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AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
Posts: 559
Posted:
Curious what your thoughts are about this. Our election is coming up this week. I am running for the Board....its no secret that I'm not a fan of our current leadership and have submitted a blurb to be printed, as normal. However, the President is in writing saying he will not publish my bio/blurb. Its clear he's suppressing information that goes against him. What can I do? This seems like election tampering.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Well did you write your blurb about other people? It is about you and not what others do. Your running your own race not by bad mouthing others.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Adam

If the blurb is negative toward the existing association, then I also would not allow it to be published but I would have to read it first. Care to publish it here?.
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AdamL1 on 05/16/2022 10:30 AM
Curious what your thoughts are about this. Our election is coming up this week. I am running for the Board....its no secret that I'm not a fan of our current leadership and have submitted a blurb to be printed, as normal. However, the President is in writing saying he will not publish my bio/blurb. Its clear he's suppressing information that goes against him. What can I do? This seems like election tampering.

So long as your information conforms to the written requirements, you should shout from the rooftops about what's happening. Going politely from door to door with a one-pager works well.
BTW, this situation occurred in our community a little over 3 years ago. The management company was complicit in refusing to publish a candidate's information. The situation was eventually resolved in favor of publishing everything that matched the written guidelines, but it was only resolved by persistence.

Regards,
Steve
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AdamL1 on 05/16/2022 10:30 AM
Curious what your thoughts are about this. Our election is coming up this week. I am running for the Board....its no secret that I'm not a fan of our current leadership and have submitted a blurb to be printed, as normal. However, the President is in writing saying he will not publish my bio/blurb. Its clear he's suppressing information that goes against him. What can I do? This seems like election tampering.
I do not have a label for this other than it should not be happening. I think you'd have to lawyer up to stop it.

I do not buy that a candidate's constructive, fact-based written criticism of how a HOA is run should disqualify the written criticism from being circulated.

Brutal candor: These guys hate you. They're rogue-ish. They're ill-read. And they have all the power. Hear me? They. Have. All. The. Power. When one is in a situation like this, reason will not work. Hear me? Reason. Will. Not. Work.
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
Posts: 559
Posted:
FYI, here's what I wrote:

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I am interested in driving back towards a clearer and uncomplicated vision of how our HOA should be run: fair and balanced application of our CCR's, fiscal responsibility, clear and simple communication, level-headed leadership, peaceful, drama-free, and a general tone and culture of building a mutually supportive and vibrant neighborly community. HOA management should be boring and uneventful, not contentious.

These are several priority topics that our HOA should focus on, I hope you agree as well:
- Reverse the current policy of removing duck nesting boxes
- Re-establish prudent leadership and fiscal responsibility to reduce legal expenditures, reduce annual dues (to what is appropriate).
- Provide the Membership with full and ongoing disclosures of records, financials, fiscal decisions, minutes and HOA expenditures, preferably through a website portal.
- All actions taken to be within the scope of and cited in our Governing Documents and State Law.
- Use our Management Company for management, not enforcement or member discipline.
- Re-establish a proper relationship with the Management Company that serves the members and HOA properly without conflict.
- Create neighborly conflict resolution with conversations and openness without requiring threats of litigation.
- Require Committees to use proper interpretation of CCRs and state law, applied uniformly rather than selectively, and without confrontational enforcement efforts.
- Comply with prior agreements between our HOA and agencies serving the Conservation area, the Greenbelt, the various creeks and other agreements that serve our community, which have been neglected over the years.
- Improve community social activities for adults and children through encouraging more vibrant Social Committee planning autonomy.
- Implement Conflict of Interest disclosure requirements for Board and Committee members.
- Promote an inclusive community ethos while encouraging young and newer Member families to flourish and their children to prosper alongside established Member families.
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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Good advice from everyone. It's an election, and for some people, if you don't throw some mud or horse dooky at your opponent, you're doing it wrong. Have you not noticed what's going on in your city council, state legislature, PTA and especially Congress?

Your previous conversations indicate there's been bad blood between you and the board for some time, and you want people to replace at least one of them with you, and perhaps other like-minded people. What made you think this would be easy - why would the other side just lie down and let this happen without a fight?

