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If you have supporting documentation against noisy neighbor & they're now complaining about you slamming your front door, can this be a hindrance?

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DanielleG4 (Florida)
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I own my downstairs condo & have been complaining about the tenant above me that’s been renting for about two years. Beginning of March this year, the mgmt office sent a hearing notice to her, allowing her to plea her case. Depending on results, they’ll fine (or won’t fine) the owner (her landlord). So far I have 3 reports, two with security documenting her being a nuisance and I had police come by. The police knocked on her door and I have documentation proving she’s doing it out of spite (video proving she’s keeping tv on when not home and camera footage confirming she’s not home at time of recording). The Mgr suggested that I shouldn’t attend the hearing to avoid any kind of confrontation with the tenant. But I have more documentation outside of 3 recent reports that hopefully work against her and I really want to give my side of the story. I was frustrated before because there was no resolution I took matters into my own hands to get even but she hasn’t complained (the security/police/HOA mgr would have told me). Today she approached me for the second time, asking me to stop slamming my front door(not the retaliation I previously mentioned). I cursed and she closed her door before I could say anything then opened her door again & I shut her up & she left again.

I decided to call her landlord yesterday because I found it odd that after she got the first warning last yr and the hearing notice recently, he wouldn’t have tried to give her any kind of warning. The last time I spoke to him was almost 2 years ago when the last tenant moved out and he replaced the carpeting, I haven’t reached out to him since because his last words were there’s nothing else he can do. However, there were never any warnings sent to the last tenant, the office even said a hearing notice has never been sent for a noise violation this would be the first time. When I told the landlord this, he said he had no idea of any of these updates. Mind you, the office told me that owners are always copied on any communication that is sent to their tenant. He wanted all the documentation that I have sent to the office, their contact info (which he should already have) & would warn the tenant. When I told him about the hearing, he sounded kinda shocked & wanted more info.

I don't see the point in closing my front door mindfully, i'm frustrated hence she's continuing to play her tv loud everyday even though police knocked on her door recently & her landlord said he would talk to her. Assuming she doesn't have documentation of me being noisy intentionally & has only complained about me slamming my front door, would the committee frown upon slamming doors in comparison to the reports I have of her?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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We can't tell you what the committee is going to think or feel. We don't live there. That will be up to them to decide. That is the process. Present your case and wait for the results. That is all can be done. The landlord may be powerless to do anything against their tenant. If it's not in the lease it counts as a violation and they are paying their rent, the landlord can do nothing. The HOA can only fine the landlord.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Every time I read another chapter in this sage, I think "I'm REALLY glad I'm not on the board and having to deal with this ish!"

At this point I might be inclined to lock you, the tenant and the landlord in a room, lock the door and say "We're going to handle this like the Catholic Church does when it elects a new pope - you don't come out until you fix this and every day, the amount of food you get will be reduced to where you're only getting water and bread!"

As Melissa said, no one can predict how anyone will react to your case - prepare the thing as best you can, make your case, then sit down, listen to the other side and let the board make a decision. And start thinking of what you might settle for (e.g. maybe the landlord can install soundproofing in that unit). A compromise is possible - it may be you simply don't want to accept that possibility. Unfortunately, we don't always get what we want, and in this case, I suspect you really want - to get rid of the tenant. Even if that happened, who's to say you won't start on the next one?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I have a rule of thumb. When somebody complains repeatedly about the same thing but refuses to take the steps that would fix the problem, I have to conclude that they enjoy it and I leave them to it.
DanielleG4 (Florida)
Posts: 131
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Soundproofing isn’t an option on the landlords side. He replaced the carpeting when the last tenant moved out and he didn’t soundproof it because the hoa indicated the carpeting was enough to meet code.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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The fact that you have retaliated by "getting even" and stooped to your neighbors level tells me that neither of you can be trusted to paint an accurate and objective overview of what has happened. I would tell you both to grow up and have a nice day.
DanielleG4 (Florida)
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As in im not taking the necessary steps? What else can I do from my end beside legal action? There is nothing else or someone would have suggested it by now
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By DanielleG4 on 05/19/2022 6:24 AM
As in im not taking the necessary steps? What else can I do from my end beside legal action? There is nothing else or someone would have suggested it by now

Exactly. So why do you keep posting about it?
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
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Posted By DanielleG4 on 05/19/2022 6:24 AM
As in im not taking the necessary steps? What else can I do from my end beside legal action? There is nothing else or someone would have suggested it by now

Go to therapy. You are obsessed with this woman and have been stalking and harassing her for years. You are paranoid. I’ve also seen your posts on Reddit and it’s very clear that you have issues. You are not behaving rationally. Get help before a court orders you to.
AugustinD
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Posted By DanielleG4 on 05/18/2022 8:24 PM
would the committee frown upon slamming doors in comparison to the reports I have of her?
If I were on the committee, I would not be happy that you had responded in kind to some extent. Still, if it's clear both of you are being noise to some degree or another, the outcome should be that all need to quiet down.

