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NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
Our HOA has an unusual "good problem." Our reserves are over 100% fully funded. They are presently close to 130% fully funded and keep rising because of prudent spending and no exogenous or unexpected "rainy day" event. In my opinion present inflation, if persistent, is a "rainy day" event. I can think of some under $5,000 unexpected expenses, but nothing big. Our private streets will be a big future expense who knows when, and that cost is depending on inflation and petroleum costs at the time.

Just like with real government at all levels, there are three approaches when you have too much money.

1) Lower dues.

2) Keep building up and overfunding the reserves as an inflation hedge or for a "rainy day" event.

3) Go on a spending spree for enhancements or luxuries. Landscaping, pool enhancements, fancier entry monument, etc..
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Unless someone sees your reserve study, they are talking out both sides of their mouth or worse.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
Forgot to ask, what would you all do if your reserves were overfunded?

We could lower the dues by $25 per month an still be in a healthy well above average range, but in a community where no one is in arrears, I don't know how meaningful that would be for owners.

I can think of some who would argue to spend the money, thinking that making the complex more luxurious visually will increase home values.

I take the middle approach, probably because I think inflation is pernicious and unpredictable.

We haven't raised the monthly dues in 5 years, and I assume owner comprehend and appreciate that.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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I would first check out the current costs for milling and paving. Then I would update the study with an additional $3 to $5 per sq yard (based on today's gas prices). Then determine if you are fully funded in the reserves or not.

BTW - is your reserve study based on cash flow or component funding?

To understand the difference, see:

HOA Reserve Studies Methods: Pooled VS Component from a management company

Cash flow or component funding: Which is best for a reserve study?

An Explanation of Reserve Study Standards from CAI

If you are truly funding the reserves at 130 percent, you should readjust your budget and consider lowering assessments.

Our studies had a contingency line item for unexpected costs (spike in costs due to inflation or remaining useful life miscalculations) equal to about 10 percent.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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My last association was overfunded, we stopped adding to reserves, but kept the overage for the "rainy day". Since the reserve study was done by the board, we updated that by giving some extra cushion to replacement costs just in case anybody asked about it. Since our association was typical in that most members were happy as long as someone else was doing the work nobody ever asked.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By DouglasK1 on 05/03/2022 4:47 AM
My last association was overfunded, we stopped adding to reserves, but kept the overage for the "rainy day". Since the reserve study was done by the board, we updated that by giving some extra cushion to replacement costs just in case anybody asked about it. Since our association was typical in that most members were happy as long as someone else was doing the work nobody ever asked.

I understand the argument on why you did this and maybe it's the right thing to do? However, it has a ring of dishonesty to it. Isn't an accurate accounting of the people's money a core principle of any HOA Board? When you start adding 'cushions' and 'rainy day' funds I can't help but think you are going down a slippery slope. NpB's statement that they are 30% overfunded would bother me as a homeowner.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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After Surfside, I'm amazed anyone would think "overfunded reserves" would be a problem.

I wouldn't lower assessments, but hold them at the current amount for a year or two. If the fund is that well funded, consider three years. You could also cut the reserve deposits to half and use the rest on enhancements. Poll the residents first to see what type of improvements they'd like to see and pick the top two or three.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
A form of lowering assessments without actually lowering the assessment . . . consider giving all owners a "free" month where assessments will not be collected that month. Around Dec or Jan is a good time for that considering Christmas/Holiday expenses are typically higher at that time.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By SheliaH on 05/03/2022 5:08 AM
After Surfside, I'm amazed anyone would think "overfunded reserves" would be a problem.

I wouldn't lower assessments, but hold them at the current amount for a year or two. If the fund is that well funded, consider three years. You could also cut the reserve deposits to half and use the rest on enhancements. Poll the residents first to see what type of improvements they'd like to see and pick the top two or three.

Where do you draw the line on overfunding? 30%, 100%, $400? Do the homeowners get any say in this? If your Reserve Study is reasonably accurate and it is being updated like it should how do you justify arbitrarily over padding your Reserve Funds?

