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ThadC2 (Florida)
Posts: 820
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What is the best way to promote electronic voting?
Our HOA management company has a video by their lawyer saying it is best to have an informational meeting and then vote afterwards. Due to the fact that we want to have meeting virtual AND physically present and the way the state law is written thsi is best option I think.

In the past we have only mailed out the annual budget, with proxy and perhaps an agenda.
this will be the first time we are doing electronic voting and I'm not sure how long the voting should last? I was going to let the vote continue until we got quorum which is about 50 votes in our neighborhood single family HOA. don't see the point in having just a few people vote and then board just does what they want.

My ideas so far are:

Have big sign at front entrance with website link to vote. Buy short custom domain name (like Voteimmediately.com, onlinehoa.vote, votepool.com, etc)

Have random drawing for people that vote and give away $200 visa gift card.

Have a big ticket item on the vote like "vote to determine how HOA will invest $50,000K in funds." or should we spend $Xx,xxx on a swimming pool.

use online site like election buddy to administer the vote, they seem to have best price. have it linked to our website.

If all above fails, go door to door getting people to fill out ballot on a tablet.

other ideas???

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.

Former HOA President
ThadC2 (Florida)
Posts: 820
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 8:22 AM
You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.

the hoa management's lawyer said its legal, my question is not about legality is it about best way to get voter turn out.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 8:22 AM
You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.

It doesn't have to be in your rules, as many HOA's do not update their docs when state law has been changed.
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
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Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 7:04 AM
What is the best way to promote electronic voting?
Our HOA management company has a video by their lawyer saying it is best to have an informational meeting and then vote afterwards. Due to the fact that we want to have meeting virtual AND physically present and the way the state law is written thsi is best option I think.

In the past we have only mailed out the annual budget, with proxy and perhaps an agenda.
this will be the first time we are doing electronic voting and I'm not sure how long the voting should last? I was going to let the vote continue until we got quorum which is about 50 votes in our neighborhood single family HOA. don't see the point in having just a few people vote and then board just does what they want.

My ideas so far are:

Have big sign at front entrance with website link to vote. Buy short custom domain name (like Voteimmediately.com, onlinehoa.vote, votepool.com, etc)

Have random drawing for people that vote and give away $200 visa gift card.

Have a big ticket item on the vote like "vote to determine how HOA will invest $50,000K in funds." or should we spend $Xx,xxx on a swimming pool.

use online site like election buddy to administer the vote, they seem to have best price. have it linked to our website.

If all above fails, go door to door getting people to fill out ballot on a tablet. other ideas???


Thad,

Having used electronic balloting for the past two years, I all of your ideas are worthwhile, but I don't think you need a custom website. Emailing all your owners consistently to provide succinct information on how to vote is the key. Keep asking those who don't vote to vote by sending them electronic reminders (and post reminders in your common areas, etc.).

Get the email list right and understand how electronic voting services generally only contact ONE owner per home/unit.

Regards,
Steve
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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We’re doing electronic (Ie, online) voting for the 2nd year in a row. We’ve got one week for nominations, then two weeks for voting, followed immediately by the annual meeting. IMHO, the schedule is a bit rushed, but it’s workable.

The system that we’re using relies upon our HOA/PMC having a database of homeowner email addresses: Each homeowner will receive an email - in fact, probably several emails over the course of two weeks - encouraging them to vote by clicking on a URL embedded in the email. The homeowner will be taken to a website where their vote will be taken. I do not know but I strongly suspect that most voting happens pretty much immediately upon receiving the email. Or at the last minute ala “Hey, did you remember to vote? Today’s the last day.”

