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AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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Looking for advice here. If there's a tree in someone's front yard that has roots pushing out and up sidewalks, what should an HOA typically do?

Of course, its not really a negligent or intentional action by the homeowner, its just a tree that has started to get to big for its space. How does this repair and accountability for the cost shake out?
AugustinD
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Posted By AdamL1 on 04/14/2022 12:46 PM
Looking for advice here. If there's a tree in someone's front yard that has roots pushing out and up sidewalks, what should an HOA typically do?

Of course, its not really a negligent or intentional action by the homeowner, its just a tree that has started to get to big for its space. How does this repair and accountability for the cost shake out?
-- Who owns the sidewalks?

-- Nationwide the courts have given much treatment to who is responsible for what when Neighbor Richard has a tree that encroaches onto Neighbor Cornelia's lot, causing damage to property. The case law has even evolved some over time, on account of communities changing from rural to urban or suburban. I think the variation from one state to another is meaningful.

-- From a 2020 Idaho news site:

Can a Russian olive be removed from adjacent property if it’s growing on yours?

A: “Under the common law, which Idaho has adopted, landowners are limited to removing the ‘penetrations on their own land.’ Lemon v. Curington, 78 Idaho 522, 524 (1957),” said Grant Loebs, the county’s prosecuting attorney.

“That means that a landowner can cut off the boughs or roots growing on his or her own property,” he said.

However, Loebs cautioned “Going onto the neighbor’s land to cut down a tree may constitute civil trespass (Idaho Code 6-202), misdemeanor trespass (Idaho Code 18-7008), or misdemeanor injury of a shade tree or ornamental plant (Idaho Code 18-7021).”

“If a tree is on the border of the two properties and is damaging one landowner’s property (such as roots growing into the foundation), that landowner can sue for nuisance. If the judge agrees the tree is a nuisance, the court can order the tree to be cut down. Lemon v. Curington, 78 Idaho 522, 525 (1957),” said Loebs.


-- Introduction to how Idaho courts think about tree root damage, from one neighbor's lot to another's (look for subsequent Idaho case law citing this decision):

https://casetext.com/case/lemon-v-curington

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Who owns the tree may also be a factor, so you should read your documents to see who's responsible for what (haven't you read this part already?)

Once you know that, you'll know who to contact - and if this becomes something you and your neighbors have to fix, I hope you two can resolve it without things getting ugly. If everything belong to the board, it can have the tree removed and the sidewalk repaired. If it's a split decision - HOW sidewalk, homeowner tree), those two have to figure it out. How that's done is up to them, but in the meantime, the board should get the sidewalk repaired in a timely manner.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MichaelT21 (Arkansas)
Posts: 501
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We have that problem in our neighborhood. Just the beginning. Our neighborhood was built 16 years ago and some of the trees planted way back then are starting to lift sidewalks.

We haven't discussed this as a board. It's not a problem at the moment - will be one in the future - and sometimes hard to get the other board members to think about future problems. They are most interested in problems that I can photograph and present on my monthly powerpoint slides. A sidewalk raised by .25 inches doesn't make for great photography.
LisaB21 (Texas)
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In our neighborhood the sidewalks are the responsibility of the homeowner and of course the tree that is liflting the sidewalk is thers as well. Most are suprised to find out that they have to fix the lifting sidewalks. CCR's note that each home must install a sidewalk at the time of building nad they are therefor part of the lot and the homeowners responsibilty. Our neighborhood is 20-25 years old now so this is becoming a problem
LetA (Nevada)
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Is this inside a gated community or non gated? If this is a gated community and the tree is on common property then the responsibility lies on the HOA. If the tree is on private property then the responsibility
is on the homeowner. Are the sidewalk owned by the HOA? If so the HOA has a legal obligation to fix the raised slab, that would also include cutting the roots of the tree that cause the hazard.
I would also reach out to the homeowner with a courtesy letter about the tree.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By MichaelT21 on 04/14/2022 7:12 PM
We have that problem in our neighborhood. Just the beginning. Our neighborhood was built 16 years ago and some of the trees planted way back then are starting to lift sidewalks.

We haven't discussed this as a board. It's not a problem at the moment - will be one in the future - and sometimes hard to get the other board members to think about future problems. They are most interested in problems that I can photograph and present on my monthly powerpoint slides. A sidewalk raised by .25 inches doesn't make for great photography.

That's the band of many boards - let's kick the can down the road and by the time there's no road left, I'll be off the board and maybe out of the community, so someone else will have to address it. Can you say Surfside?

It might be a good idea to bring in an arborist to walk the community and identify which trees are becoming a problem and how fast the problem will develop if it's not addressed. The arborist may also have some information on expenses related to tree root damage - maybe that'll wake them up.

After years of $5k plus bills for sewer line damage, a foundation problem in at least one house and a sidewalk, that's what our community did. We learned several trees were dying, so down they went and we haven't had a lot of issues since.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LoriM15 (Florida)
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In my HOA we are responsible for the sidewalks and the grassy strip between the sidewalks and the road. When trees lift up the sidewalks we are obligated to fix it, and it's not always a cheap fix. We just got a bid for close to $3000 for two areas. If the tree was in the grassy strip we would probably take it out if possible. If it was in the homeowner's property, we would trim back roots.

In the HOA where we own a condo the street trees are a mix of oaks and palm trees. The oak trees got large enough to start causing problems. They are currently in the process of cutting down all of the oak trees that are anywhere close to the sidewalk or street. The residents are up in arms about them destroying the trees. They are going to replace them with all palm trees that generally don't lift the sidewalks. While I don't think the palm trees look as good, my board member side says this was a smart decision to save a lot of money in the future.
AugustinD
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Posted By LoriM15 on 04/15/2022 6:56 AM
In my HOA we are responsible for the sidewalks and the grassy strip between the sidewalks and the road. When trees lift up the sidewalks we are obligated to fix it, and it's not always a cheap fix. We just got a bid for close to $3000 for two areas. If the tree was in the grassy strip we would probably take it out if possible. If it was in the homeowner's property, we would trim back roots.
Which for the record and like Idaho, appears to be the best one can do in Florida. From one site:

Under Florida law, an owner of a healthy tree is not liable to an adjoining property owner for damage caused by encroaching tree branched or roots. Similarly, the adjoining property owner is permitted to trim back, at its own expense, any encroaching tree roots or branches which have grown onto the adjoining property.

In the recent appellate opinion of Balzar v Ryan, the court refused to hold an adjoining property owner responsible for damaging a neighbor’s tree when the adjoining property owner removed tree roots encroaching upon the property owner’s land. This finding is good news for property owners attempting to keep the land free of tripping hazards. Landowners may responsibly remove encroaching roots from neighboring trees without concern that damage to the tree will result in a claim against the adjacent landowner.
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Posted By LoriM15 on 04/15/2022 6:56 AM

In the HOA where we own a condo the street trees are a mix of oaks and palm trees. The oak trees got large enough to start causing problems. They are currently in the process of cutting down all of the oak trees that are anywhere close to the sidewalk or street. The residents are up in arms about them destroying the trees. They are going to replace them with all palm trees that generally don't lift the sidewalks. While I don't think the palm trees look as good, my board member side says this was a smart decision to save a lot of money in the future.
Three cheers for your Board. Sometimes boards succumb to pressure from owners not to remove trees. This pressure starts to subside when foundations of, for one, patios start lifting to the tune of thousands of dollars of repairs. (Tens of thousands of dollars or more for a house.)

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