As for Surfside there was no meaningful Reserve Fund at all. That's an entirely different problem. They chose to bury their heads in the sand and the Boards over the years didn't do their jobs.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Why are we not spending any of the reserve money? It is there for a reason. Which thought part of the evaluation included life span of certain capital items. How much longer have on the roofs or roads thataybe part of the reserves? It seems to me the reserve studies may need re evaluated. If they are not matching the timeline of replacement needs

Former HOA President
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By NpB on 05/02/2022 11:15 PM
Forgot to ask, what would you all do if your reserves were overfunded?
I suggest double checking the Bylaws, Declaration and state law to make sure the HOA/COA does not have some particular obligation (like refunding assessments) in these circumstances. Granted there may be some legitimate work-arounds to such a situation. My point is to be aware of the HOA's/COA's legal obligations.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By JohnT38 on 05/03/2022 5:28 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 05/03/2022 5:08 AM
After Surfside, I'm amazed anyone would think "overfunded reserves" would be a problem.

I wouldn't lower assessments, but hold them at the current amount for a year or two. If the fund is that well funded, consider three years. You could also cut the reserve deposits to half and use the rest on enhancements. Poll the residents first to see what type of improvements they'd like to see and pick the top two or three.


Where do you draw the line on overfunding? 30%, 100%, $400? Do the homeowners get any say in this? If your Reserve Study is reasonably accurate and it is being updated like it should how do you justify arbitrarily over padding your Reserve Funds?

As for Surfside there was no meaningful Reserve Fund at all. That's an entirely different problem. They chose to bury their heads in the sand and the Boards over the years didn't do their jobs.

No significant reserves isn't the only problem with many HOAs. There are HOAs who don't do reserve studies regularly and/or ignore the funding recommendations altogether. It's true the boards at Surfside let things go, but you also saw how the homeowners squashed at special assessments which might not been necessary if....they'd funded the reserves properly from the be.

All of this stuff can lead to underfunded reserves or no reserves at all, so you have to think carefully about this "overfunded" stuff. By the way, you HAVE heard of inflation , haven't you? This fund may be considered overturned now, but you're looking at 2022 prices. When he money's needed five or 10 years from now, it may be a different story and you'll be glad you have all that money.

Hell, prices are going up THIS YEAR because of supply chain issues, increasing gas prices (that's why it seemed the pump wouldn't stop the last time you filled up your car). And depending in where you live, the weather may be a huge issue with more damage from wildfires, more severe tornados, and so on.

There's no perfect answer, but I know life has a strange habit of doing what it do regardless of what you and I think, and sometimes you do your due diligence and shit still happens. I so think there's probably a reasonable compromise somewhere, but it's a matter of NP and the rest of the board running the numbers and considering the pros and cons of their options. Remember, we don't live in that community, so we won't have to live with the consequences.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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They may not be as overfunded as you believe.

For our reserve study, locally prepared by a national reserve study firm whom many people here likely use, the cost estimate to replace a reserve item has been dramatically underestimated by the reserve study company. For example, the cluster mailboxes were estimated to cost $34,000 to replace and we have actual cost estimates of $64,000 for replacement. We had some asphalt repairs done, estimated at $18,000 in the reserve study, and the actual cost was $45,000. And so on and so on.

I'm going through the reserve study cost estimates one by one, getting estimates from vendors, and having the reserve study company update the numbers. As a result, the percent funded keeps declining every year even though the total amount we have in reserves is climbing.

So, I would keep a close eye on your numbers.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Great overall advice here...

1. Don't lower dues, hold them steady.

2. Ensure that the HOA board isn't "saving Reserve money" by waiting too long on planned capital replacements, thus burying costs in the slow death of multiple amenities, which could lead to multiple capital projects needing to be addressed at the same time (which doesn't respect written plans for project management). The Reserve Funds can be easily swamped by Murphy's Law.

3. An operating reserve account isn't a bad idea but the dollars in it shouldn't reach close to levels of the Reserve Fund. This account is perfect for expenses that are slightly bigger than expected for your monthly operating budget yet don't rise to the level or appropriateness of tapping Reserve Funds.

If your HOA board is holding steady dues, conducting capital projects on a methodical basis AND builds a "rainy day/operating money market account," then your dues may, in fact, be too high. That's very rare.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By SheliaH on 05/03/2022 6:35 AM
Posted By JohnT38 on 05/03/2022 5:28 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 05/03/2022 5:08 AM
After Surfside, I'm amazed anyone would think "overfunded reserves" would be a problem.