What to do? You could mail your bio to everyone, but that may be pricy and you can't stick it into mailboxes without postage. You'll have to do this the old-fashioned way - walk around the neighborhood and stick it in the doorway or hand it to the resident if they're outside. That would be a great way to talk up people and they can put a face with your name. It takes longer, but ultimately, that's how you build relationships.
You have a week and if you go back and forth with the president you'll run out of time. Put on some good walking shoes and get going. Good luck!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AdamL1 on 05/16/2022 11:01 AM
FYI, here's what I wrote:

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I am interested in driving back towards a clearer and uncomplicated vision of how our HOA should be run: fair and balanced application of our CCR's, fiscal responsibility, clear and simple communication, level-headed leadership, peaceful, drama-free, and a general tone and culture of building a mutually supportive and vibrant neighborly community. HOA management should be boring and uneventful, not contentious.

These are several priority topics that our HOA should focus on, I hope you agree as well:
- Reverse the current policy of removing duck nesting boxes
- Re-establish prudent leadership and fiscal responsibility to reduce legal expenditures, reduce annual dues (to what is appropriate).
- Provide the Membership with full and ongoing disclosures of records, financials, fiscal decisions, minutes and HOA expenditures, preferably through a website portal.
- All actions taken to be within the scope of and cited in our Governing Documents and State Law.
- Use our Management Company for management, not enforcement or member discipline.
- Re-establish a proper relationship with the Management Company that serves the members and HOA properly without conflict.
- Create neighborly conflict resolution with conversations and openness without requiring threats of litigation.
- Require Committees to use proper interpretation of CCRs and state law, applied uniformly rather than selectively, and without confrontational enforcement efforts.
- Comply with prior agreements between our HOA and agencies serving the Conservation area, the Greenbelt, the various creeks and other agreements that serve our community, which have been neglected over the years.
- Improve community social activities for adults and children through encouraging more vibrant Social Committee planning autonomy.
- Implement Conflict of Interest disclosure requirements for Board and Committee members.
- Promote an inclusive community ethos while encouraging young and newer Member families to flourish and their children to prosper alongside established Member families.
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I think you did a great job. Now get out there and stuff this message in every door so people will see it!
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AdamL1 on 05/16/2022 11:01 AM
FYI, here's what I wrote:

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I am interested in driving back towards a clearer and uncomplicated vision of how our HOA should be run: fair and balanced application of our CCR's, fiscal responsibility, clear and simple communication, level-headed leadership, peaceful, drama-free, and a general tone and culture of building a mutually supportive and vibrant neighborly community. HOA management should be boring and uneventful, not contentious.

These are several priority topics that our HOA should focus on, I hope you agree as well:
- Reverse the current policy of removing duck nesting boxes
- Re-establish prudent leadership and fiscal responsibility to reduce legal expenditures, reduce annual dues (to what is appropriate).
- Provide the Membership with full and ongoing disclosures of records, financials, fiscal decisions, minutes and HOA expenditures, preferably through a website portal.
- All actions taken to be within the scope of and cited in our Governing Documents and State Law.
- Use our Management Company for management, not enforcement or member discipline.
- Re-establish a proper relationship with the Management Company that serves the members and HOA properly without conflict.
- Create neighborly conflict resolution with conversations and openness without requiring threats of litigation.
- Require Committees to use proper interpretation of CCRs and state law, applied uniformly rather than selectively, and without confrontational enforcement efforts.
- Comply with prior agreements between our HOA and agencies serving the Conservation area, the Greenbelt, the various creeks and other agreements that serve our community, which have been neglected over the years.
- Improve community social activities for adults and children through encouraging more vibrant Social Committee planning autonomy.
- Implement Conflict of Interest disclosure requirements for Board and Committee members.
- Promote an inclusive community ethos while encouraging young and newer Member families to flourish and their children to prosper alongside established Member families.
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People who who would hate this most is not board members, but HOA management and HOA lawyers.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
It's a pretty aggressive statement. I had an election once where one of the candidates turned in a 17 point manifesto with all kind of promises, including dissolving the association entirely. It was included in the election packet and he won a seat.... then resigned less than a month later when he realized he couldn't fulfill any of his promises without votes from the other board members or the membership.

