CaliF (California)
Posts: 25
Posts: 25
Posted:
Hello,
Sorry in advance for the extremely long post. I'm new to the board and would appreciate any insight.
I live in a community of over 500 single family detached homes that were built in the mid - 1990s. The homes range from around 1900 SQ ft to about 2700 sq ft. Lot sizes vary from around 5000 sq ft to around 10k sq ft. Property values in our city and county have increased exponentially over the years. My community's homes are now selling for upwards of 1.6 million. (being in California I'm sure that's not surprising.)
I moved into this community a little less than 5 years ago. Many people in this community are original owners but there have been a slew of younger families moving in (me being one of them).
While the homes in this community are beautiful, the restrictions are not. Our CC&Rs are pretty standard but our ARC guidelines are a whopping ~50 pages and are pedantic to say the least. In speaking with several neighbors in the community I'm finding that the board tends to deny every single arc application and they're very good at bullying homeowners into settling for something they aren't happy with as opposed to allowing them more freedom in their selections. Many just don't even make improvements because they know they will be denied.
Our arc rules impose guidelines that are forcing us to keep our neighborhood looking like its 1999. The board is against anything new and modern and they refuse to allow us to bring our homes into this decade. Many of the guidelines explicitly say things like "because this is what the builder originally intended". None of the builders who built these homes even exist anymore so I'm not sure why they are so stuck on keeping with the original intentions in the first place.
For example, every single wood fence in the community must be painted. Only two streets are allowed to have stained or clear wood fencing because that was the original builder's specifications. Oh, and they can't have knots. Garage doors must be "raised panel" - basically the cookie cutter standard garage door that everyone has. Gates must be either tan or black and pickets must be vertical. Windows must be white-framed. Front entry doors must be raised-panel wood. Severe restrictions on window placement in doors and garages.
We finally got notified of an updated paint palette (it had been a decade since they updated it). I was excited to see the new paint colors and found that they were even more restrictive than before. Previously, the approved colors were about every shade of brown you could think of. The new colors are basically the same. Many people in the neighborhood were hoping for more modern colors - more shades of white for stucco, and more grays/charcoals/blacks for doors and trim. These are the colors that lead to exponentially increasing property values in my city and county.
Now that you have a basic idea of some of the issue... here's where things get complicated. The president of the board has been a board member since the homes were built. He is also on the ARC committee. I believe that he and a couple of others are the reason that homeowners have been blocked from making more modern improvements.
I have a neighbor who submitted an application to modify the exterior of her home in such a way that is similar to the way a couple of other homes have been modified. Her application was denied. Another neighbor submitted an application to expand her home in order to accommodate her disabled mother who lives with her. Application denied. There was no basis for the denial except that they don't fall under the "New ARC guidelines."
What new guidelines, you ask? Well it turns out that the board had just passed a new set of arc guidelines and that we were in the 28 day period for homeowners to submit comments and feedback before they voted to adopt them. Not one single homeowner in this community was aware of this. We were not notified. Without going into too much detail, they later said that they posted the new guidelines at some obscure location on a random bulletin board that is located on a strip of common area grass that they call a park. Many homeowners aren't even aware of this bulletin board.
The basis of those two denials above? The original guidelines allowed people to expand the front walls of their house forward to be in line with the garage doors. The new guidelines will only allow people to expand half that distance. For some people with smaller lots who cannot expand to the side or to the back, this just doesn't make sense.
Since then I've been doing hours and hours of research on davis-stirling and have a fairly basic understanding of the laws in California as they apply to HOAs. The new guidelines that the board is trying to adopt are even more restrictive than before. It honestly seems that the purpose of these revisions is to discourage people further from wanting to make improvements that aren't in line with what our president thinks the community should look like. You can't even rip up a plant in your front yard and replace it without approval.
We got a large group together and canvassed the entire neighborhood and gathered a couple hundred signatures in opposition of these new guidelines. We attended the board meeting and the room was packed. People were really upset and spoke passionately about the issues they've had with the board over the years. The main theme was "denials". Another common theme was landscaping issues which I won't get into here as this is already too long. Long story short, the board agreed to "table" the adoption of the rules and allow for further comments and suggestions. Based on the fact that we got over 30% of the community to petition to oppose these guidelines I'm not even sure if it's legal for them to still pass them even in 30 days. I'm aware we can call a special meeting if they do pass the rules and call for a veto but I'm not sure if it should even get to that point.
I guess my question today is - how can we inspire change? There are at least 2 board members who have been in positions of power for over 20 years and they are holding our community back. Please understand that I am not advocating for a complete disregard for the rules. I understand the importance of keeping the general aesthetics of the community but I also believe that modern colors and features will only increase our property values further - as do all of the neighbors I have spoken with. I know that getting involved in the board is the number one way to do this but my fear is that the president has the board wrapped around his finger and that everything is generally his way or the highway. I think he's so used to getting his way for years and knows what stall tactics to deploy in order to get people to either give up or bend to his will.
The board is not up for re-election until next year. I am definitely planning to get involved next year and know that a couple of my neighbors want to run as well. Prior to all of this we've had a lot of homeowner apathy. Now I'm realizing it's because no one wants to deal with the hassle and they're also worried about retaliation.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions. I haven't yet begun to delve into other issues I'm uncovering because that would take much too long.
I'm also curious to see if it common for such an old community to have such strict guidelines? Thanks in advance for your help, insight, and thoughts.
