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LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
Our elections are getting contentious. A current board member wrote an email to all owners. The acting property manager who is also on the current board and whose seat is up for election. Just used the association office manager email to forward that email to the complete email distribution list. This obviously is not ok. And in Texas I see some hoa election requirements for equal access to media. I am going to request my response be sent from the official email address of the association. Does the law back me up?

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I do not know if the law backs you up but as the MC did what they
did, they opened the door to distributing a reply.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
You may or may not access to the email addresses of all members per Texas code. In California, owners are, within certain criteria. But, sending a response back through their "offical" address probably won't happen, and I don't believe any law will back you up.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Email addresses are usually protected. Home addresses are not. If you can walk your HOA, then you can get the addresses. They are PUBLIC. Email addresses are not.

Former HOA President
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
I absolutely did not request access to the email list. I specifically asked him to forward my response to the same list. He said no. He said, I'm only an owner candidate and the original message came from a board member.

please note.. we are a self managed condominium community. Our common funds pay our on site property manager.

Despite being warned of the conflict of interest, the board voted to hire a fellow board member to run the office and manage the property maintenance.

This was supposed to be a temporary stop gap. The board however failed to actively search for a full time licensed property manager . They had a few interevews 6 months ago and nothing since.

The point is, the property manager is actually a board member. His seat is one of the ones up for election. He is not unbiased. He is absolutely not objective. And if he forwarded the other candidates email to the entire association and resident list , I should be able to have my response sent to the same list.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
WHAT was the content of the email the PM/director emailed to owners? If it was generic, i.e., announcement of the meeting, names of candidates, etc., it's legit and gives you no right to have access to the email list. (Unless any per can have access to it in Texas)

If the email from the PM to all owners says" vote for me,." it's advocacy and IN CA would require that any owner who wanted it could have access to the email list to also advocate or campaign.*

the question is, what about Texas?

* Owners in CA now may have a list of all Email addys except for those owners who opt out of the list. "Walking" one's HOA also is not practical in many when there's a high % of renters. In addition, Melissa, in some states, like, CA, associations MUST give owners the address list upon written request. What is the law in AL?)

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By LaskaS on 03/04/2022 12:02 PM
And in Texas I see some hoa election requirements for equal access to media.
Where?

So far I see nothing in TPC 82 or BO 22.
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
Augustine, my bad, the information I found ensuring equal access to association media for all candidates. was from sterling davis.

However. There has got to be something somewhere. Doesn't the board owe a fiduciary duty to the association to ensure elections are fair and follow the law. If a single board member writes an email on his own behalf, for the purpose of campaigning and persuading members of the association to not vote for the group of resident owners running for the open seats, as long as he sends it from his own email , that's his freedom of speech. T

But when the acting property manager, who has access to the main association email account, forwards that email to the entire association email list ( only the office manager has access to this list) that act in and of itself implies credibility to the information in the email. When I received the email from the official association email account it was titled. IMPORTANT ELECTION INFORMATION.

I was actually shocked that the property manager(board member) would even think this was ok. When I went to the office and asked for my response to be forwarded to all of the owners in the same manner he sent the original email. He said no. He then said the board had agreed to have him forward the email. That didn't make sense to me. The email had already gone out to many owners.(again, noone has the complete owner email list,other than the person who has access to the association email.) When I asked point blank , does he not understand the implication of a campaign email with questionable accuracy being sent to all owners , arriving in an email box from the official association email address. he kicked me out of the office.

LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
so far the attempts to suppress owner participation in the annaul election include the following actions or inaction

1. sending out notices asking for volunteer candidates that did not arrive until on or after the deadline date for submission.

2. documentation and several clarification emails at different times over the past 5 years clarifying the order and pattern of staggered board seats indicates that even years have 5 seats up for election and odd years have 4 seats up for election. Without any notice or valid explanation, the managing agent(just an advisor not the property manager) sent out election notices and indicated there were only 4 seats up for election. (5 is a majority, this is a big deal)

3. one would think to just look at last years election results and if last year was 4 then this year is 5. But last year all 9 seats were put up for election because the board did not hold an election in 2020. (covid shutdown occurred the week of the rescheduled annual election) I did locate the original annual meeting notice sent by managing agent to owners for the upcoming 2020 elections. The notice states that 5 seats are up for election in the year 2020. Despite providing this to the board, they chose to go with 4 seats this year.

