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JillJ4
Posts: 29
Posted:
Do any of you have actual rules for your HOA Annual meetings??
We are a new board trying to improve our community and I am thinking that we should have a few rules in place prior to our HOA annual meetings.

example:
*No unruly, rude, disrespectful behaviors will be tolerated
*Be respectful of all members
*Don't over talk everyone else

etc....
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What is on the ann. mtg. agenda, which may be required by your Bylaws or in your state that makes you think there'll be trouble??

Btw, what size is your HOA? How many are on the Board? If this will be an election, must members (owners) vote in person at the meeting? Who is required to count the ballots? Mya owners observe the tabulation?
JillJ4
Posts: 29
Posted:
We have a total of 24 townhomes, 5 on the board which were all just elected this month.

We have member that is going to be making trouble no matter what we do. He has already filed a lawsuit again the association which was dismissed but now wants the HOA to pay legal fees, etc. Long story....anyway, we had to set some ground rules for our 1st board meeting otherwise he would have stole the whole meeting with his wining and complaining, etc. This new board wants to make a difference and we want to do things the right way but some people will just never be happy no matter how hard we try.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By JillJ4 on 04/28/2022 11:24 AM
Do any of you have actual rules for your HOA Annual meetings??
We are a new board trying to improve our community and I am thinking that we should have a few rules in place prior to our HOA annual meetings.

example:
*No unruly, rude, disrespectful behaviors will be tolerated
*Be respectful of all members
*Don't over talk everyone else

etc....
Absolutely set some reasonable rules.

If you ask, I am sure this "crowd sourced" forum can offer a number of rules, particularly in anticipation of the (apparent) jerk you describe.
JillJ4
Posts: 29
Posted:
We would LOVE some suggestions for rules! :-)
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Easiest way to control the annual meeting is to hold it via Zoom. Set an agenda. Create a powerpoint presentation. Decide your meeting rules. If anyone breaks the rules, then put them on mute or send them back to the waiting room.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Aug's First Whack at Rules for the Annual Meeting:

-- [Review the governing documents for any requirements they may have for annual meetings, and quote these verbatim first. Check that none of the following conflicts with the governing documents.]

-- The President of the Association presides at the Annual Meeting. The Board does not preside.

-- Open forum will occur one-half hour before the meeting begins. After the meeting ends, a second open forum will be offered. Motions may not be made during the open forum.

-- During the meeting itself, owners may speak only to topics on the agenda.

-- To be recognized to speak, raise your hand. When the President recognizes you, then, and only then, may you speak aloud and address the membership.

-- Except for "advisory motions," motions that were not presented on the agenda are prohibited. This is because the purpose of notice is to allow owners to decide whether to attend or not. This practice is pursuant to conventional rules of parliamentary procedure.

-- Owners may speak up to two minutes on a topic, both at the open forums and at the meeting itself. If the President agrees more time is appropriate, then more time may be granted.

-- If an Owner wishes to propose an "advisory motion," then she or he may do so. An "advisory motion" is a motion recommending that the board take a certain action. Such a motion is not legally binding on the board. Nonethelss, sometimes such "advisory motions" can help the board in its decision-making.

-- The President shall strive to be fair and hear all sides on any issue.

-- Owners are asked to strive to be fair as well and be respectful of others' opinions.

-- Disruptive behavior and shouting may result in ejection from the meeting.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
That's a great start and I think they should apply to all meetings, not just the annual. Here are a few more (some I borrowed from Kerri)

Raise your hand if you want to speak. When the president (or another presiding officer) recognizes you, stand up and state your name and address (or how long you've lived in the community) before you make your comments.

Comments/questions will be limited to two (2) minutes in order to give everyone a chance to speak. When everyone has spoken, you may raise your hand again to make additional statements IF there's still time during the resident forum

Please turn off your cell phone and keep them off or on vibrate during the meeting. If you receive a call, leave the room to answer it so you don't interrupt the proceedings.

Anyone behaving in an inappropriate manner will be asked to stop. If they refuse, they will be asked to leave (and if necessary, be escorted out)

You may also want to modify your rules a bit to cover virtual meetings like Zoom. Some people may also want to record the proceedings, which is a whole 'nother issue (just look at some of the current/closed conversations regarding that issue). Talk to your association attorney about what you can and can't do - in some instances, it may be easier to record the virtual meetings and post them to your website at a later date

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
But, Jill, do you wan rule suggestions for board meetings, then? I got lost.

Do your bylaws or MN statutes s require an owners open forum at board meetings?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Best suggestion: Always make sure your Beer or Wine is the right temperature when you get home... If you don't drink, you may want to start...

Seriously, our Articles of Incorporation had a list of the agenda to follow/cover in each meeting. Sticking to that agenda is the best way to make it through.

Keep in mind this is a BOARD meeting. Even if your state allows for "OPEN" meetings it's BOARD first and foremost. You can open up the floor after. Otherwise, members are welcome to just come in to listen in and view the proceedings.

A HOA is also NOT a protective bubble. Don't fear calling the police if need be. You are ALL neighbors. So you got to live with each other...

Former HOA President
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/28/2022 3:17 PM
Best suggestion: Always make sure your Beer or Wine is the right temperature when you get home... If you don't drink, you may want to start...