Sorry in advance for the extremely long post. I'm new to the board and would appreciate any insight.
I live in a community of over 500 single family detached homes that were built in the mid - 1990s. The homes range from around 1900 SQ ft to about 2700 sq ft. Lot sizes vary from around 5000 sq ft to around 10k sq ft. Property values in our city and county have increased exponentially over the years. My community's homes are now selling for upwards of 1.6 million. (being in California I'm sure that's not surprising.)
I moved into this community a little less than 5 years ago. Many people in this community are original owners but there have been a slew of younger families moving in (me being one of them).
While the homes in this community are beautiful, the restrictions are not. Our CC&Rs are pretty standard but our ARC guidelines are a whopping ~50 pages and are pedantic to say the least. In speaking with several neighbors in the community I'm finding that the board tends to deny every single arc application and they're very good at bullying homeowners into settling for something they aren't happy with as opposed to allowing them more freedom in their selections. Many just don't even make improvements because they know they will be denied.
Our arc rules impose guidelines that are forcing us to keep our neighborhood looking like its 1999. The board is against anything new and modern and they refuse to allow us to bring our homes into this decade. Many of the guidelines explicitly say things like "because this is what the builder originally intended". None of the builders who built these homes even exist anymore so I'm not sure why they are so stuck on keeping with the original intentions in the first place.
For example, every single wood fence in the community must be painted. Only two streets are allowed to have stained or clear wood fencing because that was the original builder's specifications. Oh, and they can't have knots. Garage doors must be "raised panel" - basically the cookie cutter standard garage door that everyone has. Gates must be either tan or black and pickets must be vertical. Windows must be white-framed. Front entry doors must be raised-panel wood. Severe restrictions on window placement in doors and garages.
We finally got notified of an updated paint palette (it had been a decade since they updated it). I was excited to see the new paint colors and found that they were even more restrictive than before. Previously, the approved colors were about every shade of brown you could think of. The new colors are basically the same. Many people in the neighborhood were hoping for more modern colors - more shades of white for stucco, and more grays/charcoals/blacks for doors and trim. These are the colors that lead to exponentially increasing property values in my city and county.
Now that you have a basic idea of some of the issue... here's where things get complicated. The president of the board has been a board member since the homes were built. He is also on the ARC committee. I believe that he and a couple of others are the reason that homeowners have been blocked from making more modern improvements.
I have a neighbor who submitted an application to modify the exterior of her home in such a way that is similar to the way a couple of other homes have been modified. Her application was denied. Another neighbor submitted an application to expand her home in order to accommodate her disabled mother who lives with her. Application denied. There was no basis for the denial except that they don't fall under the "New ARC guidelines."
What new guidelines, you ask? Well it turns out that the board had just passed a new set of arc guidelines and that we were in the 28 day period for homeowners to submit comments and feedback before they voted to adopt them. Not one single homeowner in this community was aware of this. We were not notified. Without going into too much detail, they later said that they posted the new guidelines at some obscure location on a random bulletin board that is located on a strip of common area grass that they call a park. Many homeowners aren't even aware of this bulletin board.
The basis of those two denials above? The original guidelines allowed people to expand the front walls of their house forward to be in line with the garage doors. The new guidelines will only allow people to expand half that distance. For some people with smaller lots who cannot expand to the side or to the back, this just doesn't make sense.
Since then I've been doing hours and hours of research on davis-stirling and have a fairly basic understanding of the laws in California as they apply to HOAs. The new guidelines that the board is trying to adopt are even more restrictive than before. It honestly seems that the purpose of these revisions is to discourage people further from wanting to make improvements that aren't in line with what our president thinks the community should look like. You can't even rip up a plant in your front yard and replace it without approval.
We got a large group together and canvassed the entire neighborhood and gathered a couple hundred signatures in opposition of these new guidelines. We attended the board meeting and the room was packed. People were really upset and spoke passionately about the issues they've had with the board over the years. The main theme was "denials". Another common theme was landscaping issues which I won't get into here as this is already too long. Long story short, the board agreed to "table" the adoption of the rules and allow for further comments and suggestions. Based on the fact that we got over 30% of the community to petition to oppose these guidelines I'm not even sure if it's legal for them to still pass them even in 30 days. I'm aware we can call a special meeting if they do pass the rules and call for a veto but I'm not sure if it should even get to that point.
I guess my question today is - how can we inspire change? There are at least 2 board members who have been in positions of power for over 20 years and they are holding our community back. Please understand that I am not advocating for a complete disregard for the rules. I understand the importance of keeping the general aesthetics of the community but I also believe that modern colors and features will only increase our property values further - as do all of the neighbors I have spoken with. I know that getting involved in the board is the number one way to do this but my fear is that the president has the board wrapped around his finger and that everything is generally his way or the highway. I think he's so used to getting his way for years and knows what stall tactics to deploy in order to get people to either give up or bend to his will.
The board is not up for re-election until next year. I am definitely planning to get involved next year and know that a couple of my neighbors want to run as well. Prior to all of this we've had a lot of homeowner apathy. Now I'm realizing it's because no one wants to deal with the hassle and they're also worried about retaliation.
Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions. I haven't yet begun to delve into other issues I'm uncovering because that would take much too long.
I'm also curious to see if it common for such an old community to have such strict guidelines? Thanks in advance for your help, insight, and thoughts.