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TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Florida - BOD had attorney write an amendment granting the power of the BoD to enter into contract without Membership approval. Amendment was filed withe County, however, notification to the membership has not been mailed via USPS or e-mail (if parcel owner consented to e-mail notifications).

Is this legal?

If it is not, what Florida Statute applies?

Also, 501c laws are being broken by promoting gambling at the community clubhouse. If the IRS is notified, is there any expectation that a cease and desist or other notification will be issued to the BoD?

Thank you
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I'm surprised such an amendment was even necessary. Boards always enter into contracts without homeowner approval - it's how corporations work.

I suppose it's possible some bylaws have an exception to this, but I've never heard of one in any HOA or COA. Some other form of community association, maybe...

As for HOAs being covered under IRS 501c, the vast majority are not because they're not social welfare organizations. They are non-profit corporations, but they pay taxes.

And you'll need to define what you mean by "gambling" and "promoting".
TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Prior to the change in Amendment, we were a self-managed community. A new BoD came in, forcing old members off so they would have the Board votes to hire a management company to take over.

The community expressed their rejection of this idea and the BoD moved ahead with the change but did not and has not notified the community of the change.

"Gambling" is occurring as defined in FS 849.0935...dice games, scratch offs etc. The promoting has taken place on Next-door app and in several consecutive Newsletters and emails
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We aren't attorneys, and since we're from different states, what's true in yours may be wrong in mine and not addressed at all in a third.

That said, step one for you is to read your documents - start with the bylaws, which usually dictate how the association is to be run. That's where you'll find the powers of the board. You'll also find instructions regarding amending documents like the bylaws.

Usually you do need homeowner approval to amend the documents, so if the board didn't do that, you and like minded neighbors should get together to consider your options. The best might be to hold a special homeowners meeting to discuss all this and compel the board to explain themselves. This may lead to a recall vote, but you'd better have homeowners ready to step up and take over (including YOU, if necessary).

As far as the gambling is concerned, how do you know that's what's going on? It could be a charity event (there are ways to do it, but you may need to run it past your local prosecutor's office to be sure).

If someone's running some sort of gambling operation, it may be a matter of calling police so they can investigate and you don't need to contact the IRS (they'll get involved sooner or later anyway).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I put the state in my post to hopefully have someone from Florida reply. I'm not saying the Amendment to the Article was improper, I'm saying they did not adhere to FS 720 306(1)(g) since notice was not provided to parcel owners of the change.

I know for certain the gaming was not for "charity" again, our HOA is a 501c(4) and there are strict raffle rules to maintain this status

Thanks
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
A lot of this could be fine, or it could be a problem.

Re: the new board, new directors don't force the old ones off. It sounds like you had an election and the new board members, who had an agenda, had enough support from the community to get themselves elected. That's exactly how it's supposed to work.

Re: management companies, many homeowners object to having one because they don't want to pay for it - but they're also nowhere to be found when it's time to do the work.

There is some overlap between board skills and management skills, but there are differences too. Hiring a pro to do what the board isn't good at is sensible.

And serving on the board is time-consuming without management duties thrown on top. If the board members don't have enough time, then things won't get done. So hiring a professional manager is sensible for this reason as well.

A very small community with no amenities is probably suited for self management, but this community doesn't sound like one of those.

As far as the gambling goes, who knows... There are plenty of church festivals that offer similar games with prizes, and as far as I know they're not breaking the law or running afoul of the IRS. I think a lot will depend on the details, including whether the games are only open to community members.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
I'm in Florida, and our by-laws allow us to amend the by-laws with just a vote of the board. To amend the declaration we need a vote of the membership, but for the by-laws, rules and regs and ARC rules the board can do it themselves.

So it is entirely possible that you by-laws have that also and your board made changes, voted on them, and had them recorded by the attorney.

As for the gambling, bingo is allowed under Florida law. If they are allowing othe types of gambling then that MIGHT be an issue. Maybe the board is unaware that it is illegal so you could put them on notice. Who is getting the proceeds? Is the association raising money this way or are they allowing private games? All this makes a difference. I guess my other question is why are you so offended by it? Are you concerned that the state might crack down on the association? Or are you just offended that they are breaking a rule?

TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I'm offended by criminality and losing 501c 4 status of our community. Are you judging? I thought this was a forum.

There are no charities involved it's a party with booze and fistful of cash and lottery scratchoffs

Lol
TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I'm offended by criminality and losing 501c 4 status of our community. Are you judging? I thought this was a forum.

There are no charities involved it's a party with booze and fistful of cash and lottery scratchoffs

Lol
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By TinaA2 on 04/27/2022 5:17 AM
I put the state in my post to hopefully have someone from Florida reply. I'm not saying the Amendment to the Article was improper, I'm saying they did not adhere to FS 720 306(1)(g) since notice was not provided to parcel owners of the change.
You're wonderful for citing the statute section you think may have been violated. I read FS 720, FS 718 (for condos) and FS 617 (nonprofit corporation act) a lot.