The last election I conducted had three candidates who openly campaigned on firing me (nothing personal, just to save money) and I had to stand there and smile while they explained how useless I am. None of them won, but two of them apologized to me afterward, citing heat of the campaign. One of them even acknowledged that once they had a thorough understanding of what I do, they realized I was not a waste of money at all. Which was nice but damage was done that cannot be undone.

I caution board candidates not to set up the board as the enemy, because that sentiment won't go away when individual board members do.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Should it be done, no. Will it be done, yes. MC's and and lawyers will bless that type of action all the time. It forces the opponent's hand and they know they won't do anything.
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/16/2022 12:26 PM
It's a pretty aggressive statement. I had an election once where one of the candidates turned in a 17 point manifesto with all kind of promises, including dissolving the association entirely. It was included in the election packet and he won a seat.... then resigned less than a month later when he realized he couldn't fulfill any of his promises without votes from the other board members or the membership.

The last election I conducted had three candidates who openly campaigned on firing me (nothing personal, just to save money) and I had to stand there and smile while they explained how useless I am. None of them won, but two of them apologized to me afterward, citing heat of the campaign. One of them even acknowledged that once they had a thorough understanding of what I do, they realized I was not a waste of money at all. Which was nice but damage was done that cannot be undone.

I caution board candidates not to set up the board as the enemy, because that sentiment won't go away when individual board members do.

Barbara,

While I empathize with your account of people campaigning without knowing what they didn't know, there's also a pattern of marginalization of homeowners who know *EXACTLY* what's going on. These homeowners are not the enemy. They're not meddling. They're keenly interested in governance that's transparent and honest.

Many elected volunteers would rather just keep doing things *their way* regardless of whether what they're doing is in the best interest of the CIC (or even legal). There are undoubtedly some great CAMs out there, but I've never experienced one who will step up and step in to *TELL* a board when they're off-track and strictly abide by the CAMICB CMCA Standards of Conduct:

Be knowledgeable, act, and encourage clients to act in accordance with any and all federal, state, and local laws applicable to community association management and operations.
Be knowledgeable, comply and encourage clients to comply with the applicable governing documents, policies and procedures of the Client Association(s) to the extent permitted by that Client.


Regards,
Steve
SarahV4 (California)
Posts: 29
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/16/2022 12:26 PM
It's a pretty aggressive statement. I had an election once where one of the candidates turned in a 17 point manifesto with all kind of promises, including dissolving the association entirely. It was included in the election packet and he won a seat.... then resigned less than a month later when he realized he couldn't fulfill any of his promises without votes from the other board members or the membership.

The last election I conducted had three candidates who openly campaigned on firing me (nothing personal, just to save money) and I had to stand there and smile while they explained how useless I am. None of them won, but two of them apologized to me afterward, citing heat of the campaign. One of them even acknowledged that once they had a thorough understanding of what I do, they realized I was not a waste of money at all. Which was nice but damage was done that cannot be undone.

I caution board candidates not to set up the board as the enemy, because that sentiment won't go away when individual board members do.

I agree with this. How do you plan to get this done, especially if you are a minority voice on the board? Also, you have ~10 "focus" items. None of what you wrote is bad, but you might consider splitting it into ideals/things you'll advocate for, and concrete actions you alone can take.

What is the controversy about duck nesting, and can you bring a proposal to address it? If it is just a difference of opinion between members/board, will you conduct a community survey (and ensure a wide sample size is taken) and show the remaining members of the board that the community is in support of duck nesting? Or if there is some reason ducks are a nuisance, will you bring a solution?

Legal expenditures are tough, and not being part of the executive sessions where they are discussed, it is hard to know if they are needed to protect the community. But, you could say that you will advocate for all other possible steps to resolve disputes, prior to voting for legal action. you will be required to act as a fiduciary, and work for the best interest of the association. Sometimes that does involve litigation, sometimes it doesn't.

