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JillJ4
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I know there are several forums on this topic already but couldn't find the answer I was looking for. For those of you where pets are allowed in your HOA, how long do you give a homeowner to pick up poo in their own yards before you start fining them? Do you start fining, if poo is not picked up immediately after each time the go potty? Just looking to see what other HOA's rules are.

Thanks!
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JillJ4 on 06/01/2022 6:50 AM
I know there are several forums on this topic already but couldn't find the answer I was looking for. For those of you where pets are allowed in your HOA, how long do you give a homeowner to pick up poo in their own yards before you start fining them? Do you start fining, if poo is not picked up immediately after each time the go potty? Just looking to see what other HOA's rules are.

Thanks!

Unless dog poop included an embedded timer how would you know how long it had been there? Trying to go by a timeframe would be a nightmare. We specified that it should be picked up immediately and disposed of in one of our poop containers or in their trash.
JillJ4
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That is true :-)
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JillJ4 on 06/01/2022 7:01 AM
That is true :-)

I've got a 110 pound Lab/Hound mix that leaves behind cow sized patties. I adopted him and the first few times I had to pick up after him I thought I was going to puke. If I hadn't picked it up everybody in the HOA would have known who the culprit was.

On a serious note we had a problem with owners not picking up in the common areas near the pool and clubhouse. We threatened, via email and regular mail, to make everyone register their dog and then use a doggie DNA service to identify the poop's owner. For the most part the threat worked and the problem subsided.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
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This isn't something that is enforced at all in the association I manage. People's backyards are fenced; it would be impossible to see dog poop in them without trespassing. And in front yards, it would only be visible from the sidewalk and nobody has time to walk past every single house looking for poop and gauging how old it might be.
LoriM15 (Florida)
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In our community we do not force owners to pick up after their dogs on their own property. We do enforce it on common property.

It may be unsightly and slightly unsanitary to leave the dog poop on their lawn but I don't know if it really violates any specific rules. You might try sending a courtesy letter sayingn neighbors have complained and could they please pick up.

Even if you send a violation for this, I'm not sure this is one you could win in court.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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If the yard is fenced in and in the back why bother? If it was in other yards or in front common area then have an issue. My own yard why care? I can step in it a I want.

I used to try to train my dogs to poop in the former President yard. They peed enough to kill a bush... Sometimes revenge is served in small servings of what one dishes out ...

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By LoriM15 on 06/01/2022 8:32 AM
In our community we do not force owners to pick up after their dogs on their own property. We do enforce it on common property.

It may be unsightly and slightly unsanitary to leave the dog poop on their lawn but I don't know if it really violates any specific rules. You might try sending a courtesy letter sayingn neighbors have complained and could they please pick up.

Even if you send a violation for this, I'm not sure this is one you could win in court.

No, but it is a significant health hazard - people could tract in the poo in this own home as well as any other place they step, and the ish also attracts rats. Rats don't pay attention to what's common area vs. a fenced in yard, and they ignore the fences too.

Which is why in most areas, the city and or county can find homeowners if they don't clean up after their pets. One of my mother's neighbors had a dog that would poop on the side of the houses. Even though the area was fenced, that didn't stop the stink of the flies. Eventuslly, my mother got so p.o'ed (see what I did there?), she called the city (which already has a significant rat problem). Inspectors came out, the homeowner got fined - and the dog disappeared some time after that.

So don't think these folks are SOL. It may be they'll have to take time and date stamped photos of Fido doing his, uh, business, and call the city (several times). Or go after them in small claims court. I've even heard of companies that will come through and for a up the poo - add that cost to the assessment and the matter may resolve itself.

You could even do with one fed up homeowner did in Canada - don't remember the city, but she took photos of the dogs as they pooped (with their owners standing there) and posted it on the community website. Some people weren't happy, but the problem was reduced.

As for me, I know I've become the crazy lady on the corner who will come out and politely, but firmly ask the owner to clean up after his/her mutt. Fortunately I haven't been cussed out or shot - I think people are so stunned at being confronted, they don't know what to say, accept the plastic bag and get the help away from there. And walk across the street next time.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
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I have successfully converted a small number of poop leavers to picker uppers by educating them that dog poo does no biodegrade, is not fertilizer and can contain bacteria that cause xyz.

There are several kids in my neighborhood that offer poop scoop services too, and they (along with any kid-run service) are allowed to advertise for free in newsletters and on the bulletin board.

SteveH35 (Washington)
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Posted By BarbaraT1 on 06/01/2022 9:45 AM
I have successfully converted a small number of poop leavers to picker uppers by educating them that dog poo does no biodegrade, is not fertilizer and can contain bacteria that cause xyz.

There are several kids in my neighborhood that offer poop scoop services too, and they (along with any kid-run service) are allowed to advertise for free in newsletters and on the bulletin board.


Way to go Barbara! The planet needs you to pick up your dog’s poop: https://www.popsci.com/environment/dog-poop-pollution/
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Actually, dog excrement does biodegrade. However, it can take up to 9 weeks (or more) for it to completely happen.
The issue is that the bacteria and pathogens are still a concern as they will be released into the soil, air and water.

See:

How Long Does It Take For Dog Poop To Decompose? From dog leash pro.

Per some articles, the EPA has actually identified it as a pollutant (but I couldn't find the actual epa document reporting this)

See:

Parasites and Poop: The Importance of Picking Up After Your Dog from Associated Veterinary Medical Center
MikeB23 (Louisiana)
Posts: 109
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Our HOA provides the yard service. If there is dog feces in your yard then your yard will not be mowed. Has been pretty effective for the last 13 years.
MikeB23 (Louisiana)
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Our HOA provides the yard service. If there is dog feces in your yard then your yard will not be mowed. Has been pretty effective for the last 13 years.
BillD16 (Texas)
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Posted By JillJ4 on 06/01/2022 6:50 AM
I know there are several forums on this topic already but couldn't find the answer I was looking for. For those of you where pets are allowed in your HOA, how long do you give a homeowner to pick up poo in their own yards before you start fining them? Do you start fining, if poo is not picked up immediately after each time the go potty? Just looking to see what other HOA's rules are.

I don’t believe my HOA has ever had to deal with this. But my off-the-cuff opinion is that if someone can walk or drive past the property and see dog poop? That’s worth a “friendly” violation notice. I wouldn’t fine anyone unless it became a pattern.

Just MHO, but pet waste is something that needs to be handled immediately or with minimal delay.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
ThadC2 (Florida)
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AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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Posted By BillD16 on 06/07/2022 10:35 AM
Posted By JillJ4 on 06/01/2022 6:50 AM
I know there are several forums on this topic already but couldn't find the answer I was looking for. For those of you where pets are allowed in your HOA, how long do you give a homeowner to pick up poo in their own yards before you start fining them? Do you start fining, if poo is not picked up immediately after each time the go potty? Just looking to see what other HOA's rules are.


I don’t believe my HOA has ever had to deal with this. But my off-the-cuff opinion is that if someone can walk or drive past the property and see dog poop? That’s worth a “friendly” violation notice. I wouldn’t fine anyone unless it became a pattern.

Just MHO, but pet waste is something that needs to be handled immediately or with minimal delay.

BillD

First, there's generally city codes about pet waste duty. Next, this could easily fall into "unsightly" and/or "nuisance" categories of the HOA's CCR's.

Of course, follow the normal procedures to issue notices and violations and due process.

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