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CathyA3 (Ohio)
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This article appeared in the March 31 edition of the Washington Post. It's behind a paywall, but they usually allow a certain number of free articles for non-subscribers:

Corporate landlords are gobbling up U.S. suburbs. These homeowners are fighting back.

Quote from the article:

"Like hundreds of communities across the United States, Hamilton’s neighborhood had become the target of large companies amassing empires of suburban homes for rent. ...

The rise of investor purchases has spawned complaints that the companies, flush with Wall Street money, are pricing out first-time home buyers and renting to tenants who have not been properly screened. In Potters Glen, one house owned by Invitation Homes, a $24 billion company created by a Wall Street firm, drew several reports of illegal drugs and gunfire, according to police reports and neighbors."


According to the article, homeowners in a number of communities are fighting back successfully, generally by doing things we've recommended on this website: beefing up their communities' rental restrictions and rigorously enforcing their CC&Rs.

Predictably, the investors are pushing back. A favorite claim is that rental restrictions are discriminatory and harm low-income renters. If anything, rental restrictions discriminate against investors, which is why they're crying crocodile tears. And they're conveniently ignoring the fact that their actions harm low-income home buyers by putting out of reach what is often these buyers' only opportunity to build up their net worth. Investors aren't buying up homes in order to benefit low-income renters - they're doing it because there are big bucks to be made, often at the expense of homeowners in those communities.

I'm starting to consider pushing for an amended rental restriction again. It was supported by a majority of owners, although not enough to pass the amendment. I regret not campaigning openly for the amendment. I thought at the time that the board should take a hands-off approach - but I've decided that I was wrong, it's in the association's best interest that we not turn into a "renter's paradise".

SheliaH (Indiana)
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I think I saw that article and 60 minutes also had a segment on this (it's on YouTube in case you want to take a look).

My co workers and I were discussing this recently, as my sister and I plan to sell our mothers home (she needs the money to help pay for assisted living). We're determined to sell to a human, not an investor because her neighbors have been wonderful in looking out for the home and I couldn't do that to them. These investors are making it more difficult for first time homebuyers and considering the history of housing discrimination in this country, I'm really concerned about the impact on that (I suspect no one's paying attention to this).

We've always had a lot of investor owners in this community and they were a pain in the ads for most of my 10 years on the board. Some people would say "well at least they're paying assessments" but didn't seem to understand the frequent in and out was creating more costs in trash, more wear and tear on the common areas, and if course it's nearly impossible to get anyone to serve on the board.

I've wondered about the current owner occupant vs. investor owner percentage in my townhouse community for some time - like yoi, I'd love to try again on getting some sort of restriction on our CCRs, but I fear that ship's already on the other side of the planet at this point.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
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My favorite part of the article:

[In 2019 Charlotte North Carolina "Potters Glen" HOA (250+ homes) adopted a rule requiring any new home buyer to wait two years before renting it out.]
Companies affiliated with some of the nation’s big rental firms have continued to purchase homes at Potters Glen, according to property records. Invitation Homes bought one in September 2020, about a year after the rental limits went into effect. The company said that the “neighborhood restriction was not noted in our system.”

Amherst Residential [a corporation], bought one, too. In a statement, [Amherst] said it aims to work collaboratively with homeowners associations and that “it does not appear this waiting period was communicated [to us] in documentation related to purchase of this home.”


The NC Residential Property Disclosure Act is clear that it is the owner who has to disclose covenants et cetera. See https://www.ncleg.gov/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_47E.html

Invitation Homes and Amherst Residential, you all can go try to sue the owner, or you all can go pound sand.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/03/2022 7:40 AM
My favorite part of the article:

[In 2019 Charlotte North Carolina "Potters Glen" HOA (250+ homes) adopted a rule requiring any new home buyer to wait two years before renting it out.]
Companies affiliated with some of the nation’s big rental firms have continued to purchase homes at Potters Glen, according to property records. Invitation Homes bought one in September 2020, about a year after the rental limits went into effect. The company said that the “neighborhood restriction was not noted in our system.”