What specifically are you going to do to promote an inclusive community? Starting out with a low-key attack on the board's current action is actually likely to incite more drama and division. You can have more power from within. You can say that you were bring forward a proposal to do X, or you will vote for things that align with Y. Just stating things that you value is not very compelling to an informed voter. (but, most voters won't be informed, so maybe this will work. It just goes against your statement of minimizing drama and creating inclusivity)
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveH35 on 05/16/2022 12:52 PM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/16/2022 12:26 PM
It's a pretty aggressive statement. I had an election once where one of the candidates turned in a 17 point manifesto with all kind of promises, including dissolving the association entirely. It was included in the election packet and he won a seat.... then resigned less than a month later when he realized he couldn't fulfill any of his promises without votes from the other board members or the membership.

The last election I conducted had three candidates who openly campaigned on firing me (nothing personal, just to save money) and I had to stand there and smile while they explained how useless I am. None of them won, but two of them apologized to me afterward, citing heat of the campaign. One of them even acknowledged that once they had a thorough understanding of what I do, they realized I was not a waste of money at all. Which was nice but damage was done that cannot be undone.

I caution board candidates not to set up the board as the enemy, because that sentiment won't go away when individual board members do.


Barbara,

While I empathize with your account of people campaigning without knowing what they didn't know, there's also a pattern of marginalization of homeowners who know *EXACTLY* what's going on. These homeowners are not the enemy. They're not meddling. They're keenly interested in governance that's transparent and honest.

Many elected volunteers would rather just keep doing things *their way* regardless of whether what they're doing is in the best interest of the CIC (or even legal). There are undoubtedly some great CAMs out there, but I've never experienced one who will step up and step in to *TELL* a board when they're off-track and strictly abide by the CAMICB CMCA Standards of Conduct:

Be knowledgeable, act, and encourage clients to act in accordance with any and all federal, state, and local laws applicable to community association management and operations.
Be knowledgeable, comply and encourage clients to comply with the applicable governing documents, policies and procedures of the Client Association(s) to the extent permitted by that Client.


Regards,
Steve

Well now you have!

My unwillingness to participate in election fraud, insurance fraud and assorted other wrongdoing is why my once-rising star fizzled out at a large, national management company. Can't have someone like that as a director, what if she encouraged other managers to do the same!

You're absolutely right that there are incompetent boards, corrupt boards, lazy boards, and everything in between. But I am a pragmatic person. A board can't change direction if only one person wants to row that way. Candidates need to figure out how to work with others to accomplish their goals and shots fired isn't a great start.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
What Adam should have learned from this site is that if you intend to go it alone, be the Lone Ranger, you will fail, every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

If you put together a slate of candidates, your message will resonate with people. Don't EVER promise something you can't deliver.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
First, Adam do your Bylaws or state states require that the HOA distribute your flyer? In CA if the HOA distributes bios about one candidate, it must about all. If your HOA isn't required, that just isn't an issue.

As others suggest, door-to-door is your VERY best approach. IMO, however, your flyer is way too long. Many owners will NOT read it. You must pare it down and then use different fonts & colors to capture attention. However much duck nesting boxes interest you, I do NOT think it should be near the top of your flyer.

I am interested in driving Towards a clear and uncomplicated vision of how our COMMUNITY should be run: fair and balanced application of our CCR's, fiscal responsibility, clear and simple communication, level-headed leadership, and a general tone and culture of building a mutually supportive and vibrant neighborly community. HOA GOVERNANCE? should be boring and uneventful, not contentious.

These are several priority topics that our COMMUNITY NEEDS to focus on, I hope you agree as well:

- Re-establish prudent leadership and fiscal responsibility to reduce legal expenditures AND to? reduce annual dues (to what is appropriate).
- Provide the Membership with full and ongoing disclosures of records, financials, fiscal decisions, minutes and HOA expenditures, ON a website portal.
- All actions will be within the scope of and cited in our Governing Documents and State Law INCLUDING COMMITTEE ACTIVITIES
- LET OUR MANAGEment company manage.
- Re-establish a proper relationship with the Management Company that serves the members and HOA properly without conflict. [Too vague]
- Comply with prior agreements between our HOA and agencies serving the Conservation Area, the Greenbelt, the various creeks and other agreements that serve our community, which have been neglected over the years.
- Reverse the current policy of removing duck nesting boxes
- Improve community social activities for adults and children through encouraging vibrant Social Committee planning autonomy.
- Implement Conflict of Interest disclosure requirements for Board and Committee members. [I don't think this helps you, Adam]
- Promote an inclusive community ethos while encouraging young and newer Member families and their children to flourish alongside established Members' families.