Seriously, our Articles of Incorporation had a list of the agenda to follow/cover in each meeting. Sticking to that agenda is the best way to make it through.

Keep in mind this is a BOARD meeting. Even if your state allows for "OPEN" meetings it's BOARD first and foremost. You can open up the floor after. Otherwise, members are welcome to just come in to listen in and view the proceedings.

A HOA is also NOT a protective bubble. Don't fear calling the police if need be. You are ALL neighbors. So you got to live with each other...

Nonsense! An Annual Meeting is NOT, I repeat, NOT a Board meeting!
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
Posted:
Melissa is 100% wrong saying that the annual meeting is a Board meeting. It is not in any shape or fashion.

I wonder if she will admit she is wrong?

If not, I wonder if the owner of the site will censure her for giving blatantly wrong information?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In this case, Melissa is right in saying board meeting because the OP wrote: "we had to set some ground rules for our 1st board meeting otherwise he would have stole the whole meeting ..." I hope she will clarify what kind of meeting she wants rules for.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 04/28/2022 7:36 PM
In this case, Melissa is right in saying board meeting because the OP wrote: "we had to set some ground rules for our 1st board meeting otherwise he would have stole the whole meeting ..." I hope she will clarify what kind of meeting she wants rules for.

The topic was HOA Annual Meeting Rules. Her first post and the question everyone should be replying to "Do any of you have actual rules for your HOA Annual meetings??"

So, no Mellisa was WRONG!
BancsS
Posts: 269
Posted:
In my previous HOA, the Board met after the annual meeting. Iowa is not an open meeting state, so members were shooed out after annual meeting business took place. Rules seems appropriate for both in some cases. Kind of sad isn't it that written rules have to be stated for adults to behave themselves.

My particular HOA didn't have rules for either meeting but the annual meeting was typically respectful with some lively discussion at times. I can't speak for the behaviors at board meetings because I was never allowed to attend one.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The last time I checked board members were present at annual meetings. Each HOA is different. However, we elected BOARD members at our annual meeting. After board elected we then elected from the board who got what office position.

So if you do not want to call it a board meeting that is your right. However, considering how some HOA operate the board is still present at the meeting.

How else are the meeting notes and who presides if no board present?

Former HOA President
BancsS
Posts: 269
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/29/2022 6:08 AM
The last time I checked board members were present at annual meetings. Each HOA is different. However, we elected BOARD members at our annual meeting. After board elected we then elected from the board who got what office position.

So if you do not want to call it a board meeting that is your right. However, considering how some HOA operate the board is still present at the meeting.

How else are the meeting notes and who presides if no board present?

Melissa, there is a distinct difference. You are taking liberties with your language. You know as well as everyone that the Board attends the ANNUAL MEETING.

Go ahead and make your argument as I know you will but it will make no sense. I'm often puzzled about the world you live in.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It makes no sense to me why am annual meeting has to be conducted so differently that common sense no longer applies.

Former HOA President
BancsS
Posts: 269
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/29/2022 6:38 AM
It makes no sense to me why am annual meeting has to be conducted so differently that common sense no longer applies.

I can't even imagine how your meetings were conducted, board or annual when you were president but whatever worked for your community. Who am I to say. I'm one who prefers some professional standards. I am going to make a presumption here, that most HOATalk posters prefer that as well.
BancsS
Posts: 269
Posted:
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Posted By BancsS on 04/29/2022 7:06 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/29/2022 6:38 AM
It makes no sense to me why am annual meeting has to be conducted so differently that common sense no longer applies.


I can't even imagine how your meetings were conducted, board or annual when you were president but whatever worked for your community. Who am I to say. I'm one who prefers some professional standards. I am going to make a presumption here, that most HOATalk posters prefer that as well.

Of course behaviors at both meetings should be respectful and if it takes a written set of rules so be it. I was making the point that board meetings and annual meetings are not the same. My interpretation of your posts was that you did not make that distinction. If I misinterpreted, my apologies. HOA boards have certain responsibilities that members do not. These responsibilities require some different procedures for conducting HOA business.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Well considering I followed what was in our Articles of Incorporation on how to hold meetings...

We were never over that formal as only meeting showed most interest in was elections. It usually same people on the board every year but with a spouse swap out. No need to overthink it.

Former HOA President
JeanI (Louisiana)
Posts: 112
Posted:
The Annual Meeting is a meeting of the members, not the board. Our Bylaws spell out the agenda and the Board president presides at the meeting and is expected to follow the agenda. The board secretary takes the minutes but no other board members are involved in the presentation of the meeting.
JeanI (Louisiana)
Posts: 112
Posted:
Melissa, the Articles of Incorporation do not set out the rules for board meetings. Do you have bylaws? They dictate the requirements for a board meeting and a members meeting.
LisaB21 (Texas)
Posts: 97
Posted:
If you truly expect someone to cause trouble at the Annual Meeting of Homeowners, it is a good idea to find an off duty police officer (or hire one) to just be in attendance and stand at the back of the room.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jill start this conversation as they/she are intimidated by one owner and are looking to control that one owner especially. Let us suggest how they do that.

First, establish when an owner(s) can talk versus let them interrupt whenever they want to.

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