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LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Again we have on our agenda a call to hearing for a homeowner violating the governing documents. How long is to long to ban this individual from the pool? Can we prohibit this person from
common areas like the park and footpath? Can we make it clear if this person isn't driven and they have to walk, they have to walk directly to
and from their home to the pedestrian gate? BTW, yes this is a gated community.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Please quote verbatim what your CCRs and/or Bylaws say about suspending an owner's use of common areas and/or amenities.

Is this a condominium?
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By LetA on 02/25/2022 2:54 PM
Again we have on our agenda a call to hearing for a homeowner violating the governing documents. How long is to long to ban this individual from the pool? Can we prohibit this person from
common areas like the park and footpath? Can we make it clear if this person isn't driven and they have to walk, they have to walk directly to
and from their home to the pedestrian gate? BTW, yes this is a gated community.
From the Nevada Common Interest yada Act, which appears to apply to Nevada condominiums:

Except as otherwise provided in this section, if a unit’s owner or a tenant or an invitee of a unit’s owner or a tenant violates any provision of the governing documents of an association, the executive board may, if the governing documents so provide:

(a) Prohibit, for a reasonable time, the unit’s owner or the tenant or the invitee of the unit’s owner or the tenant from:

(1) Voting on matters related to the common-interest community.

(2) Using the common elements. The provisions of this subparagraph do not prohibit the unit’s owner or the tenant or the invitee of the unit’s owner or the tenant from using any vehicular or pedestrian ingress or egress to go to or from the unit, including any area used for parking.


First observation: Do the OP's governing documents allow suspension of use of the common areas?

Second observation: How long a suspension of use of the common areas is should depend on what the violation is, AFAIC. Can you elaborate a bit on what the violation is?

Third observation: I say that, yes, the HOA can suspend the owner's use of any common elements, including the park and foot path, as long as the governing docs permit this.

Fourth observation: If the HOA is going to require the owner to go straight from his/her unit to the front gate and vice versa for egress and ingress, then enforcement is going to be hard. Also you will have to have a penalty for violation of the suspension, or have the attorney possible seek a restraining order. These additional penalties have to be properly publicized to the membership before applying them.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/25/2022 3:03 PM
Please quote verbatim what your CCRs and/or Bylaws say about suspending an owner's use of common areas and/or amenities.

Is this a condominium?

Not condos, single family homes.

Right to Restrict Access. The Board shall have the right to restrict access to and
use of Common Elements and any Improvements or personal property located thereon, for
.purposes of performing any obligation or authorized act of the Association set forth in this
Declaration or for purposes of exercising any right of the Association set forth in this
Declaration. Any such restrictions shall be reasonable in scope and duration. No such
restrictions shall restrict the rights of an Owner or Resident to ingress to and egress form his Lot.

Damage by Member. To the extent permitted by Nevada law, each Member
shall be liable to the Association for any damage to the Common Elements not fully reimbursed
to the Association by insurance if the damage is sustained because of the negligence, willful
misconduct or unauthorized or improper installation or maintenance of any Improvement by the
Mmnhe.r,R~~iQerttqrpTllesr,})r anxptber~~~ons d~vi~1htir rigQt enjoyment of the Common Elements from the Member, or his or their respective Family and
Guests, both minor and adult. However, the Association, acting through the Board, reserves the
right to determine whether any claim shall be made upon the insurance maintained by the

Association, and the Association further reserves the right, after Notice and Hearing as provided
in the Bylaws, to levy a Special Assessment against such Members equal to the increase, if any,
in insurance premiums directly attributable to the damage caused by the Member or the Person
-for whom the Member may be liable as described above. In the case of joint Ownership of a Lot,
the liability of the Owners shall be joint and several, except to the extent that the Association
shall have previously contracted in writing with the joint Owners to the contrary. After Notice
and Hearing as provided in the Bylaws, the cost of correcting the damage to the extent not
reimbursed to the Association against such Member's Lot, and may be enforced as provided
herein.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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This individual was at the pool and broke the cover off the emergency spa shut off switch, this individual was drinking beer at the pool and threw the empty cans in the jacuzzi,
and we have reports that this individual is bothering women in the community. Reports on ND and Ring app that this individual either followed a woman to her home or was knocking on her door.
another report was that this individual was catcalling and ogling a woman making her uncomfortable

The second part we really have no control and it technically is a police issue, but it is highly unlikely that the police will take action against this individual.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Same individual and same misconduct you've mentioned several times over the past couple of years, yes, LetA? Had the Owner EVER had privileges withheld for actual rule violations, e.g., littering in the pool area, which you noted previously?

Have you ever called the owner to hearings and fined them? In this case, for instance, for replacing the spa part?
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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LetA, Please quote what the CCRs say about penalizing a member who violates the covenants. Presumably this CCR section will say something about fines and other penalties that are allowed. What you quoted is relevant but I think a board needs a bit more to justify suspension of use of amenities.