Amherst Residential [a corporation], bought one, too. In a statement, [Amherst] said it aims to work collaboratively with homeowners associations and that “it does not appear this waiting period was communicated [to us] in documentation related to purchase of this home.”


The NC Residential Property Disclosure Act is clear that it is the owner who has to disclose covenants et cetera. See https://www.ncleg.gov/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_47E.html

Invitation Homes and Amherst Residential, you all can go try to sue the owner, or you all can go pound sand.

I noticed that as well. As least one other regular poster here has said that his community also has a two-year waiting period in their rental restriction.

Of course, it's in the investors' interest to play stupid about this. However, in my (non-lawyer) opinion, assuming that the wait period is in the rental restriction and not in community rules, and since CC&Rs are recorded and our attorney has said that recording is considered legal disclosure, investors can't claim ignorance and make it stick.

This may boil down to who has the deeper pockets. Normally I'd say the investors do. But since it's important for investors to be cash-flow positive and since they often operate on pretty thin margins, anything associations can do to increase their expenses will discourage them. David doesn't need to kill Goliath outright, he only has to make him bleed consistently.
AugustinD
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/03/2022 8:53 AM

Of course, it's in the investors' interest to play stupid about this. However, in my (non-lawyer) opinion, assuming that the wait period is in the rental restriction and not in community rules, and since CC&Rs are recorded and our attorney has said that recording is considered legal disclosure, investors can't claim ignorance and make it stick.
Also in my non-lawyer opinion, the NC HOA disclosure yada statute seems to me to cover the bases. It speaks in kind of general terms of restrictions on ownership having to be disclosed. E.g. if the covenants say the board has the lawful right to create such a rental rule, and a buyer did not go check what the (un-recorded) HOA rules say, tough on the buyer.

Plus it's still the buyer against the seller (and not the HOA), by my reading.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Cathy, you may have been thinking of my community. When we re-wrote our docs we added a 1 year wait period. I was recently told by someone that the current Board now has a situation where an investor bought a home and got caught trying to rent it. Since I am no longer on the Board I have no details on what is going on other than the rumor is the owner is threatening to sue. I wish I had more info but I don't.

If I do get any updates I will post them here. The person that was the V.P when I was the President is a good friend of mine and she has promised to keep me updated on this after I move.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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I'd love to have updates on this. I don't see how the investor has any basis to sue since he presumably knew what he was buying, but who knows. In my state it's caveat emptor.

We'll probably see plenty of case law like this since I get the feeling that owner-occupants have finally seen the writing on the wall and are starting to push back against the landlords. Bring it on, I say. Owner-occupants have the worst of both worlds: the obligations of home ownership coupled with the disadvantages of living in a rental community. There's only one thing that could make their lives worse, and that's if investors buy up enough units to force a de-conversion.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Our Covenants say one cannot rent their home during the first year of their ownership. Out of 112 units, only one person owns two and they will be selling one.
DaveP8 (Oklahoma)
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I'd really like to know how an HOA has successfully enforced a rental restriction on single family homes.
LoriM15 (Florida)
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Posted By DaveP8 on 04/04/2022 6:55 AM
I'd really like to know how an HOA has successfully enforced a rental restriction on single family homes.

In the single-family part of our HOA we made a choice not to put in a time restriction on rentals after purchase when we redid our documents last year. Our three condo associations all have a 12 or 18 month ownership restriction. For the single-family homes, we thought it might make the neighborhood unattractive to buyers.

Out of the 825 units, I don't think we have any owned by institutional investors. We do make it a little difficult to rent out your unit.

We have a requirement for a background and credit check for all of our units, including the single family homes. Any rentals are contingent on the master association approval of the lease. Unit owners must put down a $500 deposit with the association and the potential renter pays a non-refundable fee for the background check (we use a service for that).
SheliaH (Indiana)
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I do like John and Lori’s idea about requiring that the house not being rented out for a year or two - I wish we could do something like that. When we tried to institute a 25% rental cap, the proposed CCR also had a grandfather clause for townhomes already rented – the restriction would kick in as soon as the house was transferred or sold. We thought that would help sell the proposal, but unfortunately, the rental percentage was already high (one lady owned 29 units at the time, although I think she’s sold a few since then), and so it failed miserably.