Last year - with no promotional gift cards or yadda yadda - we got about a 33% turnout, which was one of the highest in memory.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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And if the management company doesn't have the email, then what?
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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Put a big dues increase on the ballot and tell homeowners the Board will make the decision based on the vote. You'll get tons of people voting then!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Thad

What needs voting on? No matter the voting method, certain thresholds (as per your docs) have to be met. Be it on Quorum, Covenant, Bylaw changes, etc.
ThadC2 (Florida)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/04/2022 11:36 AM
Thad

What needs voting on? No matter the voting method, certain thresholds (as per your docs) have to be met. Be it on Quorum, Covenant, Bylaw changes, etc.

thanks I am aware of that stuff, my question was not about that. it was about how to get a good turn out. I'd like to stick to the question thanks.
ThadC2 (Florida)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 06/04/2022 10:56 AM
And if the management company doesn't have the email, then what?

then you can start your own thread on that subject. this one is about how to get good turn out.
ThadC2 (Florida)
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Posted By BillD16 on 06/04/2022 10:48 AM
We’re doing electronic (Ie, online) voting for the 2nd year in a row.........
The system that we’re using relies upon our HOA/PMC having a database of homeowner email addresses:
.........
Last year - with no promotional gift cards or yadda yadda - we got about a 33% turnout, which was one of the highest in memory.

thanks, I've thought about going door to door to get email and cell numbers with carrier company info. that way we can txt or email everyone, but afraid I wont' have time since I am traveling a lot during the summer. any reason you think your turnout was soo good? I'd be happy with 33% turn out.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 12:26 PM
Posted By BillD16 on 06/04/2022 10:48 AM
We’re doing electronic (Ie, online) voting for the 2nd year in a row.........
The system that we’re using relies upon our HOA/PMC having a database of homeowner email addresses:
.........
Last year - with no promotional gift cards or yadda yadda - we got about a 33% turnout, which was one of the highest in memory.


thanks, I've thought about going door to door to get email and cell numbers with carrier company info. that way we can txt or email everyone, but afraid I wont' have time since I am traveling a lot during the summer. any reason you think your turnout was soo good? I'd be happy with 33% turn out.

What is your Quorum requirement for an Annual Meeting to conduct business? Ours is 20%.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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JohnC asks good questions, Thank. Quorum in my HOA is 25% of all units.
ThadC2 (Florida)
Posts: 820
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/04/2022 1:50 PM
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 12:26 PM
Posted By BillD16 on 06/04/2022 10:48 AM
We’re doing electronic (Ie, online) voting for the 2nd year in a row.........
The system that we’re using relies upon our HOA/PMC having a database of homeowner email addresses:
.........
Last year - with no promotional gift cards or yadda yadda - we got about a 33% turnout, which was one of the highest in memory.


thanks, I've thought about going door to door to get email and cell numbers with carrier company info. that way we can txt or email everyone, but afraid I wont' have time since I am traveling a lot during the summer. any reason you think your turnout was soo good? I'd be happy with 33% turn out.


What is your Quorum requirement for an Annual Meeting to conduct business? Ours is 20%.

I am aware of what a quorum requirement is and in order to meet it we need to get a good voter turn out, hence the post, please stay on topic.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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For owners w/o email, send or drop off a flyer.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Remember allto give advice to Thad only in the context he wants. I love it when someone tells you how to give advice they asked for but provides little details ... I am done here.

Former HOA President
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 8:46 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 8:22 AM
You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.


the hoa management's lawyer said its legal, my question is not about legality is it about best way to get voter turn out.

WHY is the association taking legal advice from the management company's attorney????
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
A sign is good to remind people.
I wouldn't include the website - people are driving and should pay attention to the road and traffic.
Besides, the website and identifier for electronic voting would be in their notice package.

Short newsletters are good.

ThadC2 (Florida)
Posts: 820
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Posted By MaxB4 on 06/04/2022 10:39 PM
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 8:46 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 8:22 AM
You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.


the hoa management's lawyer said its legal, my question is not about legality is it about best way to get voter turn out.


WHY is the association taking legal advice from the management company's attorney????

you sure do like to get off topic, start your own thread about where to get legal advice from, then. this group has major issues with staying on topic, it's like I open pandoras box of critical side questions every time I post.
ThadC2 (Florida)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 7:41 PM
Remember allto give advice to Thad only in the context he wants. I love it when someone tells you how to give advice they asked for but provides little details ... I am done here.

lol yeah several examples is "little details". you want to control my thread just like you want to control your HOA, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'll call out off topic trolls every time I see them.
ThadC2 (Florida)
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Posted By TimB4 on 06/05/2022 4:28 AM
A sign is good to remind people.
I wouldn't include the website - people are driving and should pay attention to the road and traffic.
Besides, the website and identifier for electronic voting would be in their notice package.
Short newsletters are good.

thank you.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Quote:
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/05/2022 4:51 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 06/04/2022 10:39 PM
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 8:46 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 8:22 AM
You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.


the hoa management's lawyer said its legal, my question is not about legality is it about best way to get voter turn out.