I wouldn't lower assessments, but hold them at the current amount for a year or two. If the fund is that well funded, consider three years. You could also cut the reserve deposits to half and use the rest on enhancements. Poll the residents first to see what type of improvements they'd like to see and pick the top two or three.


Where do you draw the line on overfunding? 30%, 100%, $400? Do the homeowners get any say in this? If your Reserve Study is reasonably accurate and it is being updated like it should how do you justify arbitrarily over padding your Reserve Funds?

As for Surfside there was no meaningful Reserve Fund at all. That's an entirely different problem. They chose to bury their heads in the sand and the Boards over the years didn't do their jobs.


No significant reserves isn't the only problem with many HOAs. There are HOAs who don't do reserve studies regularly and/or ignore the funding recommendations altogether. It's true the boards at Surfside let things go, but you also saw how the homeowners squashed at special assessments which might not been necessary if....they'd funded the reserves properly from the be.

All of this stuff can lead to underfunded reserves or no reserves at all, so you have to think carefully about this "overfunded" stuff. By the way, you HAVE heard of inflation , haven't you? This fund may be considered overturned now, but you're looking at 2022 prices. When he money's needed five or 10 years from now, it may be a different story and you'll be glad you have all that money.

Hell, prices are going up THIS YEAR because of supply chain issues, increasing gas prices (that's why it seemed the pump wouldn't stop the last time you filled up your car). And depending in where you live, the weather may be a huge issue with more damage from wildfires, more severe tornados, and so on.

There's no perfect answer, but I know life has a strange habit of doing what it do regardless of what you and I think, and sometimes you do your due diligence and shit still happens. I so think there's probably a reasonable compromise somewhere, but it's a matter of NP and the rest of the board running the numbers and considering the pros and cons of their options. Remember, we don't live in that community, so we won't have to live with the consequences.


I don't disagree with anything you've said above. My point is a Board should not just keep jacking up reserves above 100% unless they have done their homework and can offer homeowners an intelligent reason on why they are doing so. Simply stating it's for a 'rainy day' doesn't cut it.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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To be really clear, reserves are NOT a rainy day fund. In fact, they are the exact opposite of a rainy day fund.

Why?

Reserves cover the predictable and known expenses than an association will occur in the future. A playground structure that naturally wears out after 20 years is not a rainy day expense, it's a known and predicted future expense. A roof replacement is not a rainy day event, again, known and predictable.

Rainy day expenditures might be for a surprising windstorm that knocks down a lot of trees. This isn't a reserve expense because it is not known or predictable.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By KellyM3 on 05/03/2022 7:03 AM
An operating reserve account isn't a bad idea
I do not think any operating budget is useful without a "cushion" such as that provided by an operating reserve account.

Another name for an "operating reserve account" is a "contingency fund."

Newbies sometimes refer to this as a "slush fund." This is nonsense. The cushion anticipates variable costs of snow plowing, irrigation water usage, inflation, and other expenses that are not all that foreseeable. Budgeting per se is not an exact science, of course. But doing the best one can to anticipate expenses is an exact science.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
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Excellent responses! Thank you all.

I know how I would vote, but reflexively, what option would most un-engaged homeowners who are not in any financial hardship choose in your opinion?
AugustinD
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Posted By NpB on 05/03/2022 8:41 AM
I know how I would vote, but reflexively, what option would most un-engaged homeowners who are not in any financial hardship choose in your opinion?
They're not engaged. They're indifferent.

I think engaged, financially literate homeowners would simply vote to budget (and so assess) for the coming year so as to make zero contributions to the reserve fund. The following year, review the situation anew.

This assumes your reserve study is fairly recent.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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I would vote for Option 4, not presented above

4) Work on improving the maintenance of the community to restore the condition of the community back to the original intent. Tasks might include replace dead vegetation, irrigation maintenance, entrance monument refresh, and the like

Of course, I don't know your community so maybe this really isn't needed at your place. But I imagine most HOAs can benefit from maintenance spending to improve the aesthetic appearance of the community and make it look sharp again.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 05/03/2022 8:57 AM
I would vote for Option 4, not presented above

4) Work on improving the maintenance of the community to restore the condition of the community back to the original intent. Tasks might include replace dead vegetation, irrigation maintenance, entrance monument refresh, and the like
...