I am taking the OP at her word that the main instigator is the neighbor. It is rare that I would ever support a solution such as telling two kids or adults who were disagreeing to sit down in a locked room, and do not come out until they have made peace. First, when it is clear that one person is by far the bigger bully and jerk, this will be perceived as unfair, which won't go towards supporting peace. Second, IME this never works.

Two folks in a dispute do often learn to just keep their distance from each other and not, ya know, poke away at each other.

I advise finding a pleasant distraction and just waiting and see what the hearing yields. All this speculation can mess up a person's psyche.
DanielleG4 (Florida)
Posts: 131
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I’m assuming here but I’m hoping police reports and security reports stand out more vs her just complaining about me slamming doors. It isn’t a fair comparison, slamming a door a few times a day isn’t as consistent as hearing someone’s tv play loudly or hearing guests for hours at a time
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/19/2022 6:46 AM
Posted By DanielleG4 on 05/19/2022 6:24 AM
As in im not taking the necessary steps? What else can I do from my end beside legal action? There is nothing else or someone would have suggested it by now


Go to therapy. You are obsessed with this woman and have been stalking and harassing her for years. You are paranoid. I’ve also seen your posts on Reddit and it’s very clear that you have issues. You are not behaving rationally. Get help before a court orders you to.

Wow, I had no idea about the reddit posts. My favorite was her describing how she is using a ceiling thumper for 20 minutes a day because the "c**t deserves revenge". I am simply shocked how far this feud has gone.

This is actually very sad.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It is sad and pathetic at this point. I can no longer keep repeating myself. Plus I am pretty sure they keep posting the same thing over and over again as if going to get a different answer. It then always turns into a ??? Situation. I have other things to pay attention to

Let the HOA do it's job. After that live with the answer or move. No one is interested anymore

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/19/2022 7:32 AM
Posted By DanielleG4 on 05/18/2022 8:24 PM
would the committee frown upon slamming doors in comparison to the reports I have of her?
If I were on the committee, I would not be happy that you had responded in kind to some extent. Still, if it's clear both of you are being noise to some degree or another, the outcome should be that all need to quiet down.

I am taking the OP at her word that the main instigator is the neighbor. It is rare that I would ever support a solution such as telling two kids or adults who were disagreeing to sit down in a locked room, and do not come out until they have made peace. First, when it is clear that one person is by far the bigger bully and jerk, this will be perceived as unfair, which won't go towards supporting peace. Second, IME this never works.

Two folks in a dispute do often learn to just keep their distance from each other and not, ya know, poke away at each other.

I advise finding a pleasant distraction and just waiting and see what the hearing yields. All this speculation can mess up a person's psyche.



You may be right, but remember, we haven't heard from the other side. I've learned from my career that when people complain, they tell you what they want you to hear. Nothing wrong with that, but as my father said, there's your side, my side and the truth. The complainant can be right as rain, but often the truth lands somewhere in the middle. And sometimes it really is BS and no one wants to come out and say so.

In my opinion, this is a neighbor-neighbor dispute that has blown up like the monster in The Suicide Squad (or the Blob). In our community, our board would have stayed the hell away from this unless other neighbors came forward with similar complaints against this tenant. Since this board is now involved, they may as well see it to its conclusion. Hope it works out for everyone - and I really do mean that.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
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Posted By SheliaH on 05/19/2022 8:28 AM
I've learned from my career that when people complain, they tell you what they want you to hear.
I agree. Though I'd rather ask questions than, say, just accuse someone outright of lying. The latter seems to happen a lot here.

The issue that comes up for me in threads with an OP like this person is: "What sort of online response might actually help the person posting?"

Just saying: Here in the sandbox, I think the greatest likelihood of actually helping is going to come from either (a) responding calmly, concisely and substantively to the person's concerns; or (2) maybe via a mix of people playing good cop and bad cop.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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If you asked me how I would have handled it in my HOA? I would have the owner complaining come to the board meeting. State their peace. We would tell them we would investigate on our terms. You did just throw it into our sandbox after all. We would send a notice the the landlord/member/owner (same person) and tell them about the complaint. If we found it to be the truth about being loud, we would verify in our rules what actions we could take like fining the owner Of we found it a neighbor against neighbor then tell them to call the police. It is no longer an HOA issue if it does not disturb any other member.

After that, it is a duel at 10 paces at noon central time in the common area. We are out of the dispute after that.