Ironically, that lady DID vote for the restriction, figuring she wouldn’t have to worry about increasing competition. Another owner-landlord (one of the few good ones – he even became board president before selling his unit to a human, not an investor) suggested requiring a surcharge for people renting their homes that would be paid at the start and end of the rental period to help defray additional expenses from more wear and tear. However, without the CCRs being amended to address landlord-tenant relations in more detail, we wouldn’t have had a legal leg to stand.

In this state, the laws tend to skew towards property owner’s rights, and sometimes that can and has caused problems, and there’s case law stating HOAs have the right to institute rental caps. The problem is enforcing the cap, as Dave notes – you’d have to keep a running list of homes with renters and then have to juggle that against other homeowners who are moving out of the area (to another part of the state or out of it altogether) and so they need to rent it out to help pay the assessments until the house is sold.

And then you have the people who might try to get around the restriction, saying “that’s not a renter, that’s my cousin It who’s just looking after the place for me.” Not to mention the people who are buying the house on a land contract and continue to “rent” forever and a day.

If you can’t get a rental cap, it appears fair and consistent rule enforcement may be a way to keep out some of the investors, many of whom don’t care what their tenants do to the community as long as the rent check clears. Fair and consistent is the key – if you target rental homes, you’ll get into more trouble (as you should). That said, investors don’t necessarily want to get violation notices that can lead to clashes in small claims court, and if it gets to the point they’re spending more money on legal fees they will either pay more attention to what their tenants or doing or sell the house. When you drive around any neighborhood, you shouldn’t be able to tell the difference between an owner-occupied home vs. a rental because everyone should be complying with the rules.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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As Sheila noted, homeowners can have some odd ideas about how rental restrictions work. It's why I concluded that I should have done more to spell things out, especially how the restriction benefits everyone (except the folks who want to turn our community into Renter H3ll).

We had one homeowner who voted No for our amendment because she thought it wasn't strict enough! Unfortunately she convinced a few others that she knew what she was talking about. Of course after the amendment was defeated, she thought the board should try again with a more restrictive amendment. My flabber was gasted...
DaveP8 (Oklahoma)
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I would be all in favor of a rental restriction, such as owner must live in the property for 1 or 2 years before property can be rented. Also in favor of a maximum number of rental properties in the HOA. However, it would be difficult to police/monitor/enforce and could get expensive if some owner decided to fight the restriction or limit. It would be hard to dictate to a homeowner what they can do with their own property.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By DaveP8 on 04/04/2022 10:24 AM
I would be all in favor of a rental restriction, such as owner must live in the property for 1 or 2 years before property can be rented. Also in favor of a maximum number of rental properties in the HOA. However, it would be difficult to police/monitor/enforce and could get expensive if some owner decided to fight the restriction or limit. It would be hard to dictate to a homeowner what they can do with their own property.

You're right that it can be difficult to enforce. But if you don't, the end result is that investors can take over the community. We've seen comments here from people who live in communities that have a high percentage of renters. Consequences include:

* Increased numbers of violations, with many landlords not giving a hoot.

* Increase in overall level of apathy among the membership. Difficulty in filling board positions, which may result in community ending up in receivership. The work involved in running the community falls primarily on resident-owners.

* Community becomes less desirable to buyers who don't want to live in a rental community.

* Buyer pool becomes limited to those who can pay cash, since banks won't lend for purchases in communities with too many rentals.

* For condos especially, the community becomes vulnerable to investors who convert the community to all-rentals. The remaining homeowners are either forced to rent their homes or forced to sell at unattractive prices.

* In short, investors are in it to make money. They generally don't care about the communities they own property in as long as the rent checks keep rolling in. When it gets down to it, the interests of owner-occupants and the interests of landlords do not coincide, and this can make running an association more difficult than it already is.