Please look at FS 720.306 (1) (b). The latter states inter alia:

Within 30 days after recording an amendment to the governing documents, the association shall provide copies of the amendment to the members. ... The failure to timely provide notice of the recording of the amendment does not affect the validity or enforceability of the amendment.

See http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0720/Sections/0720.306.html

You could ask the HOA to provide notice, pursuant to FS 720.306. But if the HOA does not, then I think you have a hard battle ahead to make this failure count for anything.

Regarding possible violations of the Internal Revenue Code and Florida gambling laws: The IRS site of course has forms you can complete to fill out suspected violations by nonprofits. You seem studious, and this gives any report of a violation a better chance. You can always try. Maybe start a new thread on the topic of reporting a HOA for violations of the IRC, and I will give this my best effort. Caveat: As you probably know, the IRS remains incredibly backed up now on account of Congress's marching orders to it for pandemic relief. Even before the pandemic, the IRS had a hard time getting to reports of violations of the tax code by nonprofits.

Do you think gambling laws are also being broken? I see Florida recently (like the past three months) established the Florida Gaming Control Commission (pursuant to law passed in 2021). I cannot turn up any contact information for the Commission at this time, though.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By TinaA2 on 04/27/2022 6:37 AM
I'm offended by criminality and losing 501c 4 status of our community. Are you judging? I thought this was a forum.

Lol

I doubt that your HOA is a 501(c)(4). As I'd said earlier, HOAs are not social welfare organizations. They exist for the benefit of their members only, not the public at large. "501(c)(4)' is NOT the same as "non-profit".

Here's what the IRS has to say:

https://www.irs.gov/government-entities/irc-section-501c4-homeowners-associations

Quote:

"a homeowners' association described under Section 501(c)(4) is required to be operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare by primarily promoting the common good and general welfare of the people of the community. Homeowners associations by their very nature benefit certain individuals, typically their members. Weighing whether benefits flow primarily to the general public rather than certain individuals is an essential part of determining whether a homeowners' association qualifies for exemption as an IRC Section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization."

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
This forum has seen a number of reports of HOAs being 501(c)(4) organizations. The status of 501(c)(4) for a HOA is unusual but not unheard of. To me, there's no question that a small fraction of HOAs do routinely complete whatever paperwork is required to maintain 501(c)(4) status. I believe there are even attorneys specialized in getting a HOA converted to this status, if circumstances sufficiently support doing so.

Though since this is so rare, I think it's certainly worth asking anyone here who claims their HOA is a 501(c)(4) organization to make sure they have their facts correct.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By TinaA2 on 04/27/2022 6:37 AM
I'm offended by criminality and losing 501c 4 status of our community. Are you judging? I thought this was a forum.

There are no charities involved it's a party with booze and fistful of cash and lottery scratchoffs

Lol



Yes, this is a forum, which means people agree or disagree all the time.

You said there are "fistfuls of cash" and lottery scratch-offs at the clubhouse, but haven't said how long this has been going on, is this a daily or weekly thing, etc., and that can make a difference.

I just Googled this article on gambling in Florida: https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/state/2021/05/11/gambling-florida-whats-legal-whats-not/4971523001/ Here's a paragraph that may explain (or not) what's going on in the clubhouse:

"Can my friends and I play cards for money in Florida?
Yes, as long as you keep the pot small.

Gambling for big bucks in games of chance at unlicensed locations, such as your kitchen table, are a second-degree misdemeanor. But the state does allow penny-ante games. Penny-ante games are defined as "a game or series of games of poker, pinochle, bridge, rummy, canasta, hearts, dominoes, or mah-jongg in which the winnings of any player in a single round, hand, or game do not exceed $10 in value."

Also, the person running the game can't charge for it and the game must be held in a home owned or rented by one of the players, or the common recreational area of a college dormitory or a publicly-owned center."

I then googled second degree misdemenor in Florida - the punishment can be up to 60 days in jail and/or six months probation and a $500 fine. Misdemeanors are usually things like driving with a suspended license - think of them as a more expensive traffic ticket. In my state, there are alternative sentencing programs that can knock these down to an infraction or the charges get dismissed altogether, depending on the terms of a plea agreement.

Now, some prosecutors will pursue this, but others won't because frankly, there's not a lot of money in it. Friends who've worked for the prosecutor's office in this state told me when they got complaints like this it was usually because someone lost some money or thought they were cheated, or were kicked out of the game for whatever reason, and then they got mad and decided to bust everyone. I'm not saying you don't have a problem, but since this is in the community clubhouse, whoever's sponsoring this had to get permission to rent it out. Perhaps you could ask the board if they're aware of gambling going on - they might not know and rescind the rental agreement after an investigation.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Monthly. Games of chance and as previously stated, unscratched lottery tickets

Google Raffles and Games of Chance Becker Law
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By TinaA2 on 04/27/2022 4:34 AM
"Gambling" is occurring as defined in FS 849.0935...dice games, scratch offs etc. The promoting has taken place on Next-door app and in several consecutive Newsletters and emails
From https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/exempt-organization-gaming-and-unrelated-business-taxable-income:


Analysis
Gaming is a recreational activity and, if conducted for a profit, a trade or business. Gaming includes bingo, beano, raffles, lotteries, pull-tabs, scratch-offs, pari-mutuel betting, Calcutta wagering, pickle jars, punchboards, tip boards, tip jars, certain video games, and other games of chance.

