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NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
What is your philosophy on repairing vs replacing older expensive common area items that are accounted for in a reserve study?

For example, for those of you who have a clubhouse with an HVAC system and the system normally lasts 15 years; if you are on year 22 with the same system, do you continue to repair it as needed or buy a new system?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Depends on how expensive it is to repair, how often the repairs have to happen and if you actually have the funds for a replacement (not to mention when the best time of the year would be to have the replacement).

As everyone knows, the cost of everything has gone up over the past couple of years.
If you need a new vehicle, many say to try and wait to see if costs drop as the world economy finally ramps up.
Same thought process can be toward other goods and services as well.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I agree with Tim. You have to weigh the cost of continuing to repair vs. buying new. Some other things to consider:

* How reliable is the old system? How easy is it to find people who can service it? In other words, are HVAC repair crews like young car mechanics who've never seen a carburetor?

* Something I've observed with stuff like appliances: the old things often keep going and going and going, and the new stuff seems to be designed to break down on schedule. In other words, the newer systems may be of lower quality.

* On the other hand, HVAC systems in general have become more efficient over the years, and the cost to operate them can be lower. So you have to also weigh the savings that you may get with a new system.

Not an easy or obvious decision. On the other hand, I also don't think there's a wrong answer. People will gripe about the current system going out without warning, and they will also gripe about paying for a new one. That doesn't mean you've made the wrong decision.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
Yes unfortunately there is no easy answer here. It depends on costs to repair, and how often repairs must be done. If, in the long run. it would make more financial sense to buy a new system, then that's probably the best option.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Tim and Cathy said.

Cathy's also right about the longevity of many items. Years ago I had to replace my furnace (got the work done shortly before a nasty cold snap). The contractor noted I still had the original equipment - the townhouse was built in 1978 and I replaced in the early 2000s. The only thing that had been replaced in all that time was the blower.

Routine checkups may also be a factor - for example in a HVAC, do you have the property manager do things like replace the furnace filter every month or three if you can use those 90 day filters? Little things like that can extend the life of components that get a lot of use.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Cathy and Tim are spot on. Something to consider as well, what coolant is your current system? Freon or R-134?
Freon is now no longer available and the cost to convert is likely expensive. Even R-134 is being phased out for more eco friendly coolants

The newer higher SEER systems are very energy efficient and will save you money on your energy bill.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
Something to also think about. If the system fails and needs to be replaced are you able to wait 3-4 weeks for the replacement? We had both our HVAC systems die in the middle of January one year in North Carolina. This was even before the pandemic. Took 4 weeks to fabricate the mounting needed to install the new units. For 4 weeks we had to run space heaters to keep the water pipes from freezing. I realize you are in Arizona, but depending on what the building is used for, can you go 3-4 weeks due to pandemic supply chain and labor issues waiting?
ThadC2 (Florida)
Posts: 820
Posted:
hvac salesmen are some of the most crooked in the industry. They will use the fact that it is too hot/cold and that makes people uncomfortable to push through a replacement so you dont' sit and sweat your ass off.

Example #1. Friend had a $150 motor go out so the hvac fan didn't move the air around. HVAC company recommeneded $10,000 new system.

Example #2. hvac had a bad capacitor $10 part. hvac company said the compressor went out and recommended new system.

you will NEVER EVER save enough money by upgrading an old ineffcient system to a newer more effcient system. the difference between seer 14 and seer 21 is only 50% and most of the time you are only upgrading from seer 14 to 16 which is 12% or so.

almost always economically better to fix than replace hvac system.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Our HOA will make reasonable repairs on all amenities irrespective of the capital replacement plan we have in place.

In your example, we would maintain our annual maintenance plan on the "old" HVAC (which ours is 15 years old) until failure is imminent, requiring replacement. Then, we'd move quickly on said replacement. You'll be replacing that HVAC soon enough but, with maintenance, your reserves can simply be preserved a bit.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KellyM3 on 05/08/2022 9:28 AM
Our HOA will make reasonable repairs on all amenities irrespective of the capital replacement plan we have in place.

In your example, we would maintain our annual maintenance plan on the "old" HVAC (which ours is 15 years old) until failure is imminent, requiring replacement. Then, we'd move quickly on said replacement. You'll be replacing that HVAC soon enough but, with maintenance, your reserves can simply be preserved a bit.

Sound advice.
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
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Posted By NpB on 05/05/2022 11:49 PM
What is your philosophy on repairing vs replacing older expensive common area items that are accounted for in a reserve study?

For example, for those of you who have a clubhouse with an HVAC system and the system normally lasts 15 years; if you are on year 22 with the same system, do you continue to repair it as needed or buy a new system?

Np,

With HVAC, you *might* have the luxury of time if the system crashes and burns, but at a certain point, with certain components like, say, a critical trash compactor, the situation stinks when you end up spending nearly as much on repairs as a new replacement system (that has a 3 month lead time) would have cost...

Regards,
Steve

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