IMO, the things you listed would/could/should be reserve items (if part of the reserve study) ... replacing dead vegetation, irrigation maintenance, and entrance monument refresh (assuming this equates to maintenance/repair of what exists as opposed to some sort of enhancement/improvement).
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By AugustinD on 05/03/2022 8:30 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 05/03/2022 7:03 AM
An operating reserve account isn't a bad idea
I do not think any operating budget is useful without a "cushion" such as that provided by an operating reserve account.

Another name for an "operating reserve account" is a "contingency fund."

Newbies sometimes refer to this as a "slush fund." This is nonsense. The cushion anticipates variable costs of snow plowing, irrigation water usage, inflation, and other expenses that are not all that foreseeable. Budgeting per se is not an exact science, of course. But doing the best one can to anticipate expenses is an exact science.

Last fall I had a Town Hall meeting, with one of the agenda items being to explain next year's budget. At some point the conversation came to what happens if we are over or under budget, and one of the more active residents actually asked how it is possible to spend anything other than exactly the budgeted amount, "After all, there is a budget. That's all you can spend."

I tried pointing out that even in a mature community it is impossible to know exactly how much will be spent in each category, but in our case - with five or ten homes being built each month - we will be lucky if we are in the ballpark. She was unconvinced...
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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It might be time to take a look at your reserve study and see what is up for replacing or fixing. Perhaps some pool furniture, update some landscaping. I would stop transferring money from the operating fund
to the reserves for a while. As for rolling back one months assessments, I would not do that. By the way do did not mention how healthy your operating funds are.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
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NpB,
First off you have some great advice from all the regulars here. My only concern is when you mentioned Private Streets. My Ca. HOA had private streets in a 438 SFH community. Our Street maintenance was 250K every time we repaved and every 4 years. That can drastically change your percentages. I am surprised you do not already know what it cost last time for your community. It is not a number that would be easy to forget. Also depending on the age of your community you can expect more things to start to happen. When ours was reaching the 20-year mark in Ca. our 1700 trees that we maintained started attacking owner's sewer lines. This was not in the reserve budget.

I would never suggest lowering the dues. If you raise them a dollar later people swamp your board meeting wanting to know why you are mismanaging your jobs.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By DavidG45 on 05/03/2022 1:07 PM
Last fall I had a Town Hall meeting, with one of the agenda items being to explain next year's budget. At some point the conversation came to what happens if we are over or under budget, and one of the more active residents actually asked how it is possible to spend anything other than exactly the budgeted amount, "After all, there is a budget. That's all you can spend."

I tried pointing out that even in a mature community it is impossible to know exactly how much will be spent in each category, but in our case - with five or ten homes being built each month - we will be lucky if we are in the ballpark. She was unconvinced...
Scary. But perhaps consistent with what I am reading in the papers about the financial illiteracy of darn near everyone.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Say, NpB, if your % funded increases every year, the contributions to reserves are too high. One question might be why? Did a certified reserves analyst or specialist recommend that level of contribution?

One reason might be that certain components cost less than when their replacement cost was estimated. This actually happens, but since most reserves are not 100% funded, the assn. % funded doesn't get too high.

To summarize the founder of a national reserves firm: When an assn. is 100% Funded, that percent funded doesn't change when you spend the estimated amount for a scheduled (Remaining Useful Life = 0 years) reserve project. This is because the amount set aside in reserves exactly matches the planned expenditure at that point in time. But most reserves are 30-70% funded, so expenditures are more than what is set aside for that/those components. Any reserve expenditures, then, lowers the % funded.

70-130% funded is considered just fine by these specialists. Until very recently we are about 92% funded--took a a long time to get there. BUT the replacement costs of some major components now underway exceeds the analyst's predictions though they were accurate for years. The problem with our big project right now is inflation. We had inflation built into our reserves for every year. But not, what? 16%! So some elements of some projects are costing way more than estimated. In addition, electricity has gone nuts here and our projects require a lot of it.

