I have seen the same from three other companies I reviewed.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By SusanA9 on 06/08/2022 3:55 PM
have you heard back from them?

I won't heard back from them until sometime tomorrow. They're not the fastest kids on the block in responding.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Too bad, Susan. It'd be a very good question to ask in the presence of other owners, etc.

Since you're disputing the fine, won't you have to play the HOA board of directors' games?
JayL6 (Kansas)
Posts: 18
Posted:
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Posted By SusanA9 on 06/08/2022 11:39 AM
And if the fine was already "paid" the board wont discuss it.

I think this is your main problem. Why, and under what rule, will they not discuss a challenge to a fine?
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
I looked at Arizona law briefly.

The Arizona Planned Community Act applies to all planned communities in AZ, and answers a lot of your questions.

https://www.azleg.gov/arsDetail/?title=33

Scroll way down to Chapter 16. I suggest you read section 33-1801 to make sure the law applies to your community. There are some exceptions for communities established before 1974. The definition of a planned community is in section 33-1802.

Assuming the law does apply, here are some pertinent sections:

Section 33-1807 J states:
"...all payments received on a member's account shall be applied first to any unpaid assessments, unpaid charges for late payment of those assessments, unpaid reasonable collection fees and unpaid attorney fees and costs incurred with respect to those assessments, in that order, with any remaining amounts applied next to other unpaid fees, charges and monetary penalties or interest and late charges on any of those amounts."

There is a lot more in this section that you need to read about.

Section 33-1803 is about monetary penalties (fines) and has a lot of steps (due process) that the association must go through before imposing a monetary penalty. I would carefully read the law to see if your association properly followed all the provisions. It also says;
"Any monies paid by a member for an unpaid penalty shall be applied first to the principal amount unpaid and then to the interest accrued."

Does this help your situation?
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeffT2 on 06/09/2022 11:44 AM
I looked at Arizona law briefly.

The Arizona Planned Community Act applies to all planned communities in AZ, and answers a lot of your questions.

https://www.azleg.gov/arsDetail/?title=33

Scroll way down to Chapter 16. I suggest you read section 33-1801 to make sure the law applies to your community. There are some exceptions for communities established before 1974. The definition of a planned community is in section 33-1802.

Assuming the law does apply, here are some pertinent sections:

Section 33-1807 J states:
"...all payments received on a member's account shall be applied first to any unpaid assessments, unpaid charges for late payment of those assessments, unpaid reasonable collection fees and unpaid attorney fees and costs incurred with respect to those assessments, in that order, with any remaining amounts applied next to other unpaid fees, charges and monetary penalties or interest and late charges on any of those amounts."

There is a lot more in this section that you need to read about.

Section 33-1803 is about monetary penalties (fines) and has a lot of steps (due process) that the association must go through before imposing a monetary penalty. I would carefully read the law to see if your association properly followed all the provisions. It also says;
"Any monies paid by a member for an unpaid penalty shall be applied first to the principal amount unpaid and then to the interest accrued."

Does this help your situation?

I looked at this too. And I think one of the issues is that the assessments were prepaid when the fine hit the account. The OP had a positive balance sitting on her account, not used yet for assessments. Then the fine hit the account and they applied the positive balance, since it was just a bucket of money sitting there waiting to be used for the assessments. I can see both sides of this argument. The software wasn't smart enough to figure out that the money in the account was only supposed to be used for assessments. The OP didn't intend for the money to be used for the fine.

Here's a similar issue - we fined a homeowner $500 for a continuing landscape violation. He uses the "click pay" feature from our management company and has his monthly assessment auto debited from his checking account. He didn't realize that when he authorized the auto debit he authorized it for any outstanding balance. So the $500 fine hit his account at the same time as his monthly auto debit and was paid. He says paid without his consent - but actually it was paid with the consent he signed when he signed up for the program.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Glad Jeff & Lori reviewed AZ statutes. I'm sure Susan will be appreciative.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By KerryL1 on 06/09/2022 1:16 PM
Glad Jeff & Lori reviewed AZ statutes. I'm sure Susan will be appreciative.