WHY is the association taking legal advice from the management company's attorney????


you sure do like to get off topic, start your own thread about where to get legal advice from, then. this group has major issues with staying on topic, it's like I open pandoras box of critical side questions every time I post.

Who do you think will win the World Series this year?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Bill and Steve have great ideas, but remember, NOTHING is guaranteed. If you have homeowners who don't care about HOA issues of any sort, it won't matter what you do. Nite best to try those suggestions first and see how it goes. Hooefully, you have an option for people who prefer the old fashioned balloting or showing up at the meeting and casting their vote in person.

You mentioned using tablets and going door to door - the vote is supposed to be confidential,so you'd have to set the tablet to where it's on the voting page so people can vote without someone looking over their shoulder and then reset it for the next voter. I suggest having two three available for people who attend in person so the line moves relatively quickly.

All of that said, I think Melissa and Max have a point, even if you think its off topic. Your state law concerning HOA voting CAN make a difference, not to mention your documents (have you even looked at them to see if this style would be permitted?).

And why are you asking the property manager's attorney - he or she doesn't work for you and you don't know how the question was phrased, so the attorney may have been thinking of something entirely different. What will you do if someone sues over this and your response is "well, our property manager asked his/her attorney, who said it was ok."

The reason some of us ask detailed questions like this is because we've learned nothing is totally simple in HOA land - and in a few cases, that lesson was taught the hard way. You said in another conversation that you're new to the board, and there's nothing wrong with trying new things, but first you have to consider how things work so you can identify what needs to be changed. I don't know if you've even discussed this with your colleagues - you're only one vote after all, and all of them could decide this is too complicated for whatever reason and skip the whole thing. that doesn't mean they're "losers" (you used that word in your conversation about establishing rules for the board.)

So go ahead and try this - if it works, great. If not, try something else. It's good to bounce ideas off this website and you can accept, some, or all of what you read. But don't get huffy if someone makes a suggestion you don't agree with, saying it's off topic. This is not an amen corner.

Feel free to ignore all of the above.

PS - if love to see the Cubs or White Sox win the series, but alas, I have a feeling I'll have to be happy they got it done at least once in my lifetime


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MaxB4
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Posted By JohnT38 on 06/05/2022 5:06 AM
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/05/2022 4:51 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 06/04/2022 10:39 PM
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 8:46 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 8:22 AM
You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.


the hoa management's lawyer said its legal, my question is not about legality is it about best way to get voter turn out.


WHY is the association taking legal advice from the management company's attorney????


you sure do like to get off topic, start your own thread about where to get legal advice from, then. this group has major issues with staying on topic, it's like I open pandoras box of critical side questions every time I post.


Who do you think will win the World Series this year?

Anyone but the Dodgers
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Quote:
Posted By MaxB4 on 06/05/2022 7:18 AM
Posted By JohnT38 on 06/05/2022 5:06 AM
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/05/2022 4:51 AM
Posted By MaxB4 on 06/04/2022 10:39 PM
Posted By ThadC2 on 06/04/2022 8:46 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/04/2022 8:22 AM
You need to make sure electronic voting is legal in your state. It also should be written in your rules that electronic voting is allowed. I would suggest make sure to check with the lawyer about that process.


the hoa management's lawyer said its legal, my question is not about legality is it about best way to get voter turn out.


WHY is the association taking legal advice from the management company's attorney????


you sure do like to get off topic, start your own thread about where to get legal advice from, then. this group has major issues with staying on topic, it's like I open pandoras box of critical side questions every time I post.


Who do you think will win the World Series this year?


Anyone but the Dodgers

Or the Yankees...
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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What about the Penquins? Oh that is really off topic... Sorry...