I think we're going to see more case law as investors gobble up more residential real estate and owner-occupants start to fight back. Yes, an owner may decide to sue. But if the community has a rental restriction that the owner is violating, then the owner would have to go after the restriction itself rather than suing the board for something like selective enforcement, for example.

Our attorney said that a rental cap could be vulnerable in a lawsuit, and case law so far has been mixed. I personally think the cap is discriminatory by definition since it allows some owners to rent and others not. I also think owners are more likely to get annoyed and argue or sue, because their ability to rent out their unit depends entirely on what other owners have or have not done. Something like a one- or two-year prohibition on renting is effective at keeping most of the investors away while still allowing owners the ability to rent out their homes.
LetA (Nevada)
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Is It possible that an investor slowly buys up homes in an HOA as they hit the market and then sort of in a way becomes the declarant?
It just seems like a shady way to take over an HOA.
AugustinD
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Posted By LetA on 04/04/2022 11:34 AM
Is It possible that an investor slowly buys up homes in an HOA as they hit the market and then sort of in a way becomes the declarant?
Ever see a provision where an owner who owns enough homes in a HOA/COA can revert to being the declarant, with special powers as given in the Declaration? I have not.

An owner who owns enough homes in a HOA/COA may be able to control who sits on the board, though.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
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Posted By DaveP8 on 04/04/2022 10:24 AM
I would be all in favor of a rental restriction, such as owner must live in the property for 1 or 2 years before property can be rented. Also in favor of a maximum number of rental properties in the HOA. However, it would be difficult to police/monitor/enforce and could get expensive if some owner decided to fight the restriction or limit. It would be hard to dictate to a homeowner what they can do with their own property.

I agree that there will never be a full proof way of catching every rental violation. However, these are the things that we did to monitor rentals:

1.) Our property manager uses a well known property management software program. They have setup a filter that shows any owner who's mailing address is different than the home they own in our community. The filter is setup to automatically run once a month. A Board member can also contact the PM and have the filter run for an immediate need.

2.) There is a saved search for any new rental for our community on Zillow, Redfin, Trulia and Reator.com. When a new rental comes up the alert is sent to a generic HOA email account that is automatically forwarded to a designated Board member's account.

3.) We have a welcoming committee that visits all new residents. When they do their introduction to the new neighbors they check the name they were given against what is on file with the property manager.

4.) When a new resident contacts the property manager for a key to the pool and tennis courts this persons name is compared with their records.

Where I can see things would get messy is when the owner claims the occupants are a family member or friend and out of the goodness of their heart they don't charge any rent.

AugustinD
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I just googled as follows:

"rental cap" "condominium" site:justia.com

The only hit that came up that has value is the one below, from Washington state in 2013 as an "unpublished opinion." It concerns a Condo Association whose original Declaration has first, a rental cap of 25% and second, a waiting list description. The Board created a rule that put additional limits on renting. The Washington Appeals Court 'tore the Board and COA a new one,' including, curiously, doing a few 'what-ifs.' It's almost as if the Appeals Court was telegraphing all Washington state condominiums to not even think of doing the same as, or even anything remotely similar to, what the defendant condo association did.

The Appeals Court commented a bit on why rental caps are reasonable, at least when they appear in covenants.

The owner-plaintiffs won their attorney fees, on account of a clause in the COA's Declaration that spoke to attorney fees in cases like theirs.

https://cases.justia.com/washington/court-of-appeals-division-ii/42982-9.pdf?ts=1396151594

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By LetA on 04/04/2022 11:34 AM
Is It possible that an investor slowly buys up homes in an HOA as they hit the market and then sort of in a way becomes the declarant?
It just seems like a shady way to take over an HOA.

This is exactly what happened during the Great Recession. I remember reading about investor groups targeted condo complexes and buying up units - once they owned enough units to control the association (usually a super-majority), they would de-convert the association to rental property.

It may be shady, but it's definitely legal. The folks who are really hurt are the ones who don't see the writing on the wall and who refuse to sell. The new owners usually make low-ball offers on their property, with the offer amount going down the longer they hold on - if they don't sell, they either have to agree to rent their home from the new owners or they'll be evicted.

