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ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
Posted:
All of our Association's money is located in one account at local credit union, and the balance is roughly equal to one year of assessments. My suggestion that the amount earmarked for the Reserve fund be transferred into a separate account that would require all three Board members to present themselves together to get to it was met with a clear lack of appreciation for the value of segregating that money from operational funds. Not going to happen.

Now I have learned that the two people who have access to our money also have debit cards issued with their names on them: our bookkeeper and our "property manager". The bookkeeper is a friend of the pm, and took the job as a side-gig. She is not a member of our Association. The pm is one of the original owners who used to also be on the Board, but is no longer. I am certain that neither has any kind of insurance or bonding that relates to the fact these are the only two people who can access our monies. And, the pm sends his monthly invoice for services directly to the bookkeeper, who then issues a check, completely by-passing any Board involvement.

Comments? What would you do if you joined your HOA's Board and discovered this?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I'm sure you know the answer to this, but in case you have to read it - ask questions, lots of them and make it clear you will not shut up until you get answers and the board take immediate steps to fix this. If you're on the board, you have to go a little rouge and tell the homeowners about this because the financial stability of the association is at a huge risk for fraud and embezzlement.

how long has this been going on? Where are the checks and balances to ensure every quarter that comes out of that account is going for association business? Who is reviewing the monthly account statements? Why isn't the reserves in a separate account (if you want both accounts at the credit union, that's fine). And so on.

If you get any answers, push for an audit by a CPA who has no ties to the community - let's see if the responses stand up to independent scrutiny. In the meantime, I would get rid of the debit cards and suspend these people from doing any work until the audit comes back clear and the board has established some internal checks and bala. The accountant and the credit union (and your association attorney and m water insurance carrier) can't help with drafting policies and protocols.

Any pushback, you may need to leave the board and shout some more. The homeowners need to respond to this by pressuring the board big time - and push for a recall if the board doesn't act. Good luck and fasten your seat belts, This could be rough.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
Shelia, had a very good response. Dealing with the board and the property management company will not be easy and will take a lot of time and thoughtful planning.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Some of this would concern me as well, although not all of it.

It's not unusual for a PM to be an authorized signer on association accounts if they're in charge of collecting assessments and paying bills.

A debit card is a different issue since it's basically the same as cash - I wouldn't even want board members to have them if they're not responsible for paying the bills. A credit card may be OK, but in general if someone incurs re-imbursable expenses, I prefer that they pay for these up front and have a check cut after the receipt is turned in. It boils down to how many eyes are on financial transactions and having an obvious audit trail.

As for insurance, the HOA itself should have something called fidelity insurance, also known as employee dishonesty insurance. The amount needed will be based on things like annual assessments, total funds currently under HOA control, and the like. In addition to fidelity insurance, your HOA will also be carrying things like liability, directors & officers, and possibly workers comp insurance. Your CC&Rs/Declaration should require this (mine do) - look for a section titled Insurance. The property management company should also be carrying insurance on their employees, but that's to protect them in case an employee does something wrong and the HOA sues the PM.

Yes, you should have separate accounts for reserve funds. For one thing there are different rules governing reserves (for example, they can't be used for operating expenses, and pooling the funds makes it too easy to ignore this). And as a practical matter, you probably won't need the reserve funds for a few years, which means they can be invested in CDs and earn a little interest - something you can't do with the operating funds.

I also agree with pushing for an audit. In fact your bylaws may require an annual audit (mine do).

General impression: Your financial processes and controls need improvement, and I'd expect a competent PM and board to understand these things.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Do you need a reserve fund set up? Know odd question but not all HOAs need reserve funds. Maybe a savings for emergencies but not too large.

What does your HOA have that would require one?

Former HOA President
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By ThomasP13 on 02/23/2022 6:57 PM
All of our Association's money is located in one account at local credit union, and the balance is roughly equal to one year of assessments. My suggestion that the amount earmarked for the Reserve fund be transferred into a separate account that would require all three Board members to present themselves together to get to it was met with a clear lack of appreciation for the value of segregating that money from operational funds. Not going to happen.
If you ever get traction on the subject of separating reserves into a separate bank account, then I think what the HOA should do is withdraw an amount that represents a "contingency fund" (a.k.a. "operating reserve," which is different from the main reserve account and is the "cushion" for fluctuating operating expenses during the year) and put this much smaller amount into another bank account.
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Let's be clear. The "PM" is not an independent company. He's a Member-Owner of the 20-unit Association who ran everything at first because he was one of the first handful of owners and the others just accepted it. As the building filled up, he continued to treat them as if they were renters in his building, and eventually the animosity got to the point that he didn't run for re-election to the Board (which has never functioned as a Board until now and my tenure as President) because it wouldn't have been even close to being rejected.

He has, however, retained his title of "Property Manager", receives a monthly retainer that's unclear what it pays for, and bills the Association monthly for line items that he does around the property. He has a debit card with his name on it tied to the Association's checking account. He receives a 1099. I am certain he has no bonding/insurance related to this side gig.

Do I trust him not to run off to Vegas? Yeah, but my personal trust, nor of any other person, shouldn't be the green light to have access like this to the Association's money.

I think our options are to either cancel the debit card or to have the Association take out insurance on his access.

We have a very long way to go to move our Association toward being properly run as a non-profit business and not as someone's personal property. And the politics are such that there's very little interest in making these changes because there hasn't been a problem (at least that I can see) yet and little interest in spending any time and effort on these things.