Former HOA President
JustinT5 (Alabama)
Posts: 50
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trolls like to talk about baseball I guess. go ahead show how immature you can be.
It's not just this post, it's every single post someone has to chime in and ask if I've done my homework on the subject, with no substance or history or personal story to back it up. Just throwing it out there, do you know what the hell you are doing?, gets patronizing after a while.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JustinT5 on 06/05/2022 8:21 AM
trolls like to talk about baseball I guess. go ahead show how immature you can be.
It's not just this post, it's every single post someone has to chime in and ask if I've done my homework on the subject, with no substance or history or personal story to back it up. Just throwing it out there, do you know what the hell you are doing?, gets patronizing after a while.

You and Thad are under the misconception that this site is solely for providing answers to your questions. This is incorrect. Look at the top where it says, "...for community leaders to share ideas and learn." This means that a posters question may lead to related conversations and additional questions. If someone is under the illusion that they can dictate how people should respond to their questions then maybe this site isn't for them?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JohnT38 on 06/05/2022 8:58 AM
Posted By JustinT5 on 06/05/2022 8:21 AM
trolls like to talk about baseball I guess. go ahead show how immature you can be.
It's not just this post, it's every single post someone has to chime in and ask if I've done my homework on the subject, with no substance or history or personal story to back it up. Just throwing it out there, do you know what the hell you are doing?, gets patronizing after a while.


You and Thad are under the misconception that this site is solely for providing answers to your questions. This is incorrect. Look at the top where it says, "...for community leaders to share ideas and learn." This means that a posters question may lead to related conversations and additional questions. If someone is under the illusion that they can dictate how people should respond to their questions then maybe this site isn't for them?

Well said.
JustinT5 (Alabama)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 06/05/2022 9:02 AM
Posted By JohnT38 on 06/05/2022 8:58 AM
Posted By JustinT5 on 06/05/2022 8:21 AM
trolls like to talk about baseball I guess. go ahead show how immature you can be.
It's not just this post, it's every single post someone has to chime in and ask if I've done my homework on the subject, with no substance or history or personal story to back it up. Just throwing it out there, do you know what the hell you are doing?, gets patronizing after a while.


You and Thad are under the misconception that this site is solely for providing answers to your questions. This is incorrect. Look at the top where it says, "...for community leaders to share ideas and learn." This means that a posters question may lead to related conversations and additional questions. If someone is under the illusion that they can dictate how people should respond to their questions then maybe this site isn't for them?


Well said.

lol, everyone knows that, there's 2 or 3 on topic posts here and the other 90% are just a waste of time. if this forum wasn't from 1990 and was actually hosted on a current platform, one could just filter out the crap, but it gets really old on almost every single tread to tread through the same people harping about same old stuff. I'd never hire the admins of this forum to make an HOA website cause they can't even bother to update the forum online.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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We like the forum as it is. The admins are great. Sorry you want to know it all and then tell us our knowledge is not worthy. Move on.

Former HOA President
JustinT5 (Alabama)
Posts: 50
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/05/2022 9:49 AM
We like the forum as it is. The admins are great. Sorry you want to know it all and then tell us our knowledge is not worthy. Move on.

lol whatever, never even see an admin here post once.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I still do not see how using a tablet equals electronic voting ... And why the MC attorney?

The admins do post when it's important.

Former HOA President
BillD16 (Texas)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/05/2022 10:11 AM
I still do not see how ‘onliusing a tablet equals electronic voting ...

Just a guess, but the OP may have been thinking of “electronic voting” as it is practiced in many political elections in the USA, where one has to go in to a polling place, but instead of using a scantron form w a #2 pencil or a mechanical mechanism, they use some kind of touch-screen interface to cast their ballot.

For better or worse, in the context of an HOA, when we say “electronic voting” I think we almost always really mean “online voting”. In case I wasn’t clear, I was describing online voting in my earlier response.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Thanks, Bill. I, too, thought Thad meant online voting.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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With Thad, you have to look for the smoking gun. Basically Thad believe that BOD's have to much power. He wants the ability for owners to look over the shoulder of the BOD including voting by owners on any BOD Motions and/or Rules. He also believes most BOD's are entrenched and near impossible to remove/change.
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
Posts: 559
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What actual service/website or procedure are you using to collect the votes? Just a direct email? Surveymonkey?
MarkR21 (North Carolina)
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Posted By AdamL1 on 06/05/2022 9:57 PM
What actual service/website or procedure are you using to collect the votes? Just a direct email? Surveymonkey?

election buddy was written above

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