Proper Notice of Meeting

LmT (California)
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Our HOA today held the monthly board meeting. Notice of the meeting went out via email to those who are members of the website (not all home owners are members of the website). That email went out on Wednesday and the meeting was today, Friday. According to our Annual Mailing the notices are to be posted on the Community its notice board and it was not. Our management company has always sent out emails to all home owners in the past but we have a new manager.

I believe this was an illegal meeting and will affect all matters voted and decided upon at the meeting. Am I correct?

This HOA is in California.

AugustinD
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Posted By LmT on 05/06/2022 11:19 AM
Our HOA today held the monthly board meeting. Notice of the meeting went out via email to those who are members of the website (not all home owners are members of the website). That email went out on Wednesday and the meeting was today, Friday. According to our Annual Mailing the notices are to be posted on the Community its notice board and it was not. Our management company has always sent out emails to all home owners in the past but we have a new manager.

I believe this was an illegal meeting and will affect all matters voted and decided upon at the meeting.

I agree, per https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Civil-Code-4920

SheliaH (Indiana)
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You have a new manager - is it possible he/she didn't know about this? Certainly, the previous property manager should have told her and if that wasn't done, someone on the board should have.

What did the board say when you noticed there wasn't a notice on the board - you did ask them, didn't you?

Now regarding the legalities, I think I'd be more concerned if there wasn't a proper quorum of board members present. were all the homeowners showing up at the previous meetings when the notice was posted? If the meetings are held at the same time and day of the month, it IS a good idea to post a notice - better yet, list all the dates on the community website every year, along with the annual mailing, so everyone knows in advance what's going on.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

LmT (California)
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I would never have known about the meeting had I not asked the President when is the next meeting. I did advise him that it should be properly noticed and suggested he quickly get a copy of the notice and agenda and post it to the community notice board in order to stay in compliance. He chose not to do that instead advising me that, in future, he will request the manager to send it out earlier!

There was a quorum because all board members receive a board packet prior to the meeting. The meetings are not at the same time every month.

They have never issued a list of dates for meetings. However, our meetings are still virtual so the host must invite participants to attend with log in information.

SarahV4 (California)
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I agree, it was not properly noticed. It does seem mostly that it was a mistake due to the new manager rather than being malicious. You should inform the manager of the statues, and ask what their plan is to meet them going forward. Most boards want to comply and you can politely help them do so.

(Also, you can't just list meeting dates in the annual notice since in California, agendas also have to be posted/sent in advance.)

SheliaH (Indiana)
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Hm, sounds like the president (and perhaps the rest of the board) is more interested in doing whatever without anyone noticing. Not sure why the meetings can't be at the same time every month - I can't imagine everyone's lives changing that fast.

I'm also skeptical of how they're running virtual meetings. My church still has virtual services and meetings, although we've started to gradually return to live services. The the dates and times for various meetings, with the links are listed in our announcements, as well as posted on our website. People can also listen in via conference call.

Time for you and like minded neighbors to pressure the board into changing its ways. If they don't seem to care their decisions could be jeopardized legally due to the lack of proper and timely meeting notices, y'all may need to think about replacing this group at the next election. if it comes to that, you will need people ready and willing to step up and serve, including you.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

SteveH35 (Washington)
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Posted By LmT on 05/06/2022 11:19 AM
Our HOA today held the monthly board meeting. Notice of the meeting went out via email to those who are members of the website (not all home owners are members of the website). That email went out on Wednesday and the meeting was today, Friday. According to our Annual Mailing the notices are to be posted on the Community its notice board and it was not. Our management company has always sent out emails to all home owners in the past but we have a new manager.

I believe this was an illegal meeting and will affect all matters voted and decided upon at the meeting. Am I correct?

This HOA is in California.

This thread is a great reminder that actions do not have to be *malicious* to be *illegal.* Malicious and intentionally fraudulent actions can serve to "remove the corporate veil" that normally shields volunteer Directors from personal liability, but there is no shield for failing to follow the law. California has what are arguably the strictest CIC statutes in the United States.

Legal ramifications of illegal actions are framed by the impact(s) of what occurred. Could you bring a lawsuit about this? Probably. What would the result be of a one-off failure to provide notice? Answer: it depends on what happened at the meeting where notice wasn't provided appropriately.