Regarding the alleged harassment of women: If the alleged victims filed complaints about the harassment, then by my reading and per Fair Housing law the Board is obliged to take action to stop this harassment. Why? Because what is happening appears to create an environment for the alleged victims that is hostile on the basis of sex. But I caution: The evidence of the harassment must be available to the Board. It should not be he said/she said.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
More observations:

From the Nevada Common Interest yada statute:

If damage is inflicted on the common elements or on any unit through which access is taken, the unit’s owner responsible for the damage, or the association if it is responsible, is liable for the prompt repair thereof.

NRS 116.31184  Threats, harassment and other conduct prohibited; penalty.

1.  A community manager, an agent or employee of the community manager, a member of the executive board, an officer, employee or agent of an association, a unit’s owner or a guest or tenant of a unit’s owner shall not willfully and without legal authority threaten, harass or otherwise engage in a course of conduct against any other person who is the community manager of his or her common-interest community or an agent or employee of that community manager, a member of the executive board of his or her association, an officer, employee or agent of his or her association, another unit’s owner in his or her common-interest community or a guest or tenant of a unit’s owner in his or her common-interest community which:

(a) Causes harm or serious emotional distress, or the reasonable apprehension thereof, to that person; or

(b) Creates a hostile environment for that person.

2.  A person who violates the provisions of subsection 1 is guilty of a misdemeanor.


If the governing docs allow suspension of use of the common areas on account of violations of the covenants and reasonable, board-created rules derived from the covenants, then for the pool damage and violations of pool rules (which I assume were captured on video), I think six months is the appropriate amount of time here. Because your HOA really does not want drinking at the pool; people damaging equipment; and so on. It's a potential major liability to allow this behavior to continue. If the behavior repeats, the suspension should go higher, AFAIC, like to one year. The third time it happens, two year suspension.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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For me not granting access to amenities last as long as they have not paid dues for those said amenities. Once you pay off your lien (It would be at this point) then you can access again. Now in cases this is more punitive in nature it falls into two schools of thought. 1. You establish just like you do with fines a time line of banning. Instead of money fine it's a "time fine". Like 2 weeks for glass in the pool etc. Something related to violation of the CC&R's. Plus that is fineable.

The 2nd school of thought is vandalism. This is CRIMINAL. This is if you cause damage to any HOA property. This for me entails calling the police and/or forcing to pay back the damage expenses. Once the damage is paid for or time served, then would consider returning amenity rights as long as dues are paid as well.

For me anyone not paying dues should not have access for themselves or their tenants.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
LetA: Have your board ever fined the owners for the violations that you'v noted over the past couple of years? Or suspended privileges?
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/25/2022 5:40 PM
Same individual and same misconduct you've mentioned several times over the past couple of years, yes, LetA? Had the Owner EVER had privileges withheld for actual rule violations, e.g., littering in the pool area, which you noted previously?

Have you ever called the owner to hearings and fined them? In this case, for instance, for replacing the spa part?

Yes this is the same owner that has been causing trouble and yes he was called to a hearing where he did not attend. He was fined by the board but the board then voted 2-1 to not ban him
from the pool.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/26/2022 5:54 AM
LetA, Please quote what the CCRs say about penalizing a member who violates the covenants. Presumably this CCR section will say something about fines and other penalties that are allowed. What you quoted is relevant but I think a board needs a bit more to justify suspension of use of amenities.

Regarding the alleged harassment of women: If the alleged victims filed complaints about the harassment, then by my reading and per Fair Housing law the Board is obliged to take action to stop this harassment. Why? Because what is happening appears to create an environment for the alleged victims that is hostile on the basis of sex. But I caution: The evidence of the harassment must be available to the Board. It should not be he said/she said.

Enforcement of Restrictions and Obligations. The Association shall have the
right to enforce the obligations of any Owner or Resident under the Restrictions by assessing. a
reasonable penalty or fme against such Owner or Resident and/or suspending the right of such
Owner to vote at meetings of the Association, after Notice and Hearing as set forth in the
Restrictions; provided that suspension of any Owner's voting privilege may not be imposed for a
period longer th~ thirty (30) days for any non-continuing infraction, but in the case of a
continuing infraction (including nonpayment of any Assessment after the same becomes
delinquent), suspension of voting privileges may be imposed for so long as the violation
continues.
Any fine must be commensurate with the severity of the violation. Additionally, if the
violation does not threaten the health and welfare of the Project, the fine must not exceed one
hundred dollars ($100.00) for each violation or atotal amount of five hundred dollars ($500.00),
whichever is less. The Rules and Regulations may be enforced by the assessment of a fine only
if the Person alleged to have violated the Rules and Regulations has received notice of the
alleged violation that infonns him of his opportunity to request a hearing on the alleged
violation, and, at least thirty (30) days before the alleged violation, said Person was given written
notice of the rule or regulation (or any amendment to the rule or regulation) that the Person
allegedly violated. If a fine is imposed pursuant to this Subsection and the violation is not cured
within fourteen (14) days or such longer cure period as the Board establishes, the violation shall
be deemed a continuing violation and the board may thereafter impose an additional fme for the
violation for each seven (7) day period or portion thereof that the violation is not cured. Any
additional fme may be imposed without notice and an opportunity to be heard. The Secretary of
the Association shall prepare and cause to be hand-delivered or sent prepaid by United States
mail to the mailing address of each Lot or to any other mailing address designated in writing by
the Restrictions and other governing documents of the Association. The Association may not
for~9loseaJi~.p. fOTtbeass~~sqr~nt oJ a fiqe_Jora'viqlation of the Dec;hl1;:atiQTI.,j3vlaws" or RuJes_
and regulation unless the violation is of type that threatens the health, safety and welfare of
the residents of the project.