I like Michael's point that reserves most certainly are NOT a "rainy day fund" they specifically are funds needed to replace existing common area components based on the estimated replacement cost & estimated life of each. Thus reserves aren't for accidents vandalism, etc. because the estimated life renders those unpredictable. Those events are why associations have insurance.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/03/2022 7:09 PM
Say, NpB, if your % funded increases every year, the contributions to reserves are too high. One question might be why? Did a certified reserves analyst or specialist recommend that level of contribution?

One reason might be that certain components cost less than when their replacement cost was estimated. This actually happens, but since most reserves are not 100% funded, the assn. % funded doesn't get too high.

To summarize the founder of a national reserves firm: When an assn. is 100% Funded, that percent funded doesn't change when you spend the estimated amount for a scheduled (Remaining Useful Life = 0 years) reserve project. This is because the amount set aside in reserves exactly matches the planned expenditure at that point in time. But most reserves are 30-70% funded, so expenditures are more than what is set aside for that/those components. Any reserve expenditures, then, lowers the % funded.

70-130% funded is considered just fine by these specialists. Until very recently we are about 92% funded--took a a long time to get there. BUT the replacement costs of some major components now underway exceeds the analyst's predictions though they were accurate for years. The problem with our big project right now is inflation. We had inflation built into our reserves for every year. But not, what? 16%! So some elements of some projects are costing way more than estimated. In addition, electricity has gone nuts here and our projects require a lot of it.

I like Michael's point that reserves most certainly are NOT a "rainy day fund" they specifically are funds needed to replace existing common area components based on the estimated replacement cost & estimated life of each. Thus reserves aren't for accidents vandalism, etc. because the estimated life renders those unpredictable. Those events are why associations have insurance.

Our reserve contributions have been the same for over 10 years. The reasons why the reserves are increasing is because reserve components are lasting longer than expected or we are not replacing them at the intervals suggested by the reserve study. For example, our two entry gate operators are 20 years old and according to the reserve study, should have been replaced last year. We repair this item as needed instead of replacing.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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NpB,

Vigilance over maintenance will save money over the long term by stretching out the replacement schedule. Nice work.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Ah, thanks, NpB. Our analyst often have two elements to a component: Repair est. cost & RUL and replace est. cost & RUL. Our 20 y.o entry gates are a good example
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Ah, thanks, NpB. Our analyst often has two elements to a component: Repair est. cost & RUL and replace est. cost & RUL. Our 20 y.o entry gates are a good example
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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NbP

When you say you will have to redo your roads but you do not know when and at what cost, it sounds like this expense is not in your Reserve Study. Am I wrong? I hope so.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
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Posted By JohnC46 on 05/04/2022 12:42 PM
NbP

When you say you will have to redo your roads but you do not know when and at what cost, it sounds like this expense is not in your Reserve Study. Am I wrong? I hope so.

This expense (roads) is in our 2019 reserve study and it's anticipated to be completed in 2033. The analyst anticipated inflation would be 3% a year. Official government inflation figures coupled with high petroleum costs, puts this number likely way higher.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By NpB on 05/04/2022 1:05 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 05/04/2022 12:42 PM
NbP

When you say you will have to redo your roads but you do not know when and at what cost, it sounds like this expense is not in your Reserve Study. Am I wrong? I hope so.


This expense (roads) is in our 2019 reserve study and it's anticipated to be completed in 2033. The analyst anticipated inflation would be 3% a year. Official government inflation figures coupled with high petroleum costs, puts this number likely way higher.


Thus back to your original question. I say keep funding the Reserves. I expect, as you do, the road project will cost a lot mor the planned on.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
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Posted By JohnC46 on 05/04/2022 1:10 PM
Posted By NpB on 05/04/2022 1:05 PM
Posted By JohnC46 on 05/04/2022 12:42 PM
NbP

When you say you will have to redo your roads but you do not know when and at what cost, it sounds like this expense is not in your Reserve Study. Am I wrong? I hope so.


This expense (roads) is in our 2019 reserve study and it's anticipated to be completed in 2033. The analyst anticipated inflation would be 3% a year. Official government inflation figures coupled with high petroleum costs, puts this number likely way higher.



Thus back to your original question. I say keep funding the Reserves. I expect, as you do, the road project will cost a lot mor the planned on.

That is my thought too, as who knows how perpetual current inflation numbers and current high petroleum costs will be.