So just some quick suggestions. Close by asking owners for their votes.

You must take Max's words to heart: "What Adam should have learned from this site is that if you intend to go it alone, be the Lone Ranger, you will fail, every day of the week..." Tell us, Adam: do you have any supporters??
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/16/2022 1:05 PM

Well now you have!

My unwillingness to participate in election fraud, insurance fraud and assorted other wrongdoing is why my once-rising star fizzled out at a large, national management company. Can't have someone like that as a director, what if she encouraged other managers to do the same!

Barbara, it would be fantastic to do an interview or blog if you're ever interested...
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveH35 on 05/16/2022 2:56 PM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/16/2022 1:05 PM

Well now you have!

My unwillingness to participate in election fraud, insurance fraud and assorted other wrongdoing is why my once-rising star fizzled out at a large, national management company. Can't have someone like that as a director, what if she encouraged other managers to do the same!


Barbara, it would be fantastic to do an interview or blog if you're ever interested...

Hear, hear! There are several regulars here who routinely deliver The Good Stuff. Barbara is one of the best of them.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AdamL1 on 05/16/2022 11:01 AM
FYI, here's what I wrote:

===========================================================
I am interested in driving back towards a clearer and uncomplicated vision of how our HOA should be run: fair and balanced application of our CCR's, fiscal responsibility, clear and simple communication, level-headed leadership, peaceful, drama-free, and a general tone and culture of building a mutually supportive and vibrant neighborly community. HOA management should be boring and uneventful, not contentious.

These are several priority topics that our HOA should focus on, I hope you agree as well:
- Reverse the current policy of removing duck nesting boxes
- Re-establish prudent leadership and fiscal responsibility to reduce legal expenditures, reduce annual dues (to what is appropriate).
- Provide the Membership with full and ongoing disclosures of records, financials, fiscal decisions, minutes and HOA expenditures, preferably through a website portal.
- All actions taken to be within the scope of and cited in our Governing Documents and State Law.
- Use our Management Company for management, not enforcement or member discipline.
- Re-establish a proper relationship with the Management Company that serves the members and HOA properly without conflict.
- Create neighborly conflict resolution with conversations and openness without requiring threats of litigation.
- Require Committees to use proper interpretation of CCRs and state law, applied uniformly rather than selectively, and without confrontational enforcement efforts.
- Comply with prior agreements between our HOA and agencies serving the Conservation area, the Greenbelt, the various creeks and other agreements that serve our community, which have been neglected over the years.
- Improve community social activities for adults and children through encouraging more vibrant Social Committee planning autonomy.
- Implement Conflict of Interest disclosure requirements for Board and Committee members.
- Promote an inclusive community ethos while encouraging young and newer Member families to flourish and their children to prosper alongside established Member families.
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Did they say *why* they won’t publish your blurb? Could it simply be because your blurb is too long? When I ran for BOD last year, every candidate had to fill out a standard form, which had 4 lines for “blurbage”. Have you considered writing up a short form of your “campaign planks” and also publishing a longer form at some URL? You could even include the URL in the short form.

While I’m here: my personal experience is that it can be difficult and challenging, but it is *not* impossible for a single Board member to implement Change. I managed to make many “changes for the better” despite being but a single voice. Having you guys as a resource helped a lot. Also: having time to devote to the job plus an acceptance of ‘conflict’ helped a lot.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Quote:
Posted By BillD16 on 05/17/2022 5:49 AM
... snip ...

While I’m here: my personal experience is that it can be difficult and challenging, but it is *not* impossible for a single Board member to implement Change. I managed to make many “changes for the better” despite being but a single voice. Having you guys as a resource helped a lot. Also: having time to devote to the job plus an acceptance of ‘conflict’ helped a lot.