Former HOA President
BancsS
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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/19/2022 7:59 AM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/19/2022 6:46 AM
Posted By DanielleG4 on 05/19/2022 6:24 AM
As in im not taking the necessary steps? What else can I do from my end beside legal action? There is nothing else or someone would have suggested it by now


Go to therapy. You are obsessed with this woman and have been stalking and harassing her for years. You are paranoid. I’ve also seen your posts on Reddit and it’s very clear that you have issues. You are not behaving rationally. Get help before a court orders you to.


Wow, I had no idea about the reddit posts. My favorite was her describing how she is using a ceiling thumper for 20 minutes a day because the "c**t deserves revenge". I am simply shocked how far this feud has gone.

This is actually very sad.

It is sad. Never a good idea to approach a problem with retaliation. Be a mature person and realize that you are part of the problem and need to STOP. Take the high road and maybe the neighbor will follow suit. She may be extra noisy because of your reaction to the noise. Some people just want to be miserable and make others miserable too.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By BancsS on 05/19/2022 10:14 AM
Posted By JohnT38 on 05/19/2022 7:59 AM
... snip ...

Wow, I had no idea about the reddit posts. My favorite was her describing how she is using a ceiling thumper for 20 minutes a day because the "c**t deserves revenge". I am simply shocked how far this feud has gone.

This is actually very sad.


It is sad. Never a good idea to approach a problem with retaliation. Be a mature person and realize that you are part of the problem and need to STOP. Take the high road and maybe the neighbor will follow suit. She may be extra noisy because of your reaction to the noise. Some people just want to be miserable and make others miserable too.

Not only is it sad, the OP is in fact harassing the upstairs neighbor and may find herself called into a hearing and fined. And if she's calling the landlord, she may be harassing that person as well.

Not to be snarky, but there's one landlord who may be thinking that real estate investing might not have been the best idea ...
AugustinD
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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/19/2022 7:59 AM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/19/2022 6:46 AM
I’ve also seen your posts on Reddit and it’s very clear that you have issues. You are not behaving rationally. Get help before a court orders you to.


Wow, I had no idea about the reddit posts. My favorite was her describing how she is using a ceiling thumper for 20 minutes a day because the "c**t deserves revenge". I am simply shocked how far this feud has gone.

This is actually very sad.
Yeah? I think you two bringing gossip from another forum (the ridiculous reddit) to hoatalk says more about your characters than it does the OP's.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/19/2022 11:13 AM
Posted By JohnT38 on 05/19/2022 7:59 AM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/19/2022 6:46 AM
I’ve also seen your posts on Reddit and it’s very clear that you have issues. You are not behaving rationally. Get help before a court orders you to.


Wow, I had no idea about the reddit posts. My favorite was her describing how she is using a ceiling thumper for 20 minutes a day because the "c**t deserves revenge". I am simply shocked how far this feud has gone.

This is actually very sad.
Yeah? I think you two bringing gossip from another forum (the ridiculous reddit) to hoatalk says more about your characters than it does the OP's.

When I quoted exactly what she said how is that gossip? Would you prefer a link so that you can see HER OWN words and the other things she admits to doing in order to punish this neighbor? Sometimes your belief that you have to take the OP at their own word is B.S. when the evidence indicates otherwise. If you want to continue to be an enabler knock yourself out.

On another note, reddit has some excellent forums on things like history, home improvements, science, etc. Yes it also has some bad stuff just like most social media sites but I wouldn't expect you to agree with that since you have 'officially' ruled it as a ridiculous site.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Augustine Al's refuses to recognize that this is the same poster who has posted this same issue on here multiple times. All giving the same story over and over again except leaving out previous statements.

Look it up. This is the same poster you said it was not. It is just they keep re phrasing the question as if no one would recognize them.

Former HOA President
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/19/2022 11:13 AM
Posted By JohnT38 on 05/19/2022 7:59 AM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/19/2022 6:46 AM
I’ve also seen your posts on Reddit and it’s very clear that you have issues. You are not behaving rationally. Get help before a court orders you to.


Wow, I had no idea about the reddit posts. My favorite was her describing how she is using a ceiling thumper for 20 minutes a day because the "c**t deserves revenge". I am simply shocked how far this feud has gone.

This is actually very sad.
Yeah? I think you two bringing gossip from another forum (the ridiculous reddit) to hoatalk says more about your characters than it does the OP's.

She is a prolific poster there and it’s very clear that she is disturbed. You and anyone else who takes her seriously is enabling unhealthy behavior. Hopefully it won’t end in tragedy.
AugustinD
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 05/19/2022 11:44 AM
This is the same poster you said it was not
The poster claiming to be involved in multiple lawsuits is JaneL2.

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