I like the idea suggested previously about a one month dues holiday around December, because that gives the Board options depending on how the year went financially, whether or not its prudent.

I just don't know how appreciated it will be by the members or if some might view it as a political stunt, kind of like politicians and candidates in the non-HOA world conducting free gas giveaways.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
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NpB,
I am not one that usually questions reserve study guidance. I do find it hard to believe that any standard roadways would have 15 years without major repairs along the way. As I mentioned before our streets in my old Ca. HOA were resurfaced every 3 years and patching which has a better name that I cannot recall was done in between. This is the asphalt strips that are found in streets.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
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Posted By MarkM19 on 05/04/2022 1:17 PM
NpB,
I am not one that usually questions reserve study guidance. I do find it hard to believe that any standard roadways would have 15 years without major repairs along the way. As I mentioned before our streets in my old Ca. HOA were resurfaced every 3 years and patching which has a better name that I cannot recall was done in between. This is the asphalt strips that are found in streets.

We do crack-sealing and seal-coating every 3 to 4 years.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By MarkM19 on 05/04/2022 1:17 PM
NpB,
I am not one that usually questions reserve study guidance. I do find it hard to believe that any standard roadways would have 15 years without major repairs along the way. As I mentioned before our streets in my old Ca. HOA were resurfaced every 3 years and patching which has a better name that I cannot recall was done in between. This is the asphalt strips that are found in streets.

Asphalt REPLACEMENT is generally done after 30 years and many times is not listed on a reserve study. Maintenance, such as slurry coating, stripping is done on a regular basis and should be itemized in the study.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By MarkM19 on 05/03/2022 2:37 PM
NpB,
First off you have some great advice from all the regulars here. My only concern is when you mentioned Private Streets. My Ca. HOA had private streets in a 438 SFH community. Our Street maintenance was 250K every time we repaved and every 4 years. That can drastically change your percentages. I am surprised you do not already know what it cost last time for your community. It is not a number that would be easy to forget. Also depending on the age of your community you can expect more things to start to happen. When ours was reaching the 20-year mark in Ca. our 1700 trees that we maintained started attacking owner's sewer lines. This was not in the reserve budget.

I would never suggest lowering the dues. If you raise them a dollar later people swamp your board meeting wanting to know why you are mismanaging your jobs.

Repave every four years, I think that is quite excessive and overkill. Maybe reseal the asphalt, for us that is about every seven years, fill in the cracks as needed.
ThadC2 (Florida)
Posts: 820
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some states REQUIRE excess funds to be refunded to home owners.
my guess is most HOA's use the excess funds to fund their wastefull porkbarell projects, at least that is what mine did.

do the right thign and reduce dues, that is the only correct answer.
SteveH35 (Washington)
Posts: 339
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Posted By ThadC2 on 05/06/2022 10:38 AM
some states REQUIRE excess funds to be refunded to home owners.
my guess is most HOA's use the excess funds to fund their wastefull porkbarell projects, at least that is what mine did.

do the right thign and reduce dues, that is the only correct answer.

Thad's reply seems to be the only one to address statutory requirements in certain states (and in certain governing documents) to refund surplus member income. There are many hypothetical avenues to discuss related to spending CIC funds, but what matters most of all is the *AMOUNT* of surplus. BTW, surplus member income is tracked as retained earnings (RE) on your balance sheet. Our CIC refunded owners two years ago because we had amassed a $70,000 surplus from the prior year. Our declaration restatement requires that we return surpluses in excess of 3.5% of our annual budget and allows the Board to make a decision if the surplus is less than that amount.

EXAMPLE: RCW 64.90.475 - Accounts and Records - (similar in many ways to RCW 64.34.356 - Surplus Funds)

(1) The association must establish and maintain its accounts and records in a manner that will enable it to credit assessments for common expenses and specially allocated expenses, including allocations to reserves, and other income to the association, and to charge expenditures, to the account of the appropriate units in accordance with the provisions of the declaration.

(2) To assure that the unit owners are correctly assessed for the actual expenses of the association, the accounts of the association must be reconciled at least annually unless the board determines that a reconciliation would not result in a material savings to any unit owner. Unless provided otherwise in the declaration, any surplus funds of the association remaining after the payment of or provision for common expenses and any prepayment of reserves must be paid annually to the unit owners in proportion to their common expense liabilities or credited to them to reduce their future common expense assessments.