This is one reason why Wall Street firms buying up HOA property is so much of a concern - they have the deep pockets to acquire enough property to control the HOA.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By JohnT38 on 04/04/2022 11:44 AM
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Where I can see things would get messy is when the owner claims the occupants are a family member or friend and out of the goodness of their heart they don't charge any rent.


When we were working on our rental restriction amendment, our lawyer suggested that we allow "renting" to immediate family members (parents, children, siblings). These can be harder to catch, and owners who do this are usually not the corporate professionals who are accumulating a portfolio of properties. In other words, they don't cause the problems that I worry about.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/04/2022 11:38 AM
Posted By LetA on 04/04/2022 11:34 AM
Is It possible that an investor slowly buys up homes in an HOA as they hit the market and then sort of in a way becomes the declarant?
Ever see a provision where an owner who owns enough homes in a HOA/COA can revert to being the declarant, with special powers as given in the Declaration? I have not.

An owner who owns enough homes in a HOA/COA may be able to control who sits on the board, though.

You're correct, they don't become the declarant. They control the HOA through seats on the board. That's enough to accomplish what they want.

Anyone can Google "condo de-conversion" and find plenty of examples of this happening.

In fact, there are also examples of apartment owners turning their properties into condos. In general, people with money just can't leave residential property alone. Whatever it currently is, they want to change it. The ones who are hurt by this are the residents.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Chicago area has had quite a few sales of condos to an entity that will convert them to rentals. IL has some guidelines as to how many condo owners have to agree to such a conversion:

Number of Units Required Majority
2 Majority of unit owners
3 66 2/3% of unit owners
4 or more 75% of unit owners
JackG8 (Virginia)
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This is a really interesting topic. One issue is that the more rentals that are in an HOA community, it can destroy the values of homes of the resident homeowners, which can make it more difficult to obtain mortgages for home buyers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/where-we-live/wp/2015/10/21/too-many-rentals-in-neighborhood-can-cause-property-values-to-stagnate/

AugustinD
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How some of today's real estate investors are looking to convert apartments to condos (instead of vice versa):

Today's NY Times has a report on developers buying Manhattan apartment buildings with the intent of converting them to condos. See link below. Sometimes, the developer intends a full demolition of the building. The developers have to pay off tenants who do not want to leave. Some tenants are using the law, especially pandemic law, to hold out for bigger settlements.

Excerpts from https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/16/realestate/tenant-protections-nyc-upper-west-side.html:

Ahmet Nejat Ozsu won’t budge.

For 15 years, he has lived in the same apartment — a one-bedroom with an enviable private deck on the top floor of a building on the Upper West Side.

So when a developer, the Naftali Group, bought the Manhattan building for $70 million last June and told tenants that they had to move, Mr. Ozsu made plans to stay. He could not be swayed with a buyout offer of $30,000, an eviction notice or even a $25 million lawsuit that Naftali recently filed against him. In April, the new landlord placed an industrial air filter outside Mr. Ozsu’s door, and the blower has been droning nonstop, driving him and his 13-year-old boxer-mix, Penelope, up the wall.

Still, Mr. Ozsu won’t move. “It’s two things: I have the right to be here, and I have no place to go,” he said.

Naftali Group says Mr. Ozsu is angling for a seven-figure payout and has put its multimillion dollar investment in limbo, setting off a landlord-tenant stalemate that is the stuff of legend in New York City real estate. But the pandemic has added a new twist: A renter protection enacted to prevent evictions during the crisis could help drag out the standoff for years.

Under normal circumstances, Mr. Ozsu, 52, might have already been evicted from the building at 215 West 84th Street. His apartment is not rent stabilized, and like many of his neighbors he was on a month-to-month lease that the new landlord was not obligated to renew.

