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SteveM40 (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Our community was built by two developers (WCI then Lennar) and the second developer installed landscaping only on the front of the homes, leaving the sides and rear with no plantings. The first developer installed extensive landscaping on all four sides of the home and included it in the purchase price. To reduce the disparity, the HOA arranged for a greatly reduced cost per plant that included the sod removal, installation, mulch, and any irrigation modifications necessary. A good number of homes took advantage of the offer, and we called it a neighborhood beautification program.

My question is how to address the homes that did nothing and continue to look stark and devoid of any greenery along the remaining perimeter of the home.

Our documents have all the usual language on aesthetically pleasing and maintained properties, and extensive ARC guidelines to cover any exterior landscaping or building modifications. We have a phrase that references homes must be maintained to community wide standards, with no definition as to those standards. We clearly can require maintenance of existing home and landscaping, but have nothing to suggest we can require additional landscaping.

Could the Board pass a minimum landscaping requirement that dictates, for instance, the corner 10 feet and rear of the homes must be landscaped? As Board Secretary, my concern is if we have the authority to pass such a measure. I'll all in favor of the end result, more aesthetically pleasing conformity throughout the community. I know the best path is to hold a member vote to authorize the Board to implement a minimum landscaping policy. Short of that, could or should the Board proceed with voting to approve the document and enforcing the policy. I'm reluctant to follow that path without confidence we could win this in court if a homeowner refused to comply.

Thanks in advance for all opinions. Please do not focus on the developers, each fairly priced homes for a target audience and sales were brisk for both.

Steve
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is going to sound a bit "crazy" but... when my ex built his house it was the MORTGAGE company that required a certain amount of landscaping. Before he could close on his loan he had to have sod to just the back corners of his home. The back yard did not require sod. It could be "seeded". So we spent a few hours laying sod in his front yard one weekend.

Since you have 2 different and separate builders, they may also have different mortgage companies. Those having different details for purchase/closing. Hence why one has it all sodded and the other not. Once the owners take over the HOA, maybe can adapt the rules for consistency across the board. Meaning atleast must have certain type of grass/plantings.

My HOA has 2 builders too. They both do different landscaping. We were required to have a tree in front yard. The other place has rocks for border. It's kind of going to be hard to get consistency but at miminum recognize what both required.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Whatever actions the board takes need to have their foundation in the governing documents. You're right to be concerned about overstepping and what options you'd have available to you if homeowners won't comply. I assume the lots are owned by individual owners, not the association as with condos. If your declaration is silent on landscaping and you don't have anything in the declaration or bylaws that would allow the board to change this

It seems like you've already taken the most reasonable step, which was to arrange with a local firm to provide landscaping to those without plantings. You could try that again with the homes that still don't have anything, maybe a very basic package at a lower price and see if you get any takers.

One thing you should think about is that people who aren't doing this may have stretched financially to buy their homes and they just don't have the money to spare. Better a bare yard than missed assessments, I think. And these folks are probably unwilling to say that they can't afford it.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Missed a piece:

Whatever actions the board takes need to have their foundation in the governing documents. You're right to be concerned about overstepping and what options you'd have available to you if homeowners won't comply. I assume the lots are owned by individual owners, not the association as with condos. If your declaration is silent on landscaping and you don't have anything in the declaration or bylaws that would allow the board to change this, then it's risky to force the issue.

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
SteveM40, are you a director on the Board (along with also being the Board/HOA Secretary)? Clearly you are an officer (meaning typically President, VP, Treasurer, or Secretary). But depending on what the Bylaws say, an officer is not always a director as well.

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Posted By SteveM40 on 04/17/2022 6:41 PM

Could the Board pass a minimum landscaping requirement that dictates, for instance, the corner 10 feet and rear of the homes must be landscaped? As Board Secretary, my concern is if we have the authority to pass such a measure. I'll all in favor of the end result, more aesthetically pleasing conformity throughout the community. I know the best path is to hold a member vote to authorize the Board to implement a minimum landscaping policy. Short of that, could or should the Board proceed with voting to approve the document and enforcing the policy.
A few observations:

-- As CathyA3 points out, your Board needs to have a basis in the CC&Rs to make such a rule. I doubt there is a solid basis in your HOA's CCRs for such a rule.

-- I have doubts that the CC&RS and Bylaws give the Board the authority to spend the HOA membership's money on individual homes' landscaping. You say the board called it a "neighborhood beautification program." Do your CC&Rs and Bylaws authorize a program like the one you describe and spending money on same?

-- You do realize that the HOA Board instructing a HOA-contracted landscaper to work on individual lots raises liability concerns for the HOA, correct?