BillD

Just curious: were you able to implement changes with the rest of the board actively fighting you, or was there some nuance here?

I think a very common mistake is that people who want to change things spend at least some time fighting openly with the board, so by the time they're ready to organize their candidacy, they've made themselves into "the enemy" or "the crackpot". It's hard for new ideas to get a fair hearing when they have this baggage.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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Quote:
Posted By SteveH35 on 05/16/2022 2:56 PM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/16/2022 1:05 PM

Well now you have!

My unwillingness to participate in election fraud, insurance fraud and assorted other wrongdoing is why my once-rising star fizzled out at a large, national management company. Can't have someone like that as a director, what if she encouraged other managers to do the same!


Barbara, it would be fantastic to do an interview or blog if you're ever interested...

Sure - but I still have to work in this market so I can't name names.
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/17/2022 7:43 AM
Posted By SteveH35 on 05/16/2022 2:56 PM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 05/16/2022 1:05 PM

Well now you have!

My unwillingness to participate in election fraud, insurance fraud and assorted other wrongdoing is why my once-rising star fizzled out at a large, national management company. Can't have someone like that as a director, what if she encouraged other managers to do the same!


Barbara, it would be fantastic to do an interview or blog if you're ever interested...


Sure - but I still have to work in this market so I can't name names.

Absolutely, we'll keep it anonymous. I'd like to capture the thrust of the industry pressures on managers. Please feel free to connect anytime: [email protected]
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By SteveH35 on 05/16/2022 12:52 PM
There are undoubtedly some great CAMs out there, but I've never experienced one who will step up and step in to *TELL* a board when they're off-track
The three HOA/COA managers who routinely post at HOATalk and whom I can name off the top of my head all have told stories of sticking up for ethics, the covenants and state law. When it comes to covenants and state law, I think they all try to get things just about as right as pie, with the occasional nod to the reality of operating a HOA.

Why doesn't this forum see rogue managers? I'd say because rogue managers have no need to try to get things right. This forum's sample of managers likely suffers from self-selection. Still, at least these three are here for the greater part by far trying to support HOAs/COAs being run per the covenants, law and ethics.

Grist for the mill, maybe.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
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Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 05/17/2022 8:24 AM
Posted By SteveH35 on 05/16/2022 12:52 PM
There are undoubtedly some great CAMs out there, but I've never experienced one who will step up and step in to *TELL* a board when they're off-track
The three HOA/COA managers who routinely post at HOATalk and whom I can name off the top of my head all have told stories of sticking up for ethics, the covenants and state law. When it comes to covenants and state law, I think they all try to get things just about as right as pie, with the occasional nod to the reality of operating a HOA.

Why doesn't this forum see rogue managers? I'd say because rogue managers have no need to try to get things right. This forum's sample of managers likely suffers from self-selection. Still, at least these three are here for the greater part by far trying to support HOAs/COAs being run per the covenants, law and ethics.

Grist for the mill, maybe.

I’ll dare to restate this as an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect: people who are overly confident that they’re doing everything right won’t see the need to participate here.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 05/17/2022 6:36 AM
Posted By BillD16 on 05/17/2022 5:49 AM
... snip ...

While I’m here: my personal experience is that it can be difficult and challenging, but it is *not* impossible for a single Board member to implement Change. I managed to make many “changes for the better” despite being but a single voice. Having you guys as a resource helped a lot. Also: having time to devote to the job plus an acceptance of ‘conflict’ helped a lot.

BillD


Just curious: were you able to implement changes with the rest of the board actively fighting you, or was there some nuance here?

I think a very common mistake is that people who want to change things spend at least some time fighting openly with the board, so by the time they're ready to organize their candidacy, they've made themselves into "the enemy" or "the crackpot". It's hard for new ideas to get a fair hearing when they have this baggage.

It’s a constant matter of improvisation.

One thing: I try to set realistic goals. Ex: there was a planned social event. I asked if they could keep it to under $1000. They brought it in for $1500. My actual goal was that they not spend $4500 on it. I call it a WIN.