Guess you didn't have time.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Thank you so much for taking the time to look these up.
Like he said, the money paid was for assessments. So that is where the money SHOULD have gone. But instead, they refused to make the adjustments and separate the fines (which are different than assessments) from the required assessments. They took that money and applied it incorrectly, and then had the nerve to charge us late fees and collection fees for unpaid assessments. EXCEPT the assessments were paid, they just didnt apply it to the right bill.
Then, since we stopped pre-paying the assessments, we send in the quarterly payment, with the coupon we get for assessments, and make note on the check that is is for assessment , and they returned the check saying we cannot direct them on how to apply OUR funds.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
That sounds like the creative accounting some HOA's use to enforce fines. I don't personally agree with it but it's not illegal.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Max, what is your reason for this most rent hostility towards me?
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Everything that I read seems to only be directed toward UNpaid assessment fees.
I paid the assessment fees. I even pre-paid them for the whole year. Then when they cant seem to correctly apply the payment to the correct bill, we now just pay quarterly, and they STILL cannot get it right.
The problem is this: We PAID the assessments. THEY used the money for things other than assessments, then charged us late fees and collection fees and said we didnt pay the assessment. I can easily prove that the assessment WAS paid because I write "For ASSESSMENT ONLY" on the check along with the account number and the quarter in which I paid.
Now the latest game they are playing is, they didnt accept the payment and sent it back to us, said we could not tell them how to use OUR money, and couldnt tell them which bill we were paying. AND again charged us late fees and collection fees after they rejected the payment.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Susan,

Please keep in mind the forums posting rules, specifically this one:

(3) No Mention of Community/Company/Person Names: In order to fairly enforce (2) and prevent liability, we do not allow the mentioning of any community name, company name or product. Please also do not post the full name of any person.

If the AZ dept of real estate can't be of assistance, you may need to hire an attorney to resolve this issue.

This will now become a cost-benefits decision for you.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Based on Lorie's findings,

You might try sending the check back with the memo line stating submitted in accordance with AZ 33-1807.

Additionally, you might want to write the board and simply ask the question why the board isn't complying with that section and see what their response is.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Thanks you for that suggestion! I will do that. I doubt I will get a response, but I will do it and update here if I get a response. Thanks everyone!
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Update on this situation.
I sent in our July payment and wrote on the check that I was paying for assessment fees per the Arizona revised Statutes, and included a sheet of paper with the statue typed out, for their easy reference. And the check was accepted and not returned. Thanks for the idea and for the help with this!
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Glad it worked out, but I'd still attend the next board meeting and ask them to clarify their policy. Since it would appear your state law doesn't allow them to do what they did, someone needs to talk to the property manager and ensure their procedures are in compliance with state law. Depending on how large your community is, I might consider sending everyone a letter summarizing your experience and suggesting everyone check their account statements. You might not be the only person this happened to and your neighbors might appreciate a heads up.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Glad it worked out, but I'd still attend the next board meeting and ask them to clarify their policy. Since it would appear your state law doesn't allow them to do what they did, someone needs to talk to the property manager and ensure their procedures are in compliance with state law. Depending on how large your community is, I might consider sending everyone a letter summarizing your experience and suggesting everyone check their account statements. You might not be the only person this happened to and your neighbors might appreciate a heads up.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
We asked our lawyer (one of the largest HOA law business's in SC) and he said while there is no law against applying assessments to fines first then assessments, he would not take the case on as he believes the courts would frown on this practice.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/27/2022 2:01 PM
We asked our lawyer (one of the largest HOA law business's in SC) and he said while there is no law against applying assessments to fines first then assessments, he would not take the case on as he believes the courts would frown on this practice.

I wonder why.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
I guess we are lucky here in Arizona, because we do have a law that says they must post payments to assessments first before they post to any fines.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
I was on a sale call with a new software vendor and they mentioned that Arizona and Nevada cannot apply payments to fines unless the homeowner specifically states that intention. That is the law also in California.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
It is the law in Texas as well for property code section 209 HOAs.

