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DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
The board of directors has taken the use of fireplaces in units that have them without those owners votes or in put,and without compensation and reappraisal of those units which reduces resale value greatly.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why would they and how does it effect home values? A house with a fireplace may or may not be easier to sell or fetch a higher price. However, fireplaces are a huge fire risk if not maintained properly.

Our HOA we told our people to NOT use their fireplaces if they are cleaned once a year. Otherwise, they are risky for fires. Our houses were only 7 - 10 feet from each other. One house went up that could mean 3 with damage.

Still don't see how this all coorrelates.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
This may be a requirement of the association's insurance policy since the presence of fireplaces increases the chances of a fire. Or maybe there was some new directive from the local fire department (in my area, open flames are prohibited on balconies and patios of attached units unless they are equipped with an automatic sprinkler system).

If your association is on the verge of losing their insurance, you've got a lot bigger problems than lower property values.

In any case, the problem I see is how to enforce this particular ruling, it seems like a non-starter.
DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
Hello.when I bought my condo in 2004,it was purchased with a useable working fireplace.the old board started replacing some of them and was told in newsletter for all to be patient that all fireplaces would be fixed.but now it's a new story with the new board and they will not even acknowledged aseveral of my emails concerning this matter.the fireplace takes up the whole wall and I can't place furniture,table etc,because of it.i live in the south and we enjoy fireplaces in our winter months.the board states structural damage on the outside around chimney,and state fireplaces we're not part of the original but shows them on the deed.in the floorplans for the units that have them.
DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
Hello.when I bought my condo in 2004,it was purchased with a useable working fireplace.the old board started replacing some of them and was told in newsletter for all to be patient that all fireplaces would be fixed.but now it's a new story with the new board and they will not even acknowledged aseveral of my emails concerning this matter.the fireplace takes up the whole wall and I can't place furniture,table etc,because of it.i live in the south and we enjoy fireplaces in our winter months.the board states structural damage on the outside around chimney,and state fireplaces we're not part of the original but shows them on the deed.in the floorplans for the units that have them.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Why is the board replacing portions of the interiors of condos? Generally the interior is the responsibility of individual owners, not the association. It is possible that the venting pipes and other things are part of the common area, and that's what was being replaced. Your declaration/CC&Rs will tell you if that's the case in your community.

In any case, I'm guessing that they stopped because the board either found out that they shouldn't have been doing this at all and/or they ran out of money, with the second being the more likely reason. If it's the second, you're learning Lesson #1 of condo financing: "the association pays" means "condo owners pay". If owners aren't paying enough in assessments to cover all of the necessary spending, then lower priority items won't get done. And fireplace replacement would probably be lower priority than water, electricity, trash collection, insurance, roof repairs, and all the other items that condo associations must pay for.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DawnL6 on 03/10/2022 5:37 AM
[slightly edited by Aug] The board states structural damage on the outside around the chimney is occurring, and fireplaces were not part of the original but shows them on the deed, in the floorplans for the units that have them.
I am betting that the exterior is the association's (COA's) responsibility to maintain. If so, I think the Board and COA are in a tough position. The questions the Board is rightly asking the COA attorney are perhaps like the following:

-- Even if the COA just repeatedly repairs the damage, isn't there still a risk that the damage could cause further structural problems?

-- Isn't the damage directly caused by the owner of the unit with the fireplace? Don't these owners have a responsibility not to cause damage to the common area (like the exteriors of the buildings)?

-- And yet, if damage is occurring on account of ordinary use of the fireplace, is this because of a poor design? Does the COA have a legal responsibility or duty to correct the design (if possible)?

-- Is one solution to block off all chimneys; inform owners of this; and state that fireplaces are now restricted to plug-in electric heater-type faux log fires?

DawnL6, I think this is a difficult legal situation for all, with much money being involved on all sides, and this is even before attorney fees start becoming a huge factor. It's a hard problem to solve in general, given the constraints of the COA budget; what "ownership" of certain parts of the grounds means for each infrastructure component involved; insurers' input (both the owner's insurer and the COA's insurer; and more. If you have the money, consult an attorney. If you do not have the money, propose a compromise that results in no damage to the exteriors of the units.

This dispute is ripe for making at least two attorneys rich. Don't let it get this far. Try to see things as the COA Board by law, must. Ask them to see things from your point of view as well. Then emphasize the importance of a compromise (if a compromise is possible).

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Augustin made lots of good points.

It may be helpful for Dawn to talk to her own insurer, especially if there is a chance that normal fireplace usage would cause damage to the common elements and result in liability for her and her insurer.

Sometimes condo construction is not the best, so a scenario like this is plausible.

DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
Yes..the damage is around the chimney on the outside.i have never had a fire in the fireplace since I have lived here because my now deceased husband was on oxygen and we could not use.but I'm not sure if or how this could effect the interest part of my exclusive use of the percentage of my unit or not.

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