I worked for a large blue technology company for 30+ years and so things like teleconferences, discussions via email threads, collaborative document writing, meetings, etc, are things I’ve been doing for decades. And I’m pretty good at them.

And: 1. I am not averse to conflict, and 2. ‘Conflict’ at the HOA level is like soft fluffy cotton candy compared to the stuff I experienced in corporate life. At least two people - including a PM - decided they’d rather quit than work with me.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Yes, we have maybe three posters that are managers and/or owe management companies. Not a real good cross section of "industry experts". HOATalk.com boosts of 45,000 community leaders "learning and sharing ideas", yet there are only maybe 10 posters here. Not a real good cross section of "community leaders"

I am afraid that the biggest culprits in this business is the people who put documents in place to from HOA's, lawyers, and then, right after them, wanna be lawyers who think everything is resolved by ligation. Been doing this for over13 years and outside of small claims to collect a debt, have never been involved in a HOA lawsuit, one way of the other. That takes experience. I got into this business because I witnessed first hand how corrupt management companies and law firms are, and put the two together is setting off a bad chain reaction.

I own two management companies, one for full service and the other for self managed HOA's providing only financial only. Our primary now is self managed only. Statistically, there are 60,000 HOA's in California and its a good bet that 50% are self managed because of their size. We will handle both receivables and payables, make sure taxes and reviews are done on a timely basis, Annual Budget Packages and Disclosures done when required, update the SOS site and handle escrows on their behalf. There is a legal update newsletter sent out by one of the law firm and this is always sent to the board when available.

I am not in this for the money...not exactly.. and I will drop a HOA if they insist on doing things either unethical or illegal or worse, both. I dropped one this month because one board member felt it was none of my business to know what was in the reserve account and they controlled the account and there was money missing. The rest were afraid of her and it was sayonara.

This site has its moments but for the most part, especially the last couple of years, the solutions offered seems to be litigate, litigate, litigate.
KerryL1 (California)
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We've drifted from Adams' concerns. What are you going to do, Adam?
MaxB4
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/17/2022 12:55 PM
We've drifted from Adams' concerns. What are you going to do, Adam?

I think we provided a solution, don't go it alone. I was just passing time.
KerryL1 (California)
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I'm asking Adam, Max, what his plan is.
BillD16 (Texas)
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> I was just passing time.

Same.

Adam! Batter up!

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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well, elections were last night.....it was another circus.

for this topic specifically, the President actually chose to not publish any names of nominations, no handouts, no blurbs about anybody....instead, they took nominations from the floor, wrote names on a whiteboard, and then immediately started collecting ballots. No allowing candidates to introduce themselves or say anything. Highly unusual....and I did not get on the board, but that's a separate topic that might deserve a dedicated thread, due to all the potential issues and violations and tampering.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By AdamL1 on 05/18/2022 7:24 AM
well, elections were last night.....it was another circus.

for this topic specifically, the President actually chose to not publish any names of nominations, no handouts, no blurbs about anybody....instead, they took nominations from the floor, wrote names on a whiteboard, and then immediately started collecting ballots. No allowing candidates to introduce themselves or say anything. Highly unusual....and I did not get on the board, but that's a separate topic that might deserve a dedicated thread, due to all the potential issues and violations and tampering.

Adam

It is not uncommon for candidates not to be given time to speak. Not that I like it, but it is not uncommon.
BillD16 (Texas)
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Posted By AdamL1 on 05/18/2022 7:24 AM
well, elections were last night.....it was another circus.

for this topic tespecifically, the President actually chose to not publish any names of nominations, no handouts, no blurbs about anybody....instead, they took nominations from the floor, wrote names on a whiteboard, and then immediately started collecting ballots. No allowing candidates to introduce themselves or say anything. Highly unusual....and I did not get on the board, but that's a separate topic that might deserve a dedicated thread, due to all the potential issues and violations and tampering.

So … did they take *additional* nominations from the floor? Or did they ignore the forms that you (and perhaps others) submitted before the meeting, and only people nominated from the floor were considered?

If the latter, it seems ‘unusual’.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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the latter. yes, unusual all around every aspect of the meeting....but the President did a great job of fomenting the mob and telling them the lies they wanted to hear.

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