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

Regards,
Steve

JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 3:29 PM

Posted By LmT on 05/06/2022 11:19 AM
Our HOA today held the monthly board meeting. Notice of the meeting went out via email to those who are members of the website (not all home owners are members of the website). That email went out on Wednesday and the meeting was today, Friday. According to our Annual Mailing the notices are to be posted on the Community its notice board and it was not. Our management company has always sent out emails to all home owners in the past but we have a new manager.

I believe this was an illegal meeting and will affect all matters voted and decided upon at the meeting. Am I correct?

This HOA is in California.

This thread is a great reminder that actions do not have to be *malicious* to be *illegal.* Malicious and intentionally fraudulent actions can serve to "remove the corporate veil" that normally shields volunteer Directors from personal liability, but there is no shield for failing to follow the law. California has what are arguably the strictest CIC statutes in the United States.

Legal ramifications of illegal actions are framed by the impact(s) of what occurred. Could you bring a lawsuit about this? Probably. What would the result be of a one-off failure to provide notice? Answer: it depends on what happened at the meeting where notice wasn't provided appropriately.

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

Regards,
Steve

I'm starting to sense your posts are an elaborate type of spam for a website that you just happen to own. Am I correct?

MaxB4
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It isn't spam and I think he will give someone a run for their money.

JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 05/09/2022 4:09 PM
It isn't spam and I think he will give someone a run for their money.

If I am correct that this Steve is the same Steve that owns the website that he is mentioning over and over again then you and I will have to disagree. With that said, feel free to subscribe or make a donation to the site:

https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/resources/Library

SteveH35 (Washington)
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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 3:41 PM

Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 3:29 PM

Posted By LmT on 05/06/2022 11:19 AM
Our HOA today held the monthly board meeting. Notice of the meeting went out via email to those who are members of the website (not all home owners are members of the website). That email went out on Wednesday and the meeting was today, Friday. According to our Annual Mailing the notices are to be posted on the Community its notice board and it was not. Our management company has always sent out emails to all home owners in the past but we have a new manager.

I believe this was an illegal meeting and will affect all matters voted and decided upon at the meeting. Am I correct?

This HOA is in California.

This thread is a great reminder that actions do not have to be *malicious* to be *illegal.* Malicious and intentionally fraudulent actions can serve to "remove the corporate veil" that normally shields volunteer Directors from personal liability, but there is no shield for failing to follow the law. California has what are arguably the strictest CIC statutes in the United States.

Legal ramifications of illegal actions are framed by the impact(s) of what occurred. Could you bring a lawsuit about this? Probably. What would the result be of a one-off failure to provide notice? Answer: it depends on what happened at the meeting where notice wasn't provided appropriately.

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

Regards,
Steve

I'm starting to sense your posts are an elaborate type of spam for a website that you just happen to own. Am I correct?

John,

You think the substantive posts I've added today are spam? Why? Because I provide additional value-added *free* content somewhere folks can find it again and not buried in endless threads?

Before CAI decided they didn't like my CIC-focused (not industry-focused) content, I was the #1 contributor for months on the Exchange Forum. CAI's forum lacks an "anchor point" where folks can find what they need. Forums like this one are great, but they are not "anchors." No more than I would expect a new homeowner leader to find an email from 5 years ago in an archive, I do not expect folks seeking answers to search threads (many of which repeat themselves) over weeks, months or years.

I've finally decided to put some effort into this forum which, by all appearances, is much more focused on homeowners. I think my contributions speak for themselves.

Regards,
Steve

MaxB4
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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:24 PM

Posted By MaxB4 on 05/09/2022 4:09 PM
It isn't spam and I think he will give someone a run for their money.

If I am correct that this Steve is the same Steve that owns the website that he is mentioning over and over again then you and I will have to disagree. With that said, feel free to subscribe or make a donation to the site:

https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/resources/Library

To use the site, you do not have to subscribe, so if YOU have an issue, don't go there. Last I hear this was still a free country.

MaxB4
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JohnT

Would it make you feel better if I referenced the site instead of Steve?

JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 4:26 PM

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 3:41 PM

Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 3:29 PM

Posted By LmT on 05/06/2022 11:19 AM
Our HOA today held the monthly board meeting. Notice of the meeting went out via email to those who are members of the website (not all home owners are members of the website). That email went out on Wednesday and the meeting was today, Friday. According to our Annual Mailing the notices are to be posted on the Community its notice board and it was not. Our management company has always sent out emails to all home owners in the past but we have a new manager.