I'm not certain the homeowner has the ability to tell the association to deviate from the state mandated order for application of payments received.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
My CC&Rs spell out the order of applying payments, and monthly assessments come *last* (after fines, late fees, collection costs and legal costs). The state treats fines as assessments, though, so legally there is no difference.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Update to this is issue. I am dealing with HOA people that are complete power freaks and unethical!
So I followed the advise of a memmber here and wrote on the check the Arizona statue that says member payments must be applied to any open assessments first. And I mailed in the check on 7/1/22. I waited until the due date (but have 15 days before its late) because they also told me that if I paid anything early, that the payment would be used for unpaid fines, instead of the upcoming assessment. So I am thinking that it must have worked, because I didnt get my check back this time saying I wasnt allowed to write on the check what the payment was for. HOWEVER, today I get a statement, and they said they didnt get my payment until 7/22/22, and on 7/31/22 they charged a late fee. I mail the check to the address that is in the same state where I am. There is NO WAY it took my payment 22 days to get 10 miles from where I mailed it from.
The statement shows a "previous balance" of a crazy high number, that I ikeep asking for the details of this "Previous Balance", but I am told that they switched software and did not have the details of the previous balance, but that I should "trust" them and have no worries that the amount is correct.
So, for you HOA people out there, what is the best solution here? Do not tell me to write a letter to the board members, that has already been done, and all they do is give the letter back to the management people and tell them to deal with it.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
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Posted By SusanA9 on 09/13/2022 12:09 PM
Update to this is issue. I am dealing with HOA people that are complete power freaks and unethical!
So I followed the advise of a memmber here and wrote on the check the Arizona statue that says member payments must be applied to any open assessments first. And I mailed in the check on 7/1/22. I waited until the due date (but have 15 days before its late) because they also told me that if I paid anything early, that the payment would be used for unpaid fines, instead of the upcoming assessment. So I am thinking that it must have worked, because I didnt get my check back this time saying I wasnt allowed to write on the check what the payment was for. HOWEVER, today I get a statement, and they said they didnt get my payment until 7/22/22, and on 7/31/22 they charged a late fee. I mail the check to the address that is in the same state where I am. There is NO WAY it took my payment 22 days to get 10 miles from where I mailed it from.
The statement shows a "previous balance" of a crazy high number, that I ikeep asking for the details of this "Previous Balance", but I am told that they switched software and did not have the details of the previous balance, but that I should "trust" them and have no worries that the amount is correct.
So, for you HOA people out there, what is the best solution here? Do not tell me to write a letter to the board members, that has already been done, and all they do is give the letter back to the management people and tell them to deal with it.

I think your core issue is you do not want to pay fines. Have you inquired with the property manager if the Board would be willing to waive the fines, and if so, what actions you can take for them to do so?

Fines are not considered revenue sources and many HOAs will waive them once the violation has been corrected. I would see what options are available for having the fines waived, and then you don't need to worry about whether your check is being paid toward fines or dues.
SusanA9 (Arizona)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Our 2 properties have become the target of these people. They hit us with notices for one thing or another every 2 weeks. Most of them are just dumb and taken care of before the letter even reaches our mail box. But then these people hit both of our properties and said we needed to paint the houses. Our houses have stucco exterior's. Painting stucco can lead to trapped moisture and cause wood rot and mold.
Our houses did not need to be painted. We did use a low pressure washer to brighten up the stucco, but that was not good enough for this HOA. The other houses in neighborhood looked just like ours did, and we did not feel we needed to paint. We went back and forth the BODs about the issues that could come up from painting stucco. They did not care. This went on for a few months. Every 2 weeks they hit us with another $150 fine. Finally, we gave in and painted the houses. THEN, and this right here is what insanity is made from, they FINED us for painting the houses!!! The houses were painted the EXACT same color that they were already. They told us we did not have permission to paint the house(that we own) that they were charging us with fines on.
We have asked them to waive the fines, they refuse. We refuse to pay the fines. HOWEVER we DO pay our assessments. And that is where the assessment payments should go.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Susan,

I hope you have written documentation of everything you posted.

At this point in time, I suggest you take everything to an attorney and see what legal options you have (as it's apparent your board doesn't want to listen).
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
I'm not sure who told you that stucco shouldn't be painted, but our houses here in Florida would all be rotted if that were true. I would say 99% of the houses here are stucco over either concrete block or wooden sheathing and they are all painted. And it's recommended you paint your house every 5 - 7 years.

Did they fine you for painting your houses because your community requires architectural committee or board approval before you can paint? Did you go to the committee before you painted?

Our community used to have a rule you could paint your house the original color without permission. That got changed several years ago. Now you cannot paint your house the original color because we have an official color palette that is updated colors. You can only choose from those. We went round and round with a homeowner last week who said all the official colors look like "poop" and she wants to paint her house a Florida color (meaning a bright or pastel color). She simply didn't like being told she couldn't. Unfortunately that's life in an HOA.

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