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MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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We're a bit early, but I'm starting to ponder the dues question for 2023. Wondering how high we can set them?

Our CC&Rs have no restrictions on dues or the maximum amount of dues increases, so we can set them to whatever we like. The higher they are of course the more folks will complain. The lower they are the less we can get done, and of course, people will complain about that too.

Historically, we've generally matched home values. As home values plummeted circa 2009 - 2016, so did our dues. As home values climbed recently, so did our dues. Last year was an anomaly as dues decreased while home values increased. This year, home prices have skyrocketed. Would it make sense for our dues to go up as well?

I'm curious about a scientific way of setting dues...right now I think we're more pulling a rabbit out of a hat rather than scientifically setting them to the right level.

Note: I reference 2009 - 2016. I wasn't on the board then (I joined at the end of 2019)...I just pulled historical data from past meeeting minutes and past records of home values.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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You match your dues to your HOA expenses. No more no less in theory. Everyone usually pays the same as it is split amongst everyone evenly. There are a few HOA that base it on unit size. Otherwise it is the number of members divided into the total expenses.

Non profit but not charitable one.

Former HOA President
AugustinD
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 05/03/2022 7:11 AM

I'm curious about a scientific way of setting dues...right now I think we're more pulling a rabbit out of a hat rather than scientifically setting them to the right level.
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The governing documents of every HOA/COA I have seen states that the regular assessment is set pursuant to the annual budget's estimate of the coming year's expenses, with each owner paying pursuant to her or his lawful interest in the community, as set in Declaration. For HOA's this typically translates dividing the coming year's expenses by the total number of lot owners.

Washington statutes may say more.

What do your Bylaws and CCRs say about how the regular assessment is set?
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 05/03/2022 7:11 AM
We're a bit early, but I'm starting to ponder the dues question for 2023. Wondering how high we can set them?

Our CC&Rs have no restrictions on dues or the maximum amount of dues increases, so we can set them to whatever we like. The higher they are of course the more folks will complain. The lower they are the less we can get done, and of course, people will complain about that too.

Historically, we've generally matched home values. As home values plummeted circa 2009 - 2016, so did our dues. As home values climbed recently, so did our dues. Last year was an anomaly as dues decreased while home values increased. This year, home prices have skyrocketed. Would it make sense for our dues to go up as well?

I'm curious about a scientific way of setting dues...right now I think we're more pulling a rabbit out of a hat rather than scientifically setting them to the right level.

Note: I reference 2009 - 2016. I wasn't on the board then (I joined at the end of 2019)...I just pulled historical data from past meeeting minutes and past records of home values.

How about using actual expenses and following the information in your Reserve Study? (Assuming you have one.) Basing dues on home values makes no sense to me. How does the value of a house reflect what maintenance expenses are for the community? How does it reflect what the long term costs are for Reserve items?
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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MichaelT21, isn't your HOA bound by Washington statute section 64.90.525? See

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.90.525

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.90.080

If so, state statutes require the board to prepare a budget, breaking down the income by category, including computation of the amount of the regular assessment for each unit.

What is the status of your board's budget preparation?
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.

We're in the middle of a 15 year renovation of our parks. We have been working on renovations for 2 years now, probably have about 3 years left. My cost estimate is approximately $350,000 left to invest in the parks or just over $1000 / homeowner. As a Board, we have the choice to spread these costs over 3 years, 5 years, or 7 years.

Hence, how fast we do the renovations is based highly on how quickly we want to accomplish the work. My preference is to set the dues as high as possible, so we accomplish the work as quickly as possible.

Yes, the renovations are necessary, reasonable, and practical. Unfortunately, for the last 15 years, our HOA has not invested incrementally in our community spaces over the years. Shrubs died, not replaced. Trees blew over, removed and not replaced. Playground equipment removed, but play space left over and not refurbished. Lots and lots of work.

We have homeowner support for improving our parks and community spaces. Key is to decide how fast to accomplish the work, and thus, how high to set the dues.
AugustinD
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 05/03/2022 7:58 AM

Hence, how fast we do the renovations is based highly on how quickly we want to accomplish the work. My preference is to set the dues as high as possible, so we accomplish the work as quickly as possible.
So propose a budget that reflects the amount of renovations you would like to accomplish in the coming year.

Is your HOA even preparing an annual budget, as required by the state statutes and possibly the Bylaws or Declaration?
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/03/2022 8:04 AM
Posted By MichaelT21 on 05/03/2022 7:58 AM

Hence, how fast we do the renovations is based highly on how quickly we want to accomplish the work. My preference is to set the dues as high as possible, so we accomplish the work as quickly as possible.
So propose a budget that reflects the amount of renovations you would like to accomplish in the coming year.

Is your HOA even preparing an annual budget, as required by the state statutes and possibly the Bylaws or Declaration?

Yes, of course we are.

For the question of this thread, the amount of dollars we put into capital improvements will dictate what the dues should be. The higher the dues, the more we can accomplish. The less the dues, the less we can accomplish.

Thus, I am pondering how we might want to go about evaluating what level our dues might be, because that will dictate how much we have in our capital improvement budget, and thus, dictate how much we accomplish in 2023.

We have a fair amount of flexibility.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Michael,

I like your vision and way of articulating your budget needs. If you're not bound to dues increase caps, I'd recommend tracking the CPI-U inflation index for your fiscal year to set your operations budget since those price increases will be felt by your vendors. Then, add more dues to accelerate your parks and grounds renovations if the community supports it. A five-to-seven year refurbishment time horizon seems a bit long unless you have huge acreage that would require a phased approach to the project.
AugustinD
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 05/03/2022 8:11 AM
For the question of this thread, the amount of dollars we put into capital improvements will dictate what the dues should be. The higher the dues, the more we can accomplish. The less the dues, the less we can accomplish.

Thus, I am pondering how we might want to go about evaluating what level our dues might be, because that will dictate how much we have in our capital improvement budget, and thus, dictate how much we accomplish in 2023.

We have a fair amount of flexibility.
Are you aware that the capital improvements budget and the regular operating expenses budget together determine what the annual dues will be?

The amount of the dues does not drive spending. The (expected) spending drives the dues.

Figure out how much you want to spend on these capital improvements. Determine the needs of the reserves to fund next year's capital improvements and also save for future years. Determine contributions to the reserves accordingly. The contributions come from the operating budget.

You will need more than a nodding acquaintance with how reserve studies are set up and how these studies' dollar figures will play a role here. Why? Because it sounds like you are making an adjustment to the most recent reserve study. This is fine, but you need to start to document said adjustment with your HOA's next year's budget.

You might want to ask if the company that did your last reserve study will tweak the numbers a bit to accelerate funding of the renovations.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Yes, you are a tad early. And you shouldn't base assessments on home values - you have paid attention to all the discussions on property vvalues, what they consist of and what makes them gonup, down and sideways, haven't you?

Start with looking at your expenses - you may want to wait and not July when you have at least 6 months of data (your income/expense statements). Has something increased faster You anticipated? If so, why? What about reserves, are your deposits keeping up with the study recemmendations? Do You have reserve replacements coming up next year? Are delinquencies under control?

Once you consider that, you can begin to run some numbers for next year. They can be tweaked up to the time you'll need to nail it down in time to send it to homeowners. In my community, we started in August by sending RFPs to current and potential vendors. Once we picked them, our property manager would prepare a draft budget, then haggle over the numbers and sign off on the budget in October or early November (next years budget has to be in the homeowners' mailbox on or before Dec. 1). From thAt point, it's basic math - look at your total and divide by the number of units - that's your new assessment.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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