-- Your board may need reminding (from say its attorney) that the Board cannot just invent covenants, rules and programs because the board thinks 'it sounds like a good idea.'
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/18/2022 7:06 AM
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-- You do realize that the HOA Board instructing a HOA-contracted landscaper to work on individual lots raises liability concerns for the HOA, correct?

-- Your board may need reminding (from say its attorney) that the Board cannot just invent covenants, rules and programs because the board thinks 'it sounds like a good idea.'

The liability issue was a good catch. I wasn't clear whether the HOA was the landscaper's customer or if the HOA simply arranged for a package deal that homeowners could sign up for and be billed directly by the landscaper. The latter is the proper way to do it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Steve, based on what you said:

Our documents have all the usual language on aesthetically pleasing and maintained properties, and extensive ARC guidelines to cover any exterior landscaping or building modifications. We have a phrase that references homes must be maintained to community wide standards, with no definition as to those standards. We clearly can require maintenance of existing home and landscaping, but have nothing to suggest we can require additional landscaping.

I say there is "wiggle room" to set some minimum standards.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
No the board can't pass anything. Such a requirement needs to be in the CC&R's. Why didn't the declarant put such a covenant in the CC&R's when they were in control?
I'll tell you, they wanted to sell houses and sell them fast. Back when I bought my home my community went through 3 developers. The first one went BK in 2009 a year after construction began.
The second developer only developed half the homes and a third developer brought in to sell the last half when the market got better. Our covenants called for a minimum front yard landscaping that is "maintained"
by the HOA and the rear yard calls for a small minimum amount of plants and at least crushed gravel on the ground not maintained by the HOA. Because of the economic issues from 2009 and the time
people were buying, not everyone had the capital to pay for a lavish backyard so the board said we are not going to fully enforce "this" covenant, Just install crushed gravel in your backyard.

You might have to look at things from a different angle. Here in the desert we are limited on what we can do in our backyards, I would love to have grass, but grass is a no no, and the pavers I like are $8.00
each and likely with labor cost another $8.00 a square foot to install.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/18/2022 3:57 AM
This is going to sound a bit "crazy" but... when my ex built his house it was the MORTGAGE company that required a certain amount of landscaping. Before he could close on his loan he had to have sod to just the back corners of his home. The back yard did not require sod. It could be "seeded". So we spent a few hours laying sod in his front yard one weekend.

Since you have 2 different and separate builders, they may also have different mortgage companies. Those having different details for purchase/closing. Hence why one has it all sodded and the other not. Once the owners take over the HOA, maybe can adapt the rules for consistency across the board. Meaning atleast must have certain type of grass/plantings.

My HOA has 2 builders too. They both do different landscaping. We were required to have a tree in front yard. The other place has rocks for border. It's kind of going to be hard to get consistency but at miminum recognize what both required.

I have seen weirder clauses in mortgage contracts, It sounds like the mortgage lender is trying to protect their assets incase the borrower defaults and the bank has to sell, and they want to sell quickly
and not want to add anything to facilitate a quick sale.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Although our neighborhood is over 20 years old, we did add some minimum landscaping requirements to the ARC regulations document last year, because we are getting to the age where owners are taking out old landscaping and renewing. The issue we had was that in our duplex area we had an owner who took out every bush in front of his house and sodded over the whole thing, leaving only one palm tree right in the middle, while the neighbors all had lush plantings. We are responsible for maintaining the lawns and every landscaper uses large riding mowers so having sod right up to the house was a problem. When (not if) the riding mower hit the house we would be responsible for the damage. Our rules are very minimal but we do require a row of foundation bushes in front of every home just so there is a barrier between lawn and house.

Our declaration allows the board to authorize, without vote of membership, the ARC rules and general rules and regulations. So if it was our community, technically you could put in a rule requiring minimum landscaping. However, getting people who already have existing landscaping to upgrade their landscaping at this point might be an uphill battle and not one you want to fight. The regulation would have to be very specific, with things like a plant list, acceptable plant sizes when planting (i.e. 3 gallon vs. 5 gallon) and numbers of plants or you will have people planting a bunch of annuals and calling it quits. The biggest problem is that landscaping is so subjective. You might think that newer houses look bare without the extra landscaping, but the owner might think it looks great. In our case, the neighbor who took out all his landscaping said it looked "clean" and he was happy.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
FYI

Our association does all landscaping (front and sides)and as we strive for a common look one is not allowed to do any landscaping. Even trees and/or bushes must be replaced with identical species. Each home has a 7ft privacy fence surrounding their backyard (24 x 30 feet) where one can do as they wish.
ThadC2 (Florida)
Posts: 820
Posted:
you dont' have power to do what you want.

nor should you really care what your neighbors landscaping looks like

the bane of most HOA's are people that want to control others.

get over it.

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