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DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Our HOA is in need of removing trees and brush from the common area consisting of a long strip of land that runs along one of our small lakes. The trees and brush are leaning into and over the lake itself, and our lake maintenance contractor can not get the algae under control. We had an estimate of $28,000 from a licensed excavation contractor for the cleanup and removal of trees and brush. Our President says we should instead get volunteers from our community to clean up this area, saving our HOA money.....because our budget is almost depleted. He says we (the HOA) will not be liable if volunteers hurt themselves. County codes require a permit for removal, and removal may be performed only by the "owner of the property" or a licensed contractor. Pres says that volunteers are owners of the common area... We actually have an ammendment to our bylaws in 1994 which states: VOLUNTEERS: " Members may be permitted to volunteer their labor as requested or needed. If the member has an idea to change or improve something in the Park, the member shall get permission of the Board of Directors before undertaking such a project. As a volunteer, they should know that they are not protected by any insurance nor does the Association accept any liability for injury as a volunteer". I see a chain saw accident waiting to happen, and am not comfortable with this volunteer suggestion at all. Other BODs say "we have always used volunteers for things, so why not?" To be clear, many of our BOD have been in place for years, and do not like my questioning things as the "new BOD". Are we truly liability free as an HOA? The BOD discussed the issue of volunters last meeting, but we tabled the issue until next meeting. (720) Thanks.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dana,
Are you sure that some of this area is not under the COUNTY LITTORAL PRESERVATION CONTROL? I don't know where you are but we are restricted from going within any 10 foot area to any water and waterways. PLease check first. The County has the ability to hit you with very heavy fines AND can demand full replacement of the vegetation.

If not, just make sure that your insurance policy will cover this. We have a resident liability coverage.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
They can have all the "disclaimers" they want, doesn't make them enforceable.

If that were the case, then no insurance claim in the world would ever end up in court. There are all kinds of variables and circumstances under which the HOA would or could be held responsible or liable for any activities, much less volunteered activities, that occur on its owned or deeded properties. Just simply passing a "rule" or CC&R saying "nuh uh, we ain't paying" won't absolve them.

By the way, our County Extension office will help with pond issues, including algae. Might be worth a call.
DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
I will ask our Property Mgr about our HOA insurance policy, and I will check with our County to get some guidance before this project proceeds. Thanks for giving me direction, Dana
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Dana:

I am not a lawyer, but I would not be optimistic about the HOA's chances in court if someone got hurt. I think someone suggested this, but ask your insurance company about options of either adding them to the policy for a short time or getting workmans comp, etc. You run the risk anytime a volunteer does work, but pulling weeds and planting flowers is a lot different than having a chainsaw and cutting down trees. As you said it is an accident waiting to happen, so make sure your HOA is protected.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Dana:

Most HOA's policies are for liability and D&O. They do not have workmen's compensation insurance. If an Owner got hurt while performing these tasks then the HOA would be liable for their injuries.

IMHO, planting flowers at the entrance, helping in a social event are the tasks that HO can help with, but removing large mature trees and cutting brush down seems like a job for the professionals.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Absolutely not to volunteers performing work like that!!

Your Board could be liable for hospitalization, worker's comp., doctor's bills for minor injuries, etc. etc.

Anyone you hire must be a company and have worker's comp. insurance - and be licensed, if their work requires it.

(Our HOA is constantly bombarded by the elders (over 75 years of age) who get mad because we hire out work now that USED to be done on a volunteer basis. But the liability is just to high, and some areas of work require licensed expertise now!)
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
We have a "clean up day" at least once a month. It usually takes place at an abandoned lot. Volunteers show up with weedeaters, chain saws, mowers and other small handtools, along with plenty of trash bags. I believe if you show up with certain types of equipment, you have the knowledge to operate it safely. Most of the time after cleaning up these lots, they sell, therefore generating income for the asso. in the form of dues. It also beautifies the neighborhood so it is a benefit to all. I'm sure accidents can and will happen but holding the HOA liable for accidents doesn'nt seem like it would hold up in court since you volunteered to do it. Just common sense IMO
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jan:

I wouldn't assume that if you show up with something or if you own something you know how to own it. And even if you do it doesn't mean accidents won't happen. If you don't think it will hold up in court then roll the dice, but the question I have for you is who is organizing the volunteer efforts? Who is the work being done for? The question in both cases is the HOA, your board should think long and hard about the potential consequences compared to the benefits. Of course the volunteers will say they won't sue, see what their attitude is like after they saw off an arm or leg and can't work anymore.
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
The lady that organizes it is a volunteer and she does various volunteer work around the community as well as sitting on the greivance commitee. The properties we "clean up" are either abandoned lots, fire damaged lots, or lots owned by the asso that need to be sold. We also have a day where we just pick up trash along the roads (private).
As for sawing off arms and legs, that movie has been made....twice!
AlexL1 (Florida)
Posts: 305
Posted:
Well.. a number of points were raised/stated but not yet sure if it is OK (permissible) for volunteers to do minor work in the HOA community
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Alex, it is permissible to have volunteer work done in the HOA. Just remember that the HOA is liable if an accident happens.
ValL (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Definitely check with your Insurance provider. Ask what type of coverage you need to get to cover volunteer homeowners. A lawsuit could end of being filed against the Association and all members. Unfortuately, the risks outweigh the immediate savings. Volunteers have their hearts in the right place, but if a person ends of disabled - their outlook and priorities change.
AlexL1 (Florida)
Posts: 305
Posted:
Then from what I read... there is absolutely NO WAY that volunteer work can bes done for the HOA... that is unfortunate.....
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
AlexL1: It is unfortunate in this day and age of people being sue-happy, to think you cannot or should not take on anyone who is willing to volunteer to do 'dangerous' work for the HOA. The responses you have received all point to of course, you can; but should you? You run the risk of an accident occuring in which the Association would be responsible, with the chance of a law suit.

Speak to your association's insurance agent. Ever hear of 'proceed at your own risk'? Perhaps the agent could offer a disclaimer to use if you insist on going this route.

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