I believe this was an illegal meeting and will affect all matters voted and decided upon at the meeting. Am I correct?

This HOA is in California.

This thread is a great reminder that actions do not have to be *malicious* to be *illegal.* Malicious and intentionally fraudulent actions can serve to "remove the corporate veil" that normally shields volunteer Directors from personal liability, but there is no shield for failing to follow the law. California has what are arguably the strictest CIC statutes in the United States.

Legal ramifications of illegal actions are framed by the impact(s) of what occurred. Could you bring a lawsuit about this? Probably. What would the result be of a one-off failure to provide notice? Answer: it depends on what happened at the meeting where notice wasn't provided appropriately.

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

Regards,
Steve

I'm starting to sense your posts are an elaborate type of spam for a website that you just happen to own. Am I correct?

John,

You think the substantive posts I've added today are spam? Why? Because I provide additional value-added *free* content somewhere folks can find it again and not buried in endless threads?

Before CAI decided they didn't like my CIC-focused (not industry-focused) content, I was the #1 contributor for months on the Exchange Forum. CAI's forum lacks an "anchor point" where folks can find what they need. Forums like this one are great, but they are not "anchors." No more than I would expect a new homeowner leader to find an email from 5 years ago in an archive, I do not expect folks seeking answers to search threads (many of which repeat themselves) over weeks, months or years.

I've finally decided to put some effort into this forum which, by all appearances, is much more focused on homeowners. I think my contributions speak for themselves.

Regards,
Steve

I'm not questioning your knowledge. You can share this information without mentioning your website in nearly every post you make. Your posts were carefully worded to look like you had found these useful articles on a website that you conveniently fail to mention that you just happen to own. In my opinion you are walking a fine line on breaking the no advertising rule on this site.

SteveH35 (Washington)
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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:33 PM

Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 4:26 PM

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 3:41 PM

Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 3:29 PM

Posted By LmT on 05/06/2022 11:19 AM
Our HOA today held the monthly board meeting. Notice of the meeting went out via email to those who are members of the website (not all home owners are members of the website). That email went out on Wednesday and the meeting was today, Friday. According to our Annual Mailing the notices are to be posted on the Community its notice board and it was not. Our management company has always sent out emails to all home owners in the past but we have a new manager.

I believe this was an illegal meeting and will affect all matters voted and decided upon at the meeting. Am I correct?

This HOA is in California.

This thread is a great reminder that actions do not have to be *malicious* to be *illegal.* Malicious and intentionally fraudulent actions can serve to "remove the corporate veil" that normally shields volunteer Directors from personal liability, but there is no shield for failing to follow the law. California has what are arguably the strictest CIC statutes in the United States.

Legal ramifications of illegal actions are framed by the impact(s) of what occurred. Could you bring a lawsuit about this? Probably. What would the result be of a one-off failure to provide notice? Answer: it depends on what happened at the meeting where notice wasn't provided appropriately.

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

Regards,
Steve

I'm starting to sense your posts are an elaborate type of spam for a website that you just happen to own. Am I correct?

John,

You think the substantive posts I've added today are spam? Why? Because I provide additional value-added *free* content somewhere folks can find it again and not buried in endless threads?

Before CAI decided they didn't like my CIC-focused (not industry-focused) content, I was the #1 contributor for months on the Exchange Forum. CAI's forum lacks an "anchor point" where folks can find what they need. Forums like this one are great, but they are not "anchors." No more than I would expect a new homeowner leader to find an email from 5 years ago in an archive, I do not expect folks seeking answers to search threads (many of which repeat themselves) over weeks, months or years.

I've finally decided to put some effort into this forum which, by all appearances, is much more focused on homeowners. I think my contributions speak for themselves.

Regards,
Steve

I'm not questioning your knowledge. You can share this information without mentioning your website in nearly every post you make. Your posts were carefully worded to look like you had found these useful articles on a website that you conveniently fail to mention that you just happen to own. In my opinion you are walking a fine line on breaking the no advertising rule on this site.

John, in addition to Condo Connection, I've posted messages today with a CAI website and TheRealDeal.com. You can pay CAI to be a member. I just checked and TheRealDeal also has a subscription. Frankly, I don't understand the angst. If you think I've violated a forum rule, by all means, please report me. I'm just contributing what I believe to be value-added content and I always post links to content that's available for *free* because I believe CICs need more free, quality information from sources other than "the industry" of CAI.