BTW - this all bubbled up because I found three Amazon charges via his debit card for January that no one claimed knowledge of. Our bank is treating them as fraudulent and putting the money back, and he's getting a new card. I'm the first person here to bother to review our banking transactions.
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/24/2022 6:01 AM
Do you need a reserve fund set up? Know odd question but not all HOAs need reserve funds. Maybe a savings for emergencies but not too large.

What does your HOA have that would require one?


We have a number of large projects planned in out years, and I've gotten a line item in our FY2022 budget, which was just approved on Monday, to have a Reserve study done so the yearly saving for those projects has a foundation.

Our By-Laws require our regular monthly assessments to be such that we don't use special assessments to pay for things, and for each year's budget to include, at a minimum, an amount that's 10% of the yearly operating budget.

I have yet to tackle the financial management of how much of our money is split between checking and the money market account on a monthly basis.

To the best of my knowledge, the only person right now who can transfer money is our bookkeeper, but she has only done that once, and left a large amount in checking, which is exposed to the debit cards.

I want as much as possible in a completely separate Reserve account because I don't want to wake up one day to find money has disappeared, no one knows why, and our insurance won't cover it because non-Board members had access.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Thomas

Have you approached your BOD with your concerns?
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
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Posted By JohnC46 on 02/24/2022 8:49 AM
Thomas

Have you approached your BOD with your concerns?


I sent the other director an email laying all of this out and stating that I'm not good with the current situation. That was before I really started working on what our options to fix it are. As always, no reply. He and the PM are both original owners and friends, and I'm pretty sure he shows the PM my emails.

The other person, who held the officer title of Treasurer, but did nothing, resigned earlier this week. She, like the other Board member, is also one of the originals, and as far as I could tell, took her cues from him. So, as a practical matter, I still have to get this other person to agree to any proposal.

What I have now is a PM with a debit card and a bookkeeper with single signing authority, full access to all our money, and a debit card. Neither is on our Board, neither is, to the best of knowledge, bonded/insured (beyond whatever personal liability they might have under their own homeowners), and the bookkeeper isn't a Member-Owner of our Association.

Do I trust them, here and now, today? Yes, I do. But as the CEO (which our By-Laws say I am), I do not think the current arrangement is an acceptable way to run our Association. I'm also not wild about paying for insurance for the two of them, although I imagine that's one of the options to address the risk that exists.

My preferred solution, as I've been thinking about this, is to cancel all debit cards and change the check-signing to require two sigs, the bookkeeper and the Association Treasurer, or, in the absence of that position being filled, the President. That solution, while adding a bit of cumbersomeness and delay in paying what invoices require physical checks, is free. And it returns some oversight to the Board, as well, which has never been done.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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In the vein of SheliaH's and CathyA3's comments:

Thomas, do your Bylaws per chance require an audit every so often? This is fairly common nationwide for HOA Bylaws.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Our bookkeeper was the signature on our checks. They cut the checks and then we had 2 officers sign each one. The bookkeeper was a member but regardless was paid to cut checks. So I don't see a problem there having the ability to sign off hand.

Plus did you want the "PM" to be an enemy? Doesn't make sense as your HOA is made up of you and your neighbors. So you going to complain that the PM is next door neighbors with the book keeper as a reason not to be trust worthy?


Former HOA President
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/24/2022 2:51 PM
In the vein of SheliaH's and CathyA3's comments:

Thomas, do your Bylaws per chance require an audit every so often? This is fairly common nationwide for HOA Bylaws.


They don't. But even if they did, it wouldn't put the money back should it turn up missing.

For instance, the example I provided in my email to the other Board member was, what if the fraudulent charges were larger, and they wouldn't refund the money because Amazon could prove delivery, and then we go to file a claim, and our D&O adjuster discovers the debit card used for them belongs to someone who isn't on the Board and refuses to pay? Do we just tell the rest of the Owners, gosh, that's tough, but please give us more money?

What happens if someone who's trustworthy today experiences a personal crisis that causes the access they have to appear to be a solution? With no check in place, and no insurance to cover the risk, is an acceptable response, well, we thought he/she was trustworthy, but who knew? Give us more money.?

There's always a balance to be struck, to be sure. We're not going require every Owner counter-sign every check. But right now, we're on the other end of the extreme, where there's nothing keeping the bookkeeper from writing herself a fat check and disappearing or the PM from buying whatever he wants outside of Board approval because checks don't have to be counter-signed and the PM, acting as a vendor, doesn't have to submit a receipt and get it approved to get the expense back, and there's no insurance in place to cover any of the risk exposure. The only thing currently protecting every penny the Association has on deposit is that the two people with access to it continue not to take advantage of the situation. And that assumes the fraudulent charges were genuinely fraudulent. Certainly, the current situation can't be considered best practices.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By ThomasP13 on 02/24/2022 4:28 PM
Posted By AugustinD on 02/24/2022 2:51 PM
In the vein of SheliaH's and CathyA3's comments:

Thomas, do your Bylaws per chance require an audit every so often? This is fairly common nationwide for HOA Bylaws.


They don't. But even if they did, it wouldn't put the money back should it turn up missing.
I had in mind how those who do financial reviews/audits/et cetera often have a list of recommendations, such as two people must sign checks over a certain amount.

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