Gaming is also a common type of fundraising engaged in by tax-exempt organizations. In addition, many types of organizations conduct gaming in furtherance of social or recreational purposes. Gaming is normally regulated by state and local law in the jurisdiction in which the activity occurs.

Most gaming, if regularly carried on for profit, is an unrelated trade or business activity, which may produce unrelated business taxable income (UBTI). As with other unrelated trade or business activities, the fact that an organization uses the proceeds from its gaming to pay for its exempt purpose programs does not make the gaming activity related to its exempt purposes. Therefore, gaming income received by exempt organizations is treated as UBTI, unless a specific exception applies.

...

501(c)(4) Organizations
IRC Section 501(c)(4) organizations promote social welfare. Gaming is considered both a business and a recreational activity; it does not ordinarily promote social welfare. If it is the primary activity of a social welfare organization, it may jeopardize the organization’s exempt status. If not a primary activity, the gaming income will be UBTI unless an exclusion or exception applies.

Gaming may be considered a social welfare activity in very limited situations for IRC Section 501(c)(4) organizations. For example, a volunteer fire company exempt under Section 501(c)(4) providing gaming for the firefighters (not the public) promotes camaraderie, which in turn encourages better performance of the department, thus promoting social welfare. Gaming activities conducted in this manner would be related to exempt purpose and would not generate any UBTI [Unrelated business, taxable income]. Rev. Rul. 74-361


More food for thought appears here:
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/special-irs-gambling-rules-nonprofits.html

To file a complaint, alleging tax code violations, to the IRS about a 501(c) organization, see https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/divulge_all_suspected_tax_exempt_status_abuses_to_the_irs.pdf

TinaA2, do others feel as you do? Perhaps the best, most time-efficient way to address an undesirable HOA activity or Board decision is by trying to change the makeup of the board.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Ok, it's monthly and there are games of chance and unscratched lottery tickets - so how long has this been going on, whos sponsoring this, does that person collect the money and where does it go? And you STILL haven't said if you've discussed any of this with the board. If you're really worried about something illegal going on, file a police report and see what happens.

Get that question answered first and then you can ask the association attorney about the HOA's 501C status and if it might be put at risk for this.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Thank you. Yes I was just being mindful of t's being crossed. I did see the part of the statute indicating that it doesn't nullify the Amendment,that's ok...It's more about the communicating to the community as opposed to operating in a bubble or echo chamber of ideas and autonomous of the membership
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TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
It absolutely is a 501c (4)
TinaA2 (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Thank you... will be bringing it up to BOD
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Posted By TinaA2 on 04/27/2022 6:37 AM
I'm offended by criminality and losing 501c 4 status of our community. Are you judging? I thought this was a forum.

There are no charities involved it's a party with booze and fistful of cash and lottery scratchoffs

Lol

I wasn't judging. I was just interested in why this was a hot spot for you. I don't gamble or drink so I don't have opinions on it at all.

However, I'm not sure the state would see lottery scratchoffs as gambling since it's state sponsored gambling. Cash prizes, unless a couple of hundred dollars for bingo, could be a problem.

We do have bingo (and bring your own drinks) at our clubhouse every month. We also have card games in our card room. But no one is there to monitor the card games so if they play for a cash jackpot - who knows?

If you really believe your HOA is breaking the law by this, I would first send a letter to the board citing the statute they are breaking so that you are giving them notice to correct. Then if that doesn't happen, go ahead and report to the IRS. You have every right to do that.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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Can you cite a source that says gambling necessarily jeopardizes your 501c status?

From what I have read, a 501c organization MAY be required to pay taxes on gambling revenues if it is deemed unrelated to their normal business. I could not find anything that says it puts their 501c status at risk unless gaming becomes their primary purpose.

Even if there is illegal gaming occurring on HOA premises, I do not think there is much risk to the HOA unless they are promoting it. Even then, it would probably fall on the individuals promoting it since it is a criminal charge.
BenA2 (Texas)
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Posted By BenA2 on 04/27/2022 11:37 AM
Can you cite a source that says gambling necessarily jeopardizes your 501c status?

From what I have read, a 501c organization MAY be required to pay taxes on gambling revenues if it is deemed unrelated to their normal business. I could not find anything that says it puts their 501c status at risk unless gaming becomes their primary purpose.

Even if there is illegal gaming occurring on HOA premises, I do not think there is much risk to the HOA unless they are promoting it. Even then, it would probably fall on the individuals promoting it since it is a criminal charge.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/exempt-organization-gaming-and-unrelated-business-taxable-income

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