But until recently, Mr. Ozsu, a freelance software engineer, was unemployed. In January, Mr. Ozsu applied for the Emergency Rental Assistance Program, a state program created during the pandemic to help tenants pay overdue rent. In most cases, a tenant cannot be evicted while their application is open. If Mr. Ozsu’s request for aid is approved, he could be entitled to stay in the apartment for at least another year — time he says he’ll need to build up savings from a job he began in March to meet the income requirements of other rental buildings.

Out of the 128 apartments, just 16 still have occupants, said Y. David Scharf, the chairman of Morrison Cohen, a law firm representing the developer. Mr. Ozsu is the only tenant who has not agreed to move, he said.

Mr. Ozsu and Adam Leitman Bailey, his lawyer, believe that the air filter and a security camera recently installed in the hallway outside his apartment, trained on his front door, are bullying tactics.

“It sounds like a jet,” Mr. Ozsu said. “It feels like it’s at the back of your head all the time.”

Mr. Scharf said the air filter “is actually for his health and safety,” although there wasn’t active construction near the apartment during a recent visit.

...

Mr. Ozsu moved into an apartment in the building, called the Eagle Court, in 2006 on the recommendation of a friend who had lived there. He landed the coveted top-floor unit a year later, with its deck that overlooks the Upper West Side. His job as a software engineer helped him keep up with rising rents through the years. By October 2021, however, Mr. Ozsu was unemployed, had depleted his savings and could no longer pay the $3,350 rent on his 700-square-foot apartment.

The complex once was a thriving community, former residents said. In 1984, Rockrose Development converted a row of disparate buildings, including the onetime Borden Milk Company dairy (later converted to a garage) and a former Con Edison substation, into the Eagle Court apartments.

The odd union led to interesting design choices: studios that range from 400 to 1,000 square feet with 12-foot ceilings; duplexes and triplexes with private gardens; dim hallways with steep stairs that led to sunlit corridors.

Attracted to the building’s idiosyncrasies, many tenants lived in the building for years, Mr. Ozsu said.

...
Another resident said that some tenants took settlements to end their leases early and signed nondisclosure agreements with the developer. A spokeswoman for Naftali Group said the developer “cannot discuss confidential settlement discussions.”

Naftali Group has yet to file plans for its new condo project. However, the site could support a roughly 210-foot tower, not including potential height bonuses that the developer might get for including affordable units or making subway improvements, according to George M. Janes, a New York urban planner who has studied the local zoning.
...
The most likely scenario at West 84th Street is a complete demolition of the 128-unit rental building to make way for a condo tower with a similarly small number of units, Mr. Janes said. A spokeswoman for the developer said that it was “still reviewing options for the site.”
...

The condo market is surging, a potential boon for holdouts like Mr. Ozsu. Manhattan had the most apartment sales of any first quarter in 33 years, with nearly twice as many new development sales as in the same period last year, according to a recent report by the brokerage Douglas Elliman.

Similar conditions have led to a small number of eye-popping settlements for holdout tenants. In 2005, Herbert Sukenik, a longtime resident of the Mayflower Hotel, in the way of 15 Central Park West, a luxury tower, negotiated a $17 million buyout, plus the right to live at a nearby two-bedroom apartment overlooking the park for $1 a month. His lawyer, David Rozenholc, who specialized in tenant holdout cases, collected one third of the settlement.

“I’ve settled three cases already this year, which is a quick pace,” Mr. Rozenholc said, noting that the pandemic has not stopped developers from proceeding with ambitious projects.

Developers sometimes agree to large tenant payouts because they can be less costly than postponing construction, said Steven Kirkpatrick, a partner at Romer Debbas, who primarily represents property owners but is not involved in the West 84th Street case.

“The theme of this is delay, delay, delay,” he said, noting that prolonged court motions and procedures could allow Mr. Ozsu to stay in the apartment for one or two years.

Mr. Scharf, a lawyer for the developer, said Mr. Ozsu was simply biding his time. In an affidavit filed in housing court in April, a member of the property owner’s legal team said they heard Mr. Bailey wager that he could keep his client in the apartment for five years. (Mr. Bailey said such testimony “is a lie” — and that he doesn’t gamble.)