It's my first day here on this forum. I'll probably add 10 to 20 posts a day if that's OK with you...

AugustinD
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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 3:41 PM

I'm starting to sense your posts are an elaborate type of spam for a website that you just happen to own. Am I correct?

Quote:

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:24 PM

If I am correct that this Steve is the same Steve that owns the website that he is mentioning over and over again then you and I will have to disagree. With that said, feel free to subscribe or make a donation to the site:

https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/resources/Library

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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:33 PM

I'm not questioning your knowledge. You can share this information without mentioning your website in nearly every post you make. Your posts were carefully worded to look like you had found these useful articles on a website that you conveniently fail to mention that you just happen to own. In my opinion you are walking a fine line on breaking the no advertising rule on this site.

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Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 3:29 PM

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

JohnT38, thank you for pointing out that SteveH35 owns the condo connection yada site. The guy offers legal opinions via this site, in exchange for money.

MaxB4
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Quote:

Posted By AugustinD on 05/09/2022 5:30 PM

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 3:41 PM

I'm starting to sense your posts are an elaborate type of spam for a website that you just happen to own. Am I correct?

Quote:

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:24 PM

If I am correct that this Steve is the same Steve that owns the website that he is mentioning over and over again then you and I will have to disagree. With that said, feel free to subscribe or make a donation to the site:

https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/resources/Library

Quote:

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:33 PM

I'm not questioning your knowledge. You can share this information without mentioning your website in nearly every post you make. Your posts were carefully worded to look like you had found these useful articles on a website that you conveniently fail to mention that you just happen to own. In my opinion you are walking a fine line on breaking the no advertising rule on this site.

Quote:

Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 3:29 PM

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

JohnT38, thank you for pointing out that SteveH35 owns the condo connection yada site. The guy offers legal opinions via this site, in exchange for money.

Jealous much?

RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 4:41 PM
You can pay CAI to be a member. I just checked and TheRealDeal also has a subscription. Frankly, I don't understand the angst. If you think I've violated a forum rule, by all means, please report me. I'm just contributing what I believe to be value-added content and I always post links to content that's available for *free* because I believe CICs need more free, quality information from sources other than "the industry" of CAI.

It's my first day here on this forum. I'll probably add 10 to 20 posts a day if that's OK with you...

I noticed you posted about CAI. The new management company in my association is a member.

A question based on a related issue to this thread. Does CAI take ethics complaints against its members seriously?

Specifically: "8. Ensure that Client homeowners receive timely communication and response as required by state statutes or legal documents and protect their right of appeal."

Note, that ethics rule has a caveat about Board ignoring management company advice: "CAI recognizes that ensuring that homeowners have timely notice or that their appeal rights are protected is limited by the extent that the Manager can influence their Client. Thus, a Manager who makes reasonable efforts to properly advise the Client has complied with this standard, even if the Client chooses to reject the Manager’s advice.""

Our Association is not giving notice for meeting this year. Per Texas law, it should give notice of agenda and location no later than 10 days prior to a Board meeting. So it seems a violation of that ethics rule if the management company is not advising the Board to give proper notice.

Perhaps the management company is complying by giving that advice but the Board is ignoring it. If so, that would be good to know so as to inform members that Board refuses management company guidance and Texas law. Before any hint of a complaint being filed is made, I want to know if CAI takes complaints seriously, and if such a complaint is something a management company would want to avoid being filed against it. Or is it not treated seriously and the company could not care less?

SteveH35 (Washington)
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/09/2022 5:30 PM

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 3:41 PM

I'm starting to sense your posts are an elaborate type of spam for a website that you just happen to own. Am I correct?

Quote:

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:24 PM

If I am correct that this Steve is the same Steve that owns the website that he is mentioning over and over again then you and I will have to disagree. With that said, feel free to subscribe or make a donation to the site:

https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/resources/Library

Quote:

Posted By JohnT38 on 05/09/2022 4:33 PM

I'm not questioning your knowledge. You can share this information without mentioning your website in nearly every post you make. Your posts were carefully worded to look like you had found these useful articles on a website that you conveniently fail to mention that you just happen to own. In my opinion you are walking a fine line on breaking the no advertising rule on this site.