If any such penalty or fine imposed on an Owner or Resident by the Association is not
paid by said Owner or Resident within thirty (30) days after written notice of the imposition of
such penalty or fme, then the amount of such penalty or fine shall be assessed as a Special
Assessment charged to the Lot of said Owner or Resident and shall be enforceable and
collectible as a Special Assessment in accordance with Article 6; provided,however, that the
Association may not foreclose a lien for the assessment of a fme for a violation of this
Declaration, the Bylaws, or the Rules and Regulations, unless the violation is of a type that
threatens the health, safety, or welfare of the Residents of the Project.
No penalty or fine may be imposed until the Owner or Resident accused of such violation
has been afforded a Notice and Hearing, which shall inClude the right to be heard in person, by
submission of a written statement, or through a representative at a meeting of the Board, as is
more fully set forth in the Bylaws. Should the Board believe grounds may exist for any such
penalty or fme or for the suspension of an Owner's voting privileges or right to use the Common
Elements, the Board shall give notice as is more fully set forth in the Bylaws.
The Association, Declarant and any Owner may also take judicial action against any
Owner or Resident to enforce compliance with this Declaration, to enjoin non-compliance with
this Declaration or to obtain damages for non-compliance, all to the extent permitted at law or in
equity. Should any Resident violate any provision of this Declaration, such violation shall also
be considered and treated as a violation by the Owner of the Lot on which the Resident resides.
Likewise, should any Guest of any Owner or Resident violate any provision of this Declaration,
such violation shall also be considered and treated as a violation by the Resident and the Owner.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By LetA on 02/26/2022 11:24 AM

Enforcement of Restrictions and Obligations. The Association shall have the
right to enforce the obligations of any Owner or Resident under the Restrictions by assessing. a
reasonable penalty or [fine?] against such Owner or Resident and/or suspending the right of such
Owner to vote at meetings of the Association, after Notice and Hearing as set forth in the
Restrictions; [snip]
I say that a "reasonable penalty" includes suspending an owner from using the common areas.

However from the wording I think the Board is empowered to do only either the "reasonable penalty" or the fine and not both.

Granted one could argue that a reasonable penalty here is both suspension from using the common areas anda reasonable fine.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/26/2022 11:46 AM
Posted By LetA on 02/26/2022 11:24 AM

Enforcement of Restrictions and Obligations. The Association shall have the
right to enforce the obligations of any Owner or Resident under the Restrictions by assessing. a
reasonable penalty or [fine?] against such Owner or Resident and/or suspending the right of such
Owner to vote at meetings of the Association, after Notice and Hearing as set forth in the
Restrictions; [snip]
I say that a "reasonable penalty" includes suspending an owner from using the common areas.

However from the wording I think the Board is empowered to do only either the "reasonable penalty" or the fine and not both.

Granted one could argue that a reasonable penalty here is both suspension from using the common areas anda reasonable fine.


Over the years people have voiced their concerns about this individual and his behavior, honestly there has been no change. This is not the first time the switch cover to the emergency shutoff
has been ripped off the wall, and this is not the first time his drinking at the pool. This is a culmination of events that keep escalating. My feeling is we have a duty as a BOD to put the rest of the communities
safety and well being ahead of any one individual that threatens the community no matter how minuscule the action is.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
As long as the complaints from owners are well-documented and the customary due process (hearing et cetera) is granted, have at it.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So...why hasn't this jerk been called to hearing over and over and fined accordingly for breaking your rules against littering and damanging HOA property? Do you now have a board majority that will vote to ban him from the pool area? If not, why ask "how long" should you ban him is reasonable?

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/26/2022 1:16 PM
So...why hasn't this jerk been called to hearing over and over and fined accordingly for breaking your rules against littering and damanging HOA property? Do you now have a board majority that will vote to ban him from the pool area? If not, why ask "how long" should you ban him is reasonable?


I guess to answer that question is because past board members treated this person with kid gloves "special circumstances". I hope we have a board majority to ban this individual. I suppose we will
just to have our duck in a row, consult with our corporate council just to COA. I don't want to get into the special circumstances, but given this persons documented history, I get the feeling from at least one
fellow board member, enough is enough.

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