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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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File this under "odd" but is it violation "odd"? Here in the South we have Bermuda grass. If your not familiar with it, the grass has a dormancy period. It is brown and blah during fall/winter. The Spring/Summer months it lushes out and turns green. Nice barefoot walking grass.

Here is the "odd" part. My neighbor has decided to make his yard GREEN ALL year round! This isn't the nature of this grass. It isn't made to be green all year round. It really sticks out in the neighborhood. No one has their grass green. It almost doesn't even look like it's Bermuda grass. Which is required.

The HOA is recently going around issuing out "weed" violations. Mind you it's a bit too early to do that right now. We had to fight "Army worm" last year which killed a lawns. (Mine included). I am still trying to figure out if my grass will come back. Already have the seed ready once the weather/grass is ready. The place is only a year old right now.

Do you think my neighbor's bright green yard is a violation? It's not "weedy" which is what the HOA is going after. However, bright green in winter? Plus should make sure it is Bermuda? It almost looks like Fescue which is a "trick" one can use with Bermuda to make it green all year. Otherwise have to do a Nitrogen treatment.

Mind you he is my next door neighbor. So I have a huge green line going down the side...

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JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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In the south it is common to over seed Bermuda grass with Winter Rye which makes the lawn green during the winter. When summer rolls around it dies. If this is what your neighbor did then I personally would not have a problem with it. Is it a violation? I don't know and it would depend on the wording of your CCR's and how anal your Board wants to be.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It is not common to do the overseeing. It can be done but not common. Most people here burn it or scalp the yard for the Bermuda to come back with less weeds.

It is developer owned. Dumb MC in charge. So I am not sure what to call it.

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JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/25/2022 5:53 PM
It is not common to do the overseeing. It can be done but not common. Most people here burn it or scalp the yard for the Bermuda to come back with less weeds.

It is developer owned. Dumb MC in charge. So I am not sure what to call it.

It is very common in my area. Why don't you ask the neighbor what it is?
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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If you consider north Texas/DFW area as being in the south, the most common grasses here are Bermuda and St. Augustine. I'm a 25 years ago corporate relocation transplant from northern California; I'm still not certain if we are in the south or not.

Our lawns turn brown in the late fall and green up beginning about now. While over seeding is not widely common, it is not unknown.

Our CC&R's expressly prohibit winter over seeding. Regardless of what yours say, I recommend you just ignore the whole thing. The natural green is beginning to come out, whatever was used will be be overrun soon by the Bermuda coming back.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
All this because a person's lawn is green. Get a life!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Note I do not care. However, the HOA is giving out weed fines right now to some neighbors. My question would having a green yard count as a violation for yard or not?

Note this neighbor installed a fence without HOA permission. It seems strange to me that not hearing about any of their violations. Everyone else has been complaining about getting letters.

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MarniD (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
It might be grass paint. A few people in our community use it. Honestly, if his lawn is green, good for him, he is trying to make his property look nice, what is wrong with that?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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It is not green paint. It is grass. It does look nice. The problem is that it is not supposed to. It is to be in a dormant stage like everyone else.

It basically looking at rows of Bermuda and then bright green grass then Bermuda. Remover a HOA purpose is to keep things equal appearance wise. This yard sticks out massively.

I know grass and this has me perplexed. I can not say it is ugly. Can not say it is not Bermuda. It just is inconsistent with everyone.

My former HOA we had Bermuda only. We got a deal on some Zoysia grass. It is in the same Bermuda family. Just finer blades. Used on golf courses. Used just a few squares to cover some drainage damage. I nearly got nailed to the wall for that.

So to have a green yard all winter with a grass not known to be green in winter is perplexing if violation or not.

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MarniD (Florida)
Posts: 39
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/26/2022 5:40 AM
It is not green paint. It is grass. It does look nice. The problem is that it is not supposed to. It is to be in a dormant stage like everyone else.

It basically looking at rows of Bermuda and then bright green grass then Bermuda. Remover a HOA purpose is to keep things equal appearance wise. This yard sticks out massively.

I know grass and this has me perplexed. I can not say it is ugly. Can not say it is not Bermuda. It just is inconsistent with everyone.