Quote:

Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 3:29 PM

Last, we should remember that notice typically involves more than an email UNLESS a unit owner has provided consent to receive notice electronically (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/notice).

JohnT38, thank you for pointing out that SteveH35 owns the condo connection yada site. The guy offers legal opinions via this site, in exchange for money.

Augustin, you clearly haven't read the 'About' page on Condo Connection (https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/About). The responses on this forum are starting to feel toxic. CICs are doomed in a world where CAI runs the show AND homeowners go after one another for providing free information. So little has changed over the past two decades. ALL the same questions. Many of the same answers. Much of the same confusion. It's shameful.

SteveH35 (Washington)
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Posted By RogerJ1 on 05/09/2022 5:41 PM

Posted By SteveH35 on 05/09/2022 4:41 PM
You can pay CAI to be a member. I just checked and TheRealDeal also has a subscription. Frankly, I don't understand the angst. If you think I've violated a forum rule, by all means, please report me. I'm just contributing what I believe to be value-added content and I always post links to content that's available for *free* because I believe CICs need more free, quality information from sources other than "the industry" of CAI.

It's my first day here on this forum. I'll probably add 10 to 20 posts a day if that's OK with you...

I noticed you posted about CAI. The new management company in my association is a member.

A question based on a related issue to this thread. Does CAI take ethics complaints against its members seriously?

Specifically: "8. Ensure that Client homeowners receive timely communication and response as required by state statutes or legal documents and protect their right of appeal."

Note, that ethics rule has a caveat about Board ignoring management company advice: "CAI recognizes that ensuring that homeowners have timely notice or that their appeal rights are protected is limited by the extent that the Manager can influence their Client. Thus, a Manager who makes reasonable efforts to properly advise the Client has complied with this standard, even if the Client chooses to reject the Manager’s advice.""

Our Association is not giving notice for meeting this year. Per Texas law, it should give notice of agenda and location no later than 10 days prior to a Board meeting. So it seems a violation of that ethics rule if the management company is not advising the Board to give proper notice.

Perhaps the management company is complying by giving that advice but the Board is ignoring it. If so, that would be good to know so as to inform members that Board refuses management company guidance and Texas law. Before any hint of a complaint being filed is made, I want to know if CAI takes complaints seriously, and if such a complaint is something a management company would want to avoid being filed against it. Or is it not treated seriously and the company could not care less?

Roger,

Yours is a salient question. Unless you're on the Board, it's difficult to know if the Manager is providing appropriate advice to your Board. Having served on our Board for a nearly 200 unit condominium for over three years, I've found CAM input extraordinary lacking to the point of violating the basic Manager Code of Ethics and CMCA Standards of Practice nearly every week. That's not to say there aren't fantastic CAMs out there.

Texas has adopted some relatively robust CIC statutes. If your CIC consistently fails to provide appropriate notice, you have some potential remedies. Does CAI take complaints seriously? If you measure it based on CAMs who have lost their license (~20 in all time: https://www.caionline.org/LearningCenter/credentials/Ethics/Pages/revocations.aspx), NO. I'm not sure what other measure to use. That said, staying silent cannot possibly help.

Regards,
Steve

AugustinD
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SteveH35, hoatalk.com prohibits advertising for-profit web sites. You are spamming this forum.

MaxB4
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SteveH

Ignore him

AugustinD
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Posted By RogerJ1 on 05/09/2022 5:41 PM
Perhaps the management company is complying by giving that advice but the Board is ignoring it. If so, that would be good to know so as to inform members that Board refuses management company guidance and Texas law. Before any hint of a complaint being filed is made, I want to know if CAI takes complaints seriously, and if such a complaint is something a management company would want to avoid being filed against it. Or is it not treated seriously and the company could not care less?

RogerJ1, I think alleging a management company has violated an ethics rule, so you can maybe determine exactly what the MC told the board, is itself unethical. Isn't simply knowing the Board is not (according to you) complying with the law on notice enough to go forward?

Do you realize you would be putting a lot of innocent people to work?

"Thou shalt not bear false witness..."

MaxB4
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/09/2022 6:02 PM
SteveH35, hoatalk.com prohibits advertising for-profit web sites. You are spamming this forum.

You do realize the site is a .org site?