4. The association main email used only for association to owner notices and communication was used to send out a critical, misleading letter to all owners warning them not to vote for the resident candidates.
the association then refused to forward my line item response to the aforementioned letter using the association main email.

I mean, this is like the twilight zone. I full expect there to be some kind of secrecy when the managing agent tallies the proxies. I haven't started researching yet what a candidates rights are to view the tallying.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By LaskaS on 03/04/2022 11:02 PM

4. The association main email used only for association to owner notices and communication was used to send out a critical, misleading letter to all owners warning them not to vote for the resident candidates.
the association then refused to forward my line item response to the aforementioned letter using the association main email.
One could argue that this was personal use of HOA resources by an owner (the director who sent the email) that the CCRs do not authorize. One could send a letter quoting the covenant that states on what items the HOA may expend money.

Of course the idiot director who did this would come back and say: "This did not cost the HOA anything."

Wrong. Someone monitors emails in and out, and this costs the HOA in management time. Someone maintains a list of current active owners' email, and this costs the HOA in management time. And so on.
BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
LaskaS, I think that most people would agree that it’s unfair for a Board member to broadcast campaign material via the neighborhood ‘email blast’ mechanism. But I haven’t found any explicit Texas law on the matter.

Pragmatically, I think you can make a good argument to your Board to stop doing that kind of thing. Not so good an argument that you should be allowed ‘equal time’.

For what little it might help: my neighborhood sent out candidate applications to everyone via email. If you wanted to run, you filled out the application, sent it in by the due date - and afterwards copies of the collected candidate applications were sent to everyone via email, along with ballots. This past election we used a third-party ‘electronic voting’ system, which was administered by the PMC. Not that this was perfect. I’m mentioning all of this because I wonder if you’d be better off spending your time and effort working with the Board to set up a reasonably good, reasonably fair system for election mechanics.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Question? If you lose the election, is this something your going to hold your hat up on for why you lost? I mean if your job right now is to gather votes to get elected, why care about what the others are doing. You need to concentrate on getting the votes by the "legal" means you want to do them by. Stop blaming others of crooked and unfair doing just because your not doing anything on your end but blame them.

Get out there and get your votes. Stop worrying about what other people do. Your going to have to work with them once you get elected. Do you want to work with people whom think all you did is bad mouth them to get there?

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 03/05/2022 8:57 AM
Question? If you lose the election, is this something your going to hold your hat up on for why you lost? I mean if your job right now is to gather votes to get elected, why care about what the others are doing. You need to concentrate on getting the votes by the "legal" means you want to do them by. Stop blaming others of crooked and unfair doing just because your not doing anything on your end but blame them.

Get out there and get your votes. Stop worrying about what other people do. Your going to have to work with them once you get elected. Do you want to work with people whom think all you did is bad mouth them to get there?

Good advice.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Laska, will you please quote the wording of the letter the PM emailed to all owners?
LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
the pm forwarded a letter that had already been sent by a board member , basically calling me a liar. I'm not going to post it here. it won't further the conversation. however, rest assured, it was in no way a neutral or informational announcement about the annual meeting,

Mellissa. i am continuing to gather proxy's . If i'm not elected. i'm not elected. However, the repeated actions or inactions that have gone on leading up to this election are indefensable.

If i win, i'm still going to make damn sure this never happens again in an election. I won't let it get in the way of the work that needs to be done to move forward with common area improvements.

LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
I wasn't worried about what other people do, I want to do everything possible to give the board the opportunity to do the right thing. They can't claim ignorance when they willfully ignore documentation that contradicts the arbitrary positions they are taking.

LaskaS (Texas)
Posts: 1,025
Posted:
Billd16, thanks for the information. I agree that your suggestion may be a better approach. stop the property manager from sending out campaign smear material against an candidate.

Regarding the electronic voting. Actually, I already suggested the board look into electronic voting. I went so far as to set up a test vote that would should each of them how secure it was and how there were safeguards in place to prevent unauthorized votes or voters. Not a single board member bothered to follow the link and test out the trial run.

If i get on the board, I will absolutely start working towards putting together all the information the other board members should have to properly consider the idea.

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