Here's an entire page devoted to surplus funds if you'd like more information: https://www.(LINK-NOT-ALLOWED-PER-POSTING-RULES)/governance/surplus-funds

Regards,
Steve
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
If only one owner is advocating for a dues lowering, can one reasonably conclude that most residents are satisfied with the monthly dues?

What could be the motivation behind one owner advocating for lowering dues? If outwardly only 1 owner will be joyful over it, then what's the benefit of enacting something the overwhelming majority of owners have never complained about?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Reserve studies should be adjusted every year.

If this hasn't been done, I would strongly suggest this gets done prior to considering any other alternative.

In my old Association, once our roads were repaved I calculated a huge surplus (because we started putting money in reserves too late). I recommended adjusting assessments accordingly. The board that took over did not want to lower assessments because they had projects they wanted done.

I do not know what happened.
I suspect the assessments kept increasing.

AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
NpB, is this a condominium? If so, Arizona statutes speak of condominium budgets and assessments at length, including that budgets are to be adapted annually; that, depending, budgets may have to be ratified by owners; that budgets have to be disclosed to buyers; and that "assessments shall be made at least annually, based on a budget adopted at least annually by the association."

When an owner asks that the board lower the assessment, I think the proper course is for the Board to thank the owner for the input, and then respond that the board's hands are tied by Arizona statutes: The board sets the budget, and the budget then determines the assessment.
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
AugustinD: This is a planned community.

I do not know about anyone's personal financial situation in the HOA. Zero owners are in arrears on assessments, so somehow they can afford the $200 per month dues. I don't think a $25 per month dues decrease will be that meaningful for most owners.
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 462
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpB on 09/17/2022 9:36 AM
AugustinD: This is a planned community.

I do not know about anyone's personal financial situation in the HOA. Zero owners are in arrears on assessments, so somehow they can afford the $200 per month dues. I don't think a $25 per month dues decrease will be that meaningful for most owners.

NpB, you might have missed it, but it's worth spending some time going over your reserve study with a fine toothed comb and trying to see that the factors used to determine your reserves are correct. In ours:

- The mailbox cost estimated cost of replacement per the study was 50% of the actual cost of replacement
- The study said we had 20 cluster mail box units when we actually have 24
- The study found we had 3 irrigation wells when we actually have 4
- The playground estimated cost of replacement was 50% the actual cost of replacement
- Much mechanical equipment is not included in the reserve study, leading to having to pay for replacement of failures out of operating

I'm working on getting it fixed but it will probably take 5 years to get it updated to reflect reality.

Strongly encourage you to do the same.
AugustinD
Posts: 1,027
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpB on 09/17/2022 9:36 AM
AugustinD: This is a planned community.
Arizona statutes require planned communities to provide a copy of the current budget to prospective buyers.

And come on: Do the Bylaws have a requirement for the budget?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I've never liked the term "overfunded reserves" because people never seem to take inflation into consideration. Your fund may look "overfunded" now, but you're looking at it based on 2022 costs. You don't know where the economy will be 5 or 10 years from now when the money will be needed. Today's excess may be precisely the amount you need or not enough.

You say you haven't raised fees in the last five years so I suppose you can keep doing that. You could also reduce the amount allocated for reserves and use the rest for enhancements. However, you should remember the enhancements need to ge maintained and it may or may not cost more to do it because of the type of material, size of the enhancements, etc.

You could also start building some sort of contingency reserve that would be used if there was s budget shortfall instead of dipping into reserves (that's not what they're for, but too many HOA boards use them as a sort of slush fund). There could be tax implications, so be sure to discuss this with your association accountant. You'll also need a policy indicating when the reserves would be used to prevent waste and mismanagement.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
AugustinD: Yes, the Bylaws indicate a budget needs to be approved each year. Past and present Boards have been historically frugal and expenses have come in under buget, hence the great positive reserves.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/new-miami-dade-law-makes-condo-structural-safety-reports-public-after-surfside-collapse/

seems like the surside disaster has created new laws about engineering and structural safety reports.

vis ta vie

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