What is .org stand for?
organization

org top-level domain stands for “organization” and is primarily used for nonprofit websites such as charities, NGOs, open source projects, and educational platforms.

www.davis-stirling.com is a commercial site and its main purpose is to attract "new" customers. HOATalk.com feeds them new leads each and every day.

AugustinD
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Anyone can get a .org domain name. there is no requirement that the entity behind the site be a nonprofit.

Mr. Steve is making money from his condo connection yada site.

MaxB4
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/09/2022 6:30 PM
Anyone can get a .org domain name. there is no requirement that the entity behind the site be a nonprofit.

Mr. Steve is making money from his condo connection yada site.

So if it makes you feel better and gets your panties out of a bunch, then I will mention, on his behalf, of course.

JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MaxB4 on 05/09/2022 6:24 PM

Posted By AugustinD on 05/09/2022 6:02 PM
SteveH35, hoatalk.com prohibits advertising for-profit web sites. You are spamming this forum.

You do realize the site is a .org site?

What is .org stand for?
organization

org top-level domain stands for “organization” and is primarily used for nonprofit websites such as charities, NGOs, open source projects, and educational platforms.

www.davis-stirling.com is a commercial site and its main purpose is to attract "new" customers. HOATalk.com feeds them new leads each and every day.

I doubt very seriously you believe a word you said and instead just enjoy tweaking AugustinD up. First we have:

https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/resources/Library which also leads to https://www.smaartegroup.com/about. Also, can you show me where the owner(s) of davis-sterling.com and have personally come here and made several posts that include links to their site?

If you believe that Steve came here with no intention on generating sales leads then I'd like to talk to you about a bridge I have for sale.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Yeah, it doesn't have to be junk spam in order to be shilling or advertising. A very common technique is to offer a tidbit of value (eg. useful info) and then refer people to the money-making site for more.

A m-making site that competes with the one you're posting on? Poor form, old chap...

MaxB4
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If you yoyo's remember back, this site used to SELL advertising to companies that supposedly were in the HOA business. I ever considered doing it myself. One of my competitors did and said it was a waste of money as it didn't generate any leads.

I think you guys are just jealous, get over it.

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Posted By AugustinD on 05/09/2022 6:14 PM

Posted By RogerJ1 on 05/09/2022 5:41 PM
Perhaps the management company is complying by giving that advice but the Board is ignoring it. If so, that would be good to know so as to inform members that Board refuses management company guidance and Texas law. Before any hint of a complaint being filed is made, I want to know if CAI takes complaints seriously, and if such a complaint is something a management company would want to avoid being filed against it. Or is it not treated seriously and the company could not care less?

RogerJ1, I think alleging a management company has violated an ethics rule, so you can maybe determine exactly what the MC told the board, is itself unethical. Isn't simply knowing the Board is not (according to you) complying with the law on notice enough to go forward?

Do you realize you would be putting a lot of innocent people to work?

"Thou shalt not bear false witness..."

"Thou shalt not bear false witness..."

That was so last century.

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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/10/2022 3:18 AM

Posted By MaxB4 on 05/09/2022 6:24 PM

Posted By AugustinD on 05/09/2022 6:02 PM
SteveH35, hoatalk.com prohibits advertising for-profit web sites. You are spamming this forum.

You do realize the site is a .org site?

What is .org stand for?
organization

org top-level domain stands for “organization” and is primarily used for nonprofit websites such as charities, NGOs, open source projects, and educational platforms.

www.davis-stirling.com is a commercial site and its main purpose is to attract "new" customers. HOATalk.com feeds them new leads each and every day.

I doubt very seriously you believe a word you said and instead just enjoy tweaking AugustinD up. First we have:

https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/resources/Library which also leads to https://www.smaartegroup.com/about. Also, can you show me where the owner(s) of davis-sterling.com and have personally come here and made several posts that include links to their site?

If you believe that Steve came here with no intention on generating sales leads then I'd like to talk to you about a bridge I have for sale.

It's not davis-sterling, his name is actually Larry Stirling.

It was you and not Steve, that posted the link above for people to subscribe, IF THEY WISHED.

Yes, I like going after Augustine. Thinks he knows everything about every state. BS. He might have once served on a board in a minority position, which meant he had to stay in his little corner and he has never managed any properties. My guess a person who maybe has a law degree but couldn't pass the bar. And I HATE lawyers!

BTW, someone's already bought that bridge, many times over.