My former HOA we had Bermuda only. We got a deal on some Zoysia grass. It is in the same Bermuda family. Just finer blades. Used on golf courses. Used just a few squares to cover some drainage damage. I nearly got nailed to the wall for that.

So to have a green yard all winter with a grass not known to be green in winter is perplexing if violation or not.

Unless the documents say otherwise, and specifically mention no over-seeding or paint of grass, then the homeowner is in compliance I would say. Our documents do not say anything in this regard. Originally all lawns were Zoysia, but since Florida is mainly sand, most people have removed that sod and planted St. Augustine or Pro-Vista. It does not turn brown. In fact, in Florida an HOA cannot tell a resident what they can plant as grass or other plants on their property because we have a "Florida Friendly" statute. The HOA however has domain over certain types of trees but nothing more.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mel

Many docs call for landscaping to have a "common look". If so, over seeding would not be allowed. Otherwise, funny looking or not, it is allowed.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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That is ultimately what I believe it is. Not in violation. There isn't anything spelled out specifically in regards to not having a green yard all year. Just believe it is to be Bermuda. So if it was Fescue, then I would call it a violation due to grass type. If it's just a "trick" you can use to make Bermuda Green, then okay with that.

My old President brain kicked in and wondered? Is this a violation or good lawncare practice? I would have a hard call to make here. There were several things that I have liked in the past that others find "violation" in. This one I am totally on the fence about. (No pun intended).

It just seems odd so far that my neighbor hasn't been called out on other violations. If they have, then am I going to be living next to "That" guy whom is putting up a green thumb to the HOA?

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AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
Posts: 559
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This is such a comical posting, I'm not sure Melissa isn't taking us all for a spin.

As a former HOA President (lol) and 11k posts, Melissa should know to first check the governing documents and cite the alleged section being violated.

The first step of any investigation is to determine if the HOA has jurisdiction over the issue and then what the specific ccr's/rules/whatever say about it.

Even without her citations, I would find it quite a stretch for an HOA to consider a luscious and green lawn to be in violation and considered "weeds."

just wow.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Well if the rules say "Must be Bermuda grass" then you expect the grass to go through it's "normal" growing cycle. Which is dormancy in Winter. That means to be brown like everyone else. However, if you make the grass be "green" outside of it's normal cycle how is that defined in anyone's documents?

I don't recall the color of grass being mentioned anywhere in any CC&R's I have ever read. Just the type. If this person did indeed "overseed" it had to been with Fescue or another type of grass. A no-no.

I am not going and inspecting his grass to see what type it is. Not my job. Just know I can give directions to my house easier. "I am the one next to the bright green yard." Of course that is always followed by "Why is that person's gras so green?". Shoulder shrugs...

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KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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No, it is not a violation. I guarantee you that the color of winter grass is not regulated by any HOA in the world.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Thank you Kelly. I agree. Just curious if anyone else would agree or not agree the yard not fitting into the "norm" means violation?

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MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
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Melissa, you've gone back and forth about your rule. From "Just believe it is to be Bermuda" to "rules say 'Must be Bermuda grass'"

It's either a rule in your docs or it's not.

If it is, the course is clear. It's a violation if your neighbor has replaced his bermuda with something else. Of course, if it's magical never-goes-dormant bermuda, that's different.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/27/2022 7:08 AM
Thank you Kelly. I agree. Just curious if anyone else would agree or not agree the yard not fitting into the "norm" means violation?

My HOA does all landscaping in including for each home. We also strive to maintain a "common look" thus control how things look as defined in our Covenants. One is not allowed to modify any landscaping without permission form the BOD. We did have someone over seed and someone complained about it. We talked to the person and they agreed not to do it the next year. Technically it was a violation.
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
Posts: 559
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Posted By MichaelH34 on 03/27/2022 9:37 AM
Melissa, you've gone back and forth about your rule. From "Just believe it is to be Bermuda" to "rules say 'Must be Bermuda grass'"

It's either a rule in your docs or it's not.

If it is, the course is clear. It's a violation if your neighbor has replaced his bermuda with something else. Of course, if it's magical never-goes-dormant bermuda, that's different.

exactly. Just quote and cite the rule/ccr in question, or let's all just move on.

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