“Through counsel, he has made it clear he’s holding out for a ransom of north of a million dollars,” Mr. Scharf said.

Mr. Ozsu insists that he is exercising his rights to stay in the apartment under the pandemic renter-relief program. This week he tried to pay back the roughly $13,600 rent owed before the rental-assistance application was filed; the owner’s legal team said that it would reject the payment, according to court filings.

Mr. Ozsu said that shortly after the $25 million suit was filed against him, he was offered around $30,000 to leave the building but rejected it. Naftali Group declined to confirm the offer.

It’s also a matter of principle, Mr. Ozsu said. “It’s the defamation of my character — that’s when I said, ‘No, I’m going to fight this.’”


JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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I am in favor of rental limits. That said, unless limits are already in one's Covenants it is near impossible to add them. Some one also argued that adding such, changes the original "contract" between an owner and the association thus it takes agreement to do so from all owners. I am not agreeing. I am just throwing this out for what it is worth.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Our lawyer drafted an amendment that tightened up our current rental restriction and believed that this would not hold up in court. OTOH, he researched case law and recommended that we not add a rental cap because these have a mixed track record when challenged. So the history and details of the individual restriction probably matter.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/17/2022 10:01 AM
Our lawyer drafted an amendment that tightened up our current rental restriction and believed that this would not hold up in court. OTOH, he researched case law and recommended that we not add a rental cap because these have a mixed track record when challenged. So the history and details of the individual restriction probably matter.

Argh! My kingdom for an edit button:

Our lawyer drafted an amendment that tightened up our current rental restriction and believed that this WOULD hold up in court.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/17/2022 9:17 AM
How some of today's real estate investors are looking to convert apartments to condos (instead of vice versa):

Today's NY Times has a report on developers buying Manhattan apartment buildings with the intent of converting them to condos. See link below. Sometimes, the developer intends a full demolition of the building. The developers have to pay off tenants who do not want to leave. Some tenants are using the law, especially pandemic law, to hold out for bigger settlements.

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I'm a bit surprised at how much leverage tenants have in situations like this. They seem to have more control than a condo owner whose home has been converted to a rental.

Maybe I read too many murder mysteries, but I question the wisdom of antagonizing powerful people who have a financial interest in making you go away. :-)
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Cathy

You say you already had rental restrictions. The hard part is getting some when one exist.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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All along I have been saying one cannot rent their unit during their first ear of ownership. Well I have been wrong:

Section 6. Leasing Lots may not be leased during the first six months of ownership. After the first six months of ownership, lots may be leased for residential purposes only. All leases shall have a minimum term of at least six (6) months. All leases shall require, without limitation, that the tenant acknowledge receipt of a copy of the Declaration, Bylaws, use restrictions, and rules and regulations of the Association. The lease shall also obligate the tenant to comply with the foregoing.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 04/17/2022 10:47 AM
Cathy

You say you already had rental restrictions. The hard part is getting some when one exist.

I expect you're right about that. I can see why a new restriction could be illegal - and it's more likely to be challenged.
KerryL1 (California)
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Here in CA, Associations may only have a rental term of 30 days minimum. HOAs having longer terms in their documents must amend them by 7/1/22 or they will end up being unable to establish even a 30 day minimum term. Our current/original CC&Rs have no limits in the except that a unit may not be used for "transient purposes."

Our restated CC&Rs are still out with voters, so we had to make an amendment saying rental term limits can be no longer than 30 days. It went out for a 28-day comment period by Owners as required in CA. The Board will approve it on 4/26.

In addition, HOAs may have no rental cap higher than 25%. If their CC&Rs say a higher amount, they must be amended by 7/1/22 or they will have no rental cap at all.

I wrote this for CA HOA ppl who might not be aware of this upcoming deadline. See CA Civ. Code 4741 or go to Davis-stirling.com, Rentals.

In the early '90s my spouse & I rented in a 40-y.o. 222 unit 22-story high rise on Lake Michigan in Chicago. It had been an apartment building and was "condominiumized" in the '80s. So